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Gears jumping in and out, again...

1.9K views 3 replies 3 participants last post by  MĂĄrten Larsson  
#1 ·
Hi, this is my first post here but have tried to search the forum but there was simply too many threads, I'd have to read all week to finish all.

My problem began with my old engine, a GSX-R 750 -91 with 55000km on it. My gears started jumping in and out of gears very fast when I gave full throttle. At first it was only the first gear but since I didn't fix it the problem came earlier in the revs and in more and more gears. In the end I could provoke it even in fourth gear (full in 9-10krpm)!

Last spring I changed all gears on the axis where 1st-4th gears are placed and also gear forks. This didn't solve my problem so I also switched the cam for gear shifting and the cam stopper and the spring there. This didn't help either so I switched the "gear shift cam driven" (sorry for not knowing the correct english terms, I'm qouting the names from the microfische) and the parts there. Still not resolving the issue!!! :cursing

What I did next was replacing the entire engine! Yesterday I managed to make the new engine (42000km) do exactly the same thing (on first gear, 8000rpm, full throttle). :cursing Since all my parts in the old engine probably still is in very good condition (I never ran the bike more than 500-750km after first fix and at that point it was MUCH harder to make it jump in and out of gears and only doing so in first) I'm thinking of undercutting 1st and 2nd, putting shims to tighten it up and putting all of my new parts into the new engine (I abused the old one when I was repairing it leading to 3 helicoils in the exhaust, M10!!).

Since I already know what I want to do I just want to know if there could be some more issues I haven't thought of yet. Like why the gears continued to pop in and out on my old engine dispite all the parts being new........ Since the only parts I didn't change was the driveshafts, the bearings (the one on the outgoing driveshaft was replaced earlier so that one's relatively new) and crankcase the issue must be somewhere here, right?!

Much text I know but hopefully someone have the energy to read it and maybe help me get my gixxer working again. I could hardly sleep last night because of this.....
 
#2 ·
Did you replace the chain and both sprockets? If it is jumping on the sprockets then you will feel pretty silly. If it isn't that.....did you replace both gears that mesh (input and output) of all the ones that jump with new gears? You said that you replaced the forks and drum, so that is good. When you assembled it did you spin it with the cases apart and look to see that the forks are riding in the center of the gears that they operate? Don't know what else to suggest. Good luck. Troy341
 
#4 · (Edited)
Nope, haven't changed chain and sprockets but since the problem almost ceased when I changed the parts in my transmission that seems higly unlikely to be my issue!

Since I also changed my forks at the same time as all the gears numbered 19, 35, 32 , 27, 36 and 23 in this picture that probably answers acmpinoobs question. (Sorry for big image)
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Could it be the shims/washers in my old gearbox that are so worn that they are not keeping the correct distances? I'm going to make it a bit tighter with new shims as well since I was told this would improve even more.
 
#3 ·
While undercutting your gears does sound like a smart move, I believe the problem may lie in bent shift forks. Those are the forks that move the gears when the gear shift drum spins. If one of those were bent, it would make the bike jump in and out of gear. . .