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BTW...don't even bother comparing the RSV to a modern liter bike. It's more appropriate to compare it to the Gixxer 750, as the mags did all the time several years ago.

If I remember correctly, I think it was back in 2001 where they had a Mille that couldn't catch a 750 on any strech of a racetrack.

Of course this is useless info for street duty machine though.
 
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You are correct of the RSV1000R Factory being at 17,9. With the RSV1000R being only 13,9 is the difference in parts that big of a deal get the Factory over the regular RSVR? Again i am aware of the price as well as the power being somewhat linear or damn near flat. The only gripes i have would have been the power curve feeling the way it does. But again using this bike on the streets and having the looks that it has with the usability of the V engine seems rather worth while to obtain. I am not really into Top High speeds or how long i can stay at those high speeds (been there done that). I am going to ride my 600 for another year or 2 (which will give me 3-4 years experience on my 600) In the mean time i am squeezing every ounce of experience i can out of this bike before moving up in the ranks.

But in the end i know everyone is recommending the Factory, except the Factory Price of 17,9 would make anyone turn away. But the RSV1000R non factory = 13,9 price tag seems a bit more justifiable. Are the bells and whistles really necessary when looking into this particular bike?
 
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Mate I'm seriously thinking about getting another bike, if I do, I'm dead set on the RSV1000R. After riding an SP-1, I love the V-Twins and that'd have to be the way to go for me.

I see you found your way to this thread from the one you started about getting a new bike. If you get this bike you better post some pics. :punk
 
One of them took me out in teh Bowl at Talladega about a year ago so they suck.


:lol
 
The RSV1000R Factory is $17,999, that's about $6500 more than a new GSXR-1000, so throw a set of Ohlins forks ($2000), Ohlins shock ($1500), Brembo master cylinder and forged monoblock calipers ($1250).....leaving you another $1750 to throw at whatever you please (full system and custom map perhaps). The OZ rims and carbon fiber bits still don't have the bike weighing less than a GSXR (about 30-40 lbs heavier wet).

I'm interested to see what the new Aprilia RSV4 will bring to the table, but I'm pretty sure cost effectiveness won't be one of them.

it seems that you only look at the numbers. how many HP, how fast 0-60, how fast can I go the the lowest $.


for the rest of you the ape won't make sense if your looking at numbers.

BTW, don't buy a new ape. it does not hold its valve. most of the used bikes are well cared for and you'll get a bargain.
 
The RSV1000R Factory is $17,999, that's about $6500 more than a new GSXR-1000, so throw a set of Ohlins forks ($2000), Ohlins shock ($1500), Brembo master cylinder and forged monoblock calipers ($1250).....leaving you another $1750 to throw at whatever you please (full system and custom map perhaps). The OZ rims and carbon fiber bits still don't have the bike weighing less than a GSXR (about 30-40 lbs heavier wet).

I'm interested to see what the new Aprilia RSV4 will bring to the table, but I'm pretty sure cost effectiveness won't be one of them.
K diffrent prices in usa and sweden then.

Brand new Gixxer 1000 in sweden is 20833$ its about same for the aprilia RSV-R not the Factory
 
it seems that you only look at the numbers. how many HP, how fast 0-60, how fast can I go the the lowest $.
Well, that's a pretty logical way of thinking unless you are buying the bike to park it outside of Starbuck every weekend.


Don't get me wrong, I very much want to add an RC51 to my garage and that bike is equally heavy and underpowered as comparing the RSV to the GSXR, but it would be a supplemental ride. So in that sense yes, but I would make neither of those 2 my primary ride.
 
IMO twins > I4 on the street. So much easier to ride quickly you don't have to tap dance on the shifter all day to make good time. Granted it was *only* an SV1000 but i would leave it in 3rd and stay ahead of my friends on thier I4's (2 750s and a 600). I have ridden many R bikes from 600s-1000's and can safely say any bike I buy in the future for the street will be a twin.
 
I have a TL1000R but decided to get something for the twisties so i picked up a sv650s. The stock suspension on that thing wasnt doing it for me, so rather than drop money into it i just sold it and bought my k6 600. I like the V-twin for round town, but its not THAT much better than an I4. If i ever get another V-Twin its going to be for cruising to startbucks lolz. I4 is just so much more smooth in the turns, IMO.
 
If we are talking engine characteristics, a uk magazine tested all the different engines (in bikes) they could find, on the dyno and different street tests. Their conclusion was they Triumph Speed Tripple 1ltr engine has the most usable power and torque curve for fast street riding.

I would like to try a speed tripple and they are very cheap, but they do tend to get old looking real quick.
 
I have a TL1000R but decided to get something for the twisties so i picked up a sv650s. The stock suspension on that thing wasnt doing it for me, so rather than drop money into it i just sold it and bought my k6 600. I like the V-twin for round town, but its not THAT much better than an I4. If i ever get another V-Twin its going to be for cruising to startbucks lolz. I4 is just so much more smooth in the turns, IMO.
But you are judging it against the infamous 'widowmaker'. TL wasn't famous for is mid corner on throttle smoothness...lol. Great bikes though.
 
