Ok, so NEWBIE ALERT

aKillEase · May 16, 2011

Pro-Lux-Racing said:
Waite a minute.... What the hell were you doing taking a corner with the clutch in? WTF?

I have to be honest, I do this... Now obviously I'm a noob to, so for mine and the OP's benefit could you (without to much salt, lol) explain why this is wrong and the proper technique.

I do it because it makes me feel more comfortable going into the turn, then about 3/4 of the way out of the turn I realease the clutch and roll onto the throttle.

Rin310 · May 16, 2011

I was being an ignorant newbie. Given, both accidents were before school and track days, and in my first 1000 miles as a rider.

As guy above me asked, exactly why shouldn't you do it? Technically speaking. I know not to, just not why...

oldgixxer · May 16, 2011

aKillEase said:
I have to be honest, I do this... Now obviously I'm a noob to, so for mine and the OP's benefit could you (without to much salt, lol) explain why this is wrong and the proper technique.

I do it because it makes me feel more comfortable going into the turn, then about 3/4 of the way out of the turn I release the clutch and roll onto the throttle.

There are a number of reasons;most importantly when you release the clutch lever 3/4 thru the turn&roll onto the throttle like you said you do you can easily upset the rear tire trying to match engine speed/road speed.
The faster you are going the easier it would be to fuck up&cause the tire to lock up&slide if you didn't match engine speed correctly. Think about doing this going thru a 140mph corner@ 12,000 rpm..you pull the clutch in&chop the throttle the revs drop instantly..now how are you going to anticipate what rpm is needed as you exit the turn&roll the throttle on? Too much throttle: tire spins&crash. Too little rpm: tire locks up&crash.
Proper technique is to just gently roll off the throttle if you feel you need to thru the turn&gently roll it back on thru the exit..or just keep the throttle pinned thru the turn&hang the fuck on:biggrin

BTW,if you going VERY slow in 1st gear(like maneuvering thru a parking lot,making a u-turn etc)then by all means pull the clutch in to help you keep control of the bike..but once your up to speed&driving at a normal pace do not continue this technique...

Im exhausted&tried to convey my thoughts best I could&it may or may not have come accross in the most understandable manner

aKillEase · May 16, 2011

oldgixxer said:
There are a number of reasons;most importantly when you release the clutch lever 3/4 thru the turn&roll onto the throttle like you said you do you can easily upset the rear tire trying to match engine speed/road speed.
The faster you are going the easier it would be to fuck up&cause the tire to lock up&slide if you didn't match engine speed correctly. Think about doing this going thru a 140mph corner@ 12,000 rpm..you pull the clutch in&chop the throttle the revs drop instantly..now how are you going to anticipate what rpm is needed as you exit the turn&roll the throttle on? Too much throttle: tire spins&crash. Too little rpm: tire locks up&crash.
Proper technique is to just gently roll off the throttle if you feel you need to thru the turn&gently roll it back on thru the exit..or just keep the throttle pinned thru the turn&hang the fuck on:biggrin

That makes sense I have felt the bike jerk from not matching the revs coming out of a turn, luckily I wasnt going to fast... Good to know

oldgixxer · May 16, 2011

yeah man,try&break that habit asap

Pro-Lux-Racing · May 16, 2011

Because you need the rpm's up when you are in a corner. This is what keeps the bike planted. If you don't, then the bike is "free wheeling"
There is no engine rpm for the bike to hold in the corner.

It would be like taking a corner in a manual shift car in 5th gear going fast. The car is not going to hold the road.

What you need to do, is on your approach to your corner, get into the proper gear, do your breaking prior to entering the corner, keep steady throttle, or increase if you need to (but smoothly) as you start to come out of the corner, then increase yout speed.
But do not pull in the clutch!!

I hope I explained it good for you guys.

also, you are better off being higher in your revs than too low.

MacBayne · May 16, 2011

Ironhead401 said:
Are you telling me a 250cc sport bike or other non "R" sport bikes have the same torque as a 750cc "R" bike? You don't agree that throttle control is less forgiving on a supersport? I also said nothing about a crusier.

a 250? no they do not. but the fact of the matter is that you are arguing that the torque is a problem. my point was that there are a LOT of bikes whose powercurve is such that the low-end revs produce more power output than an "r" bike does. my 750 makes peak power around 14000 rpm. at that engine speed i am breaking every speed limit in north america in first gear. i am not arguing that "r" bikes are the same as every other one, but what i am saying is that 127 bhp is a number on a spec sheet. what is your throttle response at 4000 rpm? a lot less than an SV in the heart of its power. every motorcycle is dangerous to learn on in the wrong mindset and especially in panic situations. yes a racing motorcycle has the potential to contribute to situations of crashiness (i know it is not a word) but rider mindset and practice is the greatest factor.

