[Moto_Joe]

Meaning it is not installed properly and you are getting incomplete shifts and likely over time doing trans damage. If recommend you moving it and putting the shidpft shaft to arm alignment as close to perpendicular as possible to limit potential shift fork damage as well as gear engagement dog wear.

 

[MacBayne]

Meaning it is not installed properly and you are getting incomplete shifts and likely over time doing trans damage. If recommend you moving it and putting the shidpft shaft to arm alignment as close to perpendicular as possible to limit potential shift fork damage as well as gear engagement dog wear.

my arm is one position off from 90. i will take your recommendations under advisement.

 

[Moto_Joe]

No sweat off my balls. Not my bike lol

When the arm does not make the shift completely, you rely on a small detent spring and shift drum inertia to complete the shift for you. It is not designed to do so. It causes extra friction and lateral strain on shift forks and drag on the engagement dogs of the trans gears. Those stresses combined wear the forks and dogs and lead to trans slipping over time, starting first with notchy and clunky shifts as well as missed shifts and false neutrals.

You do as you wish, but I'm saying to others reading it is not a good idea

 

[MacBayne]

No sweat off my balls. Not my bike lol

When the arm does not make the shift completely, you rely on a small detent spring and shift drum inertia to complete the shift for you. It is not designed to do so. It causes extra friction and lateral strain on shift forks and drag on the engagement dogs of the trans gears. Those stresses combined wear the forks and dogs and lead to trans slipping over time, starting first with notchy and clunky shifts as well as missed shifts and false neutrals.

You do as you wish, but I'm saying to others reading it is not a good idea

yeah if the arm is completely out of whack, yes. if you press too hard on the shifter often, no matter what the angle, yes.

having the shift arm one notch out of pure 90 is NBD. it is where i get the best feel and consistent performance for me. there is no danger of missed shifts. infact, when i have it at 90, i miss shifts. just that one notch difference reduced the lever action at my shift lever enough where i completely disengage my last shift so that the next one happens without incident. before you chime in with "adjust the rod," i did. i used that to adjust shifter height, but that one notch reduced shifter travel and adds no additional stress to the system. in fact, the shifter probably adds torque at a better angle on upshifts because the shift arm moves. if you start at 90, once you move the lever you are no longer at 90, so your force is transmitted at a different angle.

 

[Moto_Joe]

I, as well as the engineers at Suzuki, disagree. If it were better, it would come set to some other arbitrary angle

At 90, you get a full sweep both directions. Off 90 you get more sweep one way than the other, so one or the other shift will suffer

 

[MacBayne]

I, as well as the engineers at Suzuki, disagree. If it were better, it would come set to some other arbitrary angle

At 90, you get a full sweep both directions. Off 90 you get more sweep one way than the other, so one or the other shift will suffer

i have never seen evidence that the suzuki engineers disagree. there is no documentation that says that shift arm must be perpendicular to rotation.

 

[Moto_Joe]

It as well as the clutch iirc have indexing alignment marks where it is supposed to be. Said marks have it in a pretty specific place for a reason, and those reasons are as I've stated.

Again, do as you wish. Your bike. But know that you are likey to do damage over time as the shifts are not being made completely as designed. It is adding stress to parts not designed to finish your shift for you because you can't truly shift properly with it the way it is adjusted

 

[Travis V]

The manual does state that you should get it as close to 90 as possible.

 

[MacBayne]

It as well as the clutch iirc have indexing alignment marks where it is supposed to be. Said marks have it in a pretty specific place for a reason, and those reasons are as I've stated.

Again, do as you wish. Your bike. But know that you are likey to do damage over time as the shifts are not being made completely as designed. It is adding stress to parts not designed to finish your shift for you because you can't truly shift properly with it the way it is adjusted

the rotation was never restricted, the shifts were never incomplete, nor have i ever seen any index marks to indicate a hard and fast position.

The manual does state that you should get it as close to 90 as possible.

i sit corrected. i lost my owners manual and i just use the shop manual. only thing i ever found was vertical distance between shifter knob and peg.

this will be corrected once the quickshifter arrives.

 

[xaznperswaesonx]

Good info .. Gonna go back and reheck mines now too.

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