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Just recently got my first gsxr - k6 750 🤩
Opened up the airbox and I find a bunch of this fine white sand like stuff next to these valves and filter. Kinda spooked me out - I’m going to vacuum it up tomorrow but just have to ask if anyone knows what this might be from?
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Well, considering that you bought it used, who knows. For all we know the airbox could be warped and not fitting back together right, they could have been running no air filter, they used a crappy airfilter, they installed the airfilter improperly, etc.

So, after you clean that up you need to make sure that there are no random lines disconnected from the airbox and just sucking in unfiltered air, you should make sure that the airbox fits together properly, and you should make sure it doesn't have some junk filter or some race filter.
 
If it was on the air inlet side of the filter I say it came in from the outside and was associated with something like riding behind someone who was throwing road grit or beach sand into the air. But I gather that it's on the throttle body side. It looks like glassbeading media. You might be able to find something that was recently beaded. Walnut shell media can pass through an engine without doing much damage but glass beads are not good.
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
change your oil, cut the filter in half remove paper see if any is visible in the filter media..
Ok I will probably do that. So if it is visible there, what would you suggest I do?
The sand inside consistent throughout - and no other crap is in the airbox so I think it’s coming from somewhere inside as opposed to getting caught in there through the intake.
What kind of risks would be associated with having this sand in the throttle body?
I appreciate the responses 🙏
 
Also remove the air filter, turn it upside down, tap it, and check if any sand/beads fall out. Glass beads are small spheres. You should be able to see that if you have a suitable magnifier. The OEM filter has a perforated steel screen. Is yours by some other manufacturer? Sand can really mess up the piston/rings/bore fit. It's hard to tell but there seem to be faint hints of it on the throttle shaft & blades. I'd recommend removing and inspecting the throttle body if any is actually present.
 
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Also remove the air filter, turn it upside down, tap it, and check if any sand/beads fall out. Glass beads are small spheres. You should be able to see that if you have a suitable magnifier. The OEM filter has a perforated steel screen. Is yours by some other manufacturer? Sand can really mess up the piston/rings/bore fit. It's hard to tell but there seem to be faint hints of it on the throttle shaft & blades. I'd recommend removing and inspecting the throttle body if any is actually present.
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thanks BillV
First pic is of the sand/glass. Still not really sure what exactly it is but I’m gonna try to clean the throttle body regardless.
The second two pics are of me sticking a screwdriver through the holes on each side to loosen the airbox for removal (according to service manual)…except… I don’t see the screws?
Im not super mechanically inclined but trying to learn here. Any advice how to get this airbox off?
 
That looks like sand rather than beads, though it's also used as a more aggressive blasting media.

There are four clamps that attach the airbox to the top of the throttle body. You can see two of them and their clamping screws in the third pic in #7 above. You access them directly, i.e. not through the holes in the frame. The wiring and hoses can make it hard to access the screws. It's possible to rotate the clamps to make later access easier. The airbox can be pulled off the throttle body once the clamps are loose (may stick if it's been on for a while).

There are four black "pipes" that sit on top of the cylinder heads. The throttle body is attached to the pipes by two ganged clamps:
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You should be able to see the aluminum spacer between the halves of the clamp. It will be near the bottom of the throttle body and I think I can see one in the second pic of your #7 post above. The screwdriver in that pic is way too high. I'd expect the hole in the frame to line up with the clamp screw and don't know why yours doesn't. Your screwdriver is about two inches too high. Might there be a lower access hole? Except for being ganged, the clamps are very similar to the unganged clamps that attach the airbox to the top of the throttle body. All clamp screws have a head with a Phillips drive.

I don't know about your 750 but I rotated the inner airbox clamps on my K6 1000 so that the screws are ahead of the throttle body instead of behind it. That made them easier to access, though I had to make a "spacer" that sits between the screw ends to keep them from rotating when I try to tighten them. Suzuki switched to ganged airbox clamps in K7.