MacBayne · May 16, 2011

Pro-Lux-Racing said:
Because you need the rpm's up when you are in a corner. This is what keeps the bike planted. If you don't, then the bike is "free wheeling"
There is no engine rpm for the bike to hold in the corner.

It would be like taking a corner in a manual shift car in 5th gear going fast. The car is not going to hold the road.

What you need to do, is on your approach to your corner, get into the proper gear, do your breaking prior to entering the corner, keep steady throttle, or increase if you need to (but smoothly) as you start to come out of the corner, then increase yout speed.
But do not pull in the clutch!!

I hope I explained it good for you guys.

also, you are better off being higher in your revs than too low.

delivering power to your wheels also adds stability and evens weight bias

aKillEase · May 16, 2011

Cool thanx for the advice fella's, it sux to ask questions like this but I'd rather risk looking like an idiot asking a noob question than looking like an idot sliding down the road from a noob mistake.

Ironhead401 · May 16, 2011

MacBayne said:
a 250? no they do not. but the fact of the matter is that you are arguing that the torque is a problem. my point was that there are a LOT of bikes whose powercurve is such that the low-end revs produce more power output than an "r" bike does. my 750 makes peak power around 14000 rpm. at that engine speed i am breaking every speed limit in north america. i am not arguing that "r" bikes are the same as every other one, but what i am saying is that 127 bhp is a number on a spec sheet. what is your throttle response at 4000 rpm? a lot less than an SV in the heart of its power. every motorcycle is dangerous to learn on in the wrong mindset and especially in panic situations. yes a racing motorcycle has the potential to contribute to situations of crashiness (i know it is not a word) but rider mindset and practice is the greatest factor.

I understand what you are saying. I am arguing that torque can be a problem in less experienced hands. This was also before I knew the op coasted through the turn. But my post wasn't laughable it was true especially since I wasn't talking at all about crusiers.

aKillEase · May 16, 2011

And now back to our original program... :biggrin

Rin310 · May 16, 2011

The fact that I'm a noob, and quite bored, so I'm pulling the plastics off my bike for the hell of it...? Yes, i know I can mess it up, but I've got buddies who can fix it. I think ill be fine so long as I don't pull if engine cover and other parts.

Bad habit.... I get bored and start pulling my bike apart...

Samantha750 · May 16, 2011

aKillEase said:
@samantha thanx for the popcorn vids I'll take the deer & ummm, gotta go with Michael Jackson

Grab all of them, they come in handy.

MacBayne · May 16, 2011

Ironhead401 said:
I understand what you are saying. I am arguing that torque can be a problem in less experienced hands. This was also before I knew the op coasted through the turn. But my post wasn't laughable it was true especially since I wasn't talking at all about crusiers.

i know your point was that gixxers are powerful and it causes problems. i guess it is just a pet peeve of mine when people always say "well they have XXX horsepower..." horsepower, and torque are used to quantify power output, but they contribute to the forces experienced on a motorcycle differently. our bikes are not designed for low-end output and there are plenty of bikes that are, and low-end output can be a problem more than 100 hp at 80 mph. our bikes make low torque but high power because of the rpms they achieve.

MacBayne · May 16, 2011

Rin310 said:
The fact that I'm a noob, and quite bored, so I'm pulling the plastics off my bike for the hell of it...? Yes, i know I can mess it up, but I've got buddies who can fix it. I think ill be fine so long as I don't pull if engine cover and other parts.

Bad habit.... I get bored and start pulling my bike apart...

go for it dude. just take it slow and don't bite off more than you can chew! you can learn the easy way or hard way and to me, both are fun, so take 'er slow and you still have GDC to ask questions when you are in a bind

Rin310 · May 16, 2011

Truth be told I've done it before, all except the front fairing. Well, let's just say I took a good 30 mins figuring out that if I pull the front mounting bracket off... It all comes off and makes it easier access to pull off the front fairings. Although I didn't break anything....that's a plus.

. Coulda saved some trouble.

And I realised a dealership I had fix my bike after me first wreck didn't put all my screws back in. Good thing I dropped that shop a long time ago. Also... The bike can run without the speedo or any of the front electronics. And that was easy to unplug. Just one big plug and one small one attached to it.

Maybe I shoulda done a teardown thread instead...

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