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Ignition Barrel - Sticking

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#1 · (Edited)
Ignition Barrel Sticking - DIY Fix

Edit: See post 20 for instructions


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Hi Guys,

The ignition barrel on my GSXR K1 1000 is starting to get a little 'rough' to insert the key into
I think this is down to the 'shield' on the barrel not closing fully and covering the barrel when the key is removed, thereby letting dirt get into the barrel

Is there anyway I can get the shield/cover working smoothly again to ensure the barrel is covered when the key is removed?


 
#6 ·
Update:

I went to the local locksmith but they didn't have any graphite powder. The guy in the shop said not to use graphite as the lock would get gunked up if the bike gets wet/washed. He told me to blast it with wd40 instead.

I tried another locksmith and they said the same thing about the graphite getting gunked up. They told me wd40 shouldn't be used in locks and recommended GT85 (a multipurpose lubricant and water displacer with ptfe) instead.

Should I use the GT85 I bought from them, or should I keep that for other jobs and buy some graphite powder online?
 
#7 ·
I have a K8 750 and when I take out the key, the "shield" does cover the barrel. It looks like one side is sticking. I would think that the GT 85 will be fine as it states:

"Drives out moisture from electrical systems"


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I've used electrical cleaner similar to the GT85.
 
#9 ·
...It looks like one side is sticking...
Agreed.
I'm uncertain if it's just jammed on itself or if there's something caught in there which is stopping it from closing fully

Hopefully the GT85 will free it up.


I always was under the impression that the shield, assuming you mean the slotted, unilaterally dimpled plate, freely rotating over the lock barrel, was an anti-theft device, meant to prevent drilling out the lock, by freewheeling (if that is the correct term for "freely rotating") along with the drill bit. That's my own interpretation though, prompted by my initial assumption that my lock was just broken, after discovering the existence of this freely rotating plate, soon after getting my bike.
I think you're right about the 'plate' being an anti-theft device, but that's not the bit I'm having problems with

If you have a look at my photos you'll notice the key-slot in the second photograph is covered over.
There's a flap of metal underneath the metal plate/disc which closes the key-slot when the key is removed.....A bit like a letterbox flap some people have in their front door at home.

In the first photograph you'll notice the shield/flap remains partially retracted with the key removed

The shield/flap moves out of the way when I insert the key, and the lock is working fine now, but that shield/flap only closes partway when I remove the key - That's what i'm trying to fix
 
#8 ·
I always was under the impression that the shield, assuming you mean the slotted, unilaterally dimpled plate, freely rotating over the lock barrel, was an anti-theft device, meant to prevent drilling out the lock, by freewheeling (if that is the correct term for "freely rotating") along with the drill bit. That's my own interpretation though, prompted by my initial assumption that my lock was just broken, after discovering the existence of this freely rotating plate, soon after getting my bike.
 
#10 ·
I refer to it as a window or a door but, whatever you call it, it's important that it fully close. Otherwise crap will slowly accumulate inside until the lock won't turn. It's primary purpose is to protect the keyway but they discovered that a minor anti-theft feature can be achieved with a rotating design. I'm aware of the auxiliary alarm lock on old Corvettes where the lock was oriented horizontally. When first introduced, some bean counter thought they could save a penny by using a lock with no window. One year later the design was changed to one with a window because they were notorious for jamming. The issue will be much worse for a vertically oriented lock.

On later years the lock can be disassembled to permit flushing with WD40. But yours may not come apart. I suggest that you consider removing yours so that you can flush it while held upside down.

P.S. WD40 will evaporate leaving nothing behind. I'm a tad uncomfortable with GT85. Spray it on something and see how much residue is left and if it fully drys. I wouldn't use it if it doesn't dry.
 
#13 · (Edited)
...On later years the lock can be disassembled to permit flushing with WD40. But yours may not come apart. I suggest that you consider removing yours so that you can flush it while held upside down...
Do I need to remove any other parts if I end up having to remove the barrel, or is it just the security bolts holding the lock in place?



DO NOT USE GRAPHITE!! Blast it out with wd-40, clean it up, then lubricate with a silcone based lubricant. Graphite destroys locks.
Nowhere round here seems to sell graphite now, saying it gunks up the locks when people spray them with an aerosol later on.
I've sprayed the lock and it seems to be much smoother, but I haven't figured out that window/flap thing yet



...I don't think I've ever seen such a flap on my lock...Perhaps mine is jammed also.

Are you sure that what you're interpreting as a partially extended flap, isn't just part of the keyway seen behind the upper plate, that has rotated partly out of alignment when you removed the key?
I've been trying to find pictures of other peoples bikes to see if there actually is a problem with my lock. They all seem to have the flap completely extended at all times, so I think it could be an issue with the lock design (theres being fully exposed, and mine being partially exposed).....Obviously I could be wrong so I thought I'd ask on forum to see if anybody knew for sure
 
#14 ·
"Do I need to remove any other parts if I end up having to remove the barrel, or is it just the security bolts holding the lock in place?"

That's all it was on my K6. Your K1 should be very similar, if not identical. But the screws have high strength thread-lock on them so it takes some oomph to break them loose. Make sure that the torx bit properly engages the screw. As previously said, I don't know if your switch disassembles. But check if a plate on the bottom of the switch is held in place by screws. You might have a clear path down the keyway if it comes off. Be careful if it does.

"slides to the side rather than hinges away"

There was a time when I knew what the mechanism was but I've forgotten. I think that there are little springs but the design details could vary. One spring would be associated with a window that rotates rather than slides. But it definitely is supposed to fully cover the keyway when the key is removed.

I've never had to use graphite but was surprised at the negative reaction here to what I thought was a standard method. Don't know about destroying locks but I can see where it would lead to things being gunked up if used in conjunction with a grease, etc.
 
#16 ·
Some searching indicates that the correct term is "shutter". They've been around forever but I'd never seen the rotating/anti-theft type till I bought my K6. Possibly there are some patents relating to that feature from around that time. But a lot of clever people have been thinking about such things for a long time, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's an old idea.

Here's a 1955 patent that's relevant. Note that it's discussed in terms of keeping dust, etc. out of the lock. It references things in the early 1900's.
 
#17 ·
Excellent info! Thanks Guys!

I found a photograph showing a bike with the shutter intact





It seems the locks used by Suzuki might be prone to the shutter becoming stuck - That's what everyone appears to be reporting at least.
I'll see if I can remove the lock and take it apart for inspection

I've managed to get the LHS security screw turning a little, but I'm having trouble accessing the RHS screw. I'm using a socket and a ratchet at the moment with the handlebars turned to try and make some room. Is that the best way to access the security screws?