Why is there no perforated plate over the air filter element in the pics in your first post but a plate is present in your #7 post pics?
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
Why is there no perforated plate over the air filter element in the pics in your first post but a plate is present in your #7 post pics?
Good eye BillV 👀
I accidentally put it in upside down when I took the first set of pictures.
Seems like you're right about the clamps based off the pictures. I'll check it out and continue trying to remove the throttle body after work today. I have a grease monkey buddy coming over tonight as well so I'll see what he says.
Thanks for the advice! Although its kindof a pain in the ass to do all this at the same time its like therapy. Been loving learning more about how the machine works!
 
the risk is it runs through your TB's and through the combustion chamber, scoring so forth, some could get in crankcase as well, best to flush it out if you see any signs of it while draining oil and inspecting filter, a good engine flush.. enough of it could wear down the nikasil coating on the cylinder, don't want that..

what's the history of the bike where did it come from? what are the chances the bike went down in a sandy area? I went down in death valley like a 2 dollar whoore, the turn had a perfect runoff of light pumice and sand, very nice... however I was picking sand and rocks out for years.. seemed every time I went to service something I found evidence of this incident, and I did find it up in my air box as well however the light coating of oil inside the box trapped it, or most of it some may have gotten through? I just cleaned the box well and went with it, no internal damage at all I was aware of, good compression ran like a raped ape..

I suspect the sand was thrown up by the front tire on the lowside engine revving fairly high sucked a bunch in then the bouncing around dislodged the air filter momentarily and that's how the sand got in, it's the only place I ever rode where there was sand?

that's a very glassy sand where could that have came from? white sand? do they do the roads where the bike came form with white sand? is it from the southwest where the bike may have been caught in a sand storm? very clean sand I'd rule out winter road sand, usually sand from winter ice is dirty and nasty.. this looks more like beach sand or a wind storm sand say around white sands area? bike from new mexico by any chance?

whats the filter look like? there is a good chance this is old sand debris from a former crash of some sort or a sand storm and when they removed the clogged up filter some fell off and it wasn't cleaned up? sabotage?

or as someone mentioned already someone ran the bike without a filter or one with holes in it? might have to call the pink panther for this one... in any event check out what ya can, oil, maybe filter the oil for giggles, clean it up and go with it, if you are real worried you can do a compression test and or a borescope and inspect the walls what not, that sand should get powdered up fast enough if it is indeed sand, but you really don't want it anywhere near the intake... if it runs fine clean it up call it a day.. change fluids shake out air filter so forth.. suck it out from the other side to pull out sand what not..

oh and suck it out of the TB's with a vacuum cleaner I can see sand sitting on the butterfly valves.. tape up a long fat straw on your vacuum cleaner hose and get as much out as possible, then rinse with a cleaner.. don't want the sand doing any sort of mechanical blocking or whatever, holding a butterfly valve open more on idle what not get it all cleaned up real good..

if you look at the second pic you posted the TB closest to you the brass butterfly has sand all over it as does the TB and the rubber sand can hold the butterfly open and throw your TB sync out of whack.. crush some of that sand with a hammer does it break down easily?
 
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the risk is it runs through your TB's and through the combustion chamber, scoring so forth, some could get in crankcase as well, best to flush it out if you see any signs of it while draining oil and inspecting filter, a good engine flush.. enough of it could wear down the nikasil coating on the cylinder, don't want that..

what's the history of the bike where did it come from? what are the chances the bike went down in a sandy area? I went down in death valley like a 2 dollar whoore, the turn had a perfect runoff of light pumice and sand, very nice... however I was picking sand and rocks out for years.. seemed every time I went to service something I found evidence of this incident, and I did find it up in my air box as well however the light coating of oil inside the box trapped it, or most of it some may have gotten through? I just cleaned the box well and went with it, no internal damage at all I was aware of, good compression ran like a raped ape..