Save yourself $10k and get a used TLR.
A new RSVR is another league compared to a TLR. All of the sport twin shootouts from the era were between the
996/998/RC51/RSV Mille. TLR is a decent bike with a great engine and a lot of cost cutting compromises.


It's old and outdated that's why.
It is no longer a "new" design. The current model dates back to 2004. It's had a a few tweaks over the years, but it's basically the same bike. While big four companies typically update every 2 years, Aprilia is on a 4-5 year schedule.

This should be the last year of the RSVR. 2009 they will replace it with the RSV4, a 1000cc V-4 making a rumored 200+ hp.

In a recent Motorcyclist mag I think it was, they compared it to the that new Buell 1125 and it finished behind it in most categories. I mean I definately like the bike, but its heavy, overpriced and way underpowered compared to modern literbikes.
There is no question the Buell 1125 has more power and is lighter than an RSVR 1000, but at the end of the review in the comments section, one of the editors said he preferred the Aprilia in every subjective category: steering, balance, chassis feedback etc...Read the article again. I think that was a damning statement. As I recall that magazine had a big feature interview with Erik. It'd be rough to slam his new bike in that month's issue. LOL

Don't forget it's the only current hardcore sport v-twin displacing just 1000cc. Ducati, Buell, KTM all have anywhere from 100-200 more cc underneath the tank. A lot of fast guys go with a 3mm overbore. For a couple grand, AF1 can build a 1060cc Rotax Aprilia engine with as much hp and a better torque curve than a 1098's engine. Not the 1098R. That's actually an 1198cc engine. :wtf
 
The RSV1000R Factory is $17,999, that's about $6500 more than a new GSXR-1000, so throw a set of Ohlins forks ($2000), Ohlins shock ($1500), Brembo master cylinder and forged monoblock calipers ($1250).....leaving you another $1750 to throw at whatever you please (full system and custom map perhaps). The OZ rims and carbon fiber bits still don't have the bike weighing less than a GSXR (about 30-40 lbs heavier wet).
The forged OZ rims cost over 2k on their own and greatly reduce unsprung weight. Losing 3-4 lbs per wheel is more important than somewhere above the suspension. It makes a big difference for turn in, braking and inertial forces. When you buy a Factory, you're getting the upgraded parts a lot cheaper than what you'd pay separately, on your own.

I'm interested to see what the new Aprilia RSV4 will bring to the table, but I'm pretty sure cost effectiveness won't be one of them.
This bike will have desmosedici RR #s, for 1/3 the price. I think 200-210 crank hp and 420lbs wet is a good estimate.

Aprilia maybe more expensive than Suzuki, but there is good value for the money, especially compared to Ducati. The RSV4 will go like hotcakes. But this time of year, you can find RSVRs for thousands less than MSRP. Around 12k for an RSVR and 15-16k for a new Factory.


BTW...don't even bother comparing the RSV to a modern liter bike. It's more appropriate to compare it to the Gixxer 750, as the mags did all the time several years ago.

If I remember correctly, I think it was back in 2001 where they had a Mille that couldn't catch a 750 on any strech of a racetrack.
I agree, the outright performance potential is more like a gixxer 750 than a liter I-4. V-twin 1000s can't compete anymore. Unlike the 98-03 bikes, the 04-08 Aprilias never raced in SBK. Ducati needed a displacement bump to stay in the game. It was costing them a fortune to stay competitive with only 1000cc.

In the 2001 Masterbike competition in Jerez, the overall final came down between the RSVR and the GSXR-1000. Suzuki won. But the Aprilia was turning faster lap times than all of the 600s, the GSXR-750, even R1s etc with 30+ more hp. Why ? Superior suspension, lots of usable torque, and an easy to ride character. It had the highest average rider score (9) of all the bikes tested.

I just looked at the article, best time on the GSXR1k was 1:50.10, best on the RSVR was 1:50.18 !!
Some of the other times were

R6 1:53.68
RC-51 1:53.04
996R 1:51.46
GSXR-750 1:51.82

the V4 will walk on the rest in 2009
Agreed, it's really going to shake things up. I don't know how it will fair in SBK racing. But off the show room floor, it should exceed the latest gsxr, r1, zx-10, cbr1k specs on paper. It's a much bigger jump than the 04-08 bikes were over their predecessors. The 04-08 model is more of an update to the originals than a new blank sheet.

Like you said, the RSV4 is a totally new design with one of the hottest warrantied motorcycle engines available. I read they were testing in 180, 200, and 220hp configurations. We'll find out in about a week when it's officially announced. I don't think the USA will get any until next year.

It'd be sweet if they made a homologation "special" like in '99. Probably won't happen though. Back then you only needed 300 units. Now it's 1000 and goes up to 3000 (I think) in the year 2011.

Well, that's a pretty logical way of thinking unless you are buying the bike to park it outside of Starbuck every weekend.
Looking strictly at the #s is logical if you're a competitive racer. For street riding and casual track days, not so much. If someone is really that good of rider, that an Aprilia RSVR 1000 holds back their potential, I take my hat off to them. :)
 
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