I suspect the sand was thrown up by the front tire on the lowside engine revving fairly high sucked a bunch in then the bouncing around dislodged the air filter momentarily and that's how the sand got in, it's the only place I ever rode where there was sand?

that's a very glassy sand where could that have came from? white sand? do they do the roads where the bike came form with white sand? is it from the southwest where the bike may have been caught in a sand storm? very clean sand I'd rule out winter road sand, usually sand from winter ice is dirty and nasty.. this looks more like beach sand or a wind storm sand say around white sands area? bike from new mexico by any chance?

whats the filter look like? there is a good chance this is old sand debris from a former crash of some sort or a sand storm and when they removed the clogged up filter some fell off and it wasn't cleaned up? sabotage?

or as someone mentioned already someone ran the bike without a filter or one with holes in it? might have to call the pink panther for this one... in any event check out what ya can, oil, maybe filter the oil for giggles, clean it up and go with it, if you are real worried you can do a compression test and or a borescope and inspect the walls what not, that sand should get powdered up fast enough if it is indeed sand, but you really don't want it anywhere near the intake... if it runs fine clean it up call it a day.. change fluids shake out air filter so forth.. suck it out from the other side to pull out sand what not..

oh and suck it out of the TB's with a vacuum cleaner I can see sand sitting on the butterfly valves.. tape up a long fat straw on your vacuum cleaner hose and get as much out as possible, then rinse with a cleaner.. don't want the sand doing any sort of mechanical blocking or whatever, holding a butterfly valve open more on idle what not get it all cleaned up real good..

if you look at the second pic you posted the TB closest to you the brass butterfly has sand all over it as does the TB and the rubber sand can hold the butterfly open and throw your TB sync out of whack.. crush some of that sand with a hammer does it break down easily?
not sure about the history of the bike. I bought it from a guy who owned it for about 3 years but didn’t use it much. He told me he only dropped it once, which seems true given the very minor scuffing on the fairings. I doubt sabotage, I bought it from a random guy on Facebook marketplace. Air filter looks almost brand new!
I’m thinking I would like to clean the throttle body more thoroughly than just vacuuming up what I’ve found. I figure it should be good for the bike anyway. Any suggestions for what to use or how to clean? Service manual says carb cleaner. I don’t imagine it’s necessary to disassemble the throttle body any more for cleaning after pulling it out?
My next reply will contain pictures of my progress and lo and behold…more work :)
 
Discussion starter · #14 ·
Success!!
After some tinkering I successfully removed the airbox and throttle body. Interestingly enough my airbox did not have the ganged clamps which I believe it came with from the factory. That’s what I get for buying a used modded 2006 bike 😂


Throttle body removal was pretty simple after that.
now, I have attached pictures of what I found below the throttle body.

The plungers and valves (not sure if I’m using correct terminology here) seem to be pretty gunked up. I’m now wondering how I can clean them, and what my options would be for flushing(?) whatever is below them to try to clear out more debris down there.

I’m going to order oil and a new filter today so I could check out the existing filter and see if there’s sand/glass caught in there.

overall just asking for advice on what to do next.As always, thanks so much for the help.
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Strange stuff there. All I can tell you is to clean the bejesus out of it.

The parts fiche indicates the the 750 airbox clamps weren't ganged until K7. The 1000 was the same. You could get some K7 clamps to make things easier. On the 1000 the ganged clamps are installed with the screws located ahead of the throttle body, which greatly simplifies accessing them:
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The 750 parts fiche diagram shows the screws remaining behind the throttle body in K7. I don't know if there's something that makes it necessary.

My best guess is that accessing the airbox clamps wasn't that hard when there were four injectors. But the switch to eight injectors made it significantly harder and it took Suzuki a couple years to become aware of the problem and add a fix.
 
I'm just wondering how all that got past the filter...... I started to think maybe the crank case vent, but I think even it goes into the airbox pre-filter.
 
^It looked like the media used for glass beading, as if the previous owner had beaded something to clean it up. But glass beading media is literally small glass spheres and his pic in #7 indicates something else. We've ruled out salt and sugar. I'm now wondering if it's white aluminum oxide media:
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It's more aggressive than glass beads and is used to prepare metal surfaces for painting. It has no business here and I have no idea where it originated.
 
I get what it could be.... but how it got past the filter is what I'm wondering. I saw some knucklehead actually blast his intake screens, so blast media wouldn't be a surprise. Hell, I've found all kinds of weird shit in my airbox. But NEVER on the "clean side".
 
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