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My money is on a heavy rider with the rear suspension sagging too low and the compression damping in the front too soft.

There's nothing essentially wrong with the K7 that would cause this so, it has to be rider error or a setting issue. I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt on not gripping the bars too tight or having serious body placement issues.

Ken7
 
My money is on a heavy rider with the rear suspension sagging too low and the compression damping in the front too soft.

There's nothing essentially wrong with the K7 that would cause this so, it has to be rider error or a setting issue. I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt on not gripping the bars too tight or having serious body placement issues.

Ken7
Ken7, I think you called it correctly. On of my buddies on this site, "land-shark" adjusted my front and rear, corrected the tire pressures, and those adjustments made a world of a difference.

Another important part that contributes to us mere mortals doubting the K7 is that the K7 was/is not made for comfort or sweet ride abiltiy on the streets. IMO, these bikes are made with the racetrack in mind, and the street comfort comes a distant second. IMO again, my K1 was more comfortable than my K7, and I think the engine was a tad smoother too. However, everytime I have slammed my K7 in a corner hard, the bike almost laughs at me and says "what am I doing??"..The K7 can handle my skill level while it is sleeping. And this is an almost stock K7.

To have a bike that is a winner on the racetrack, it is not going to be a street queen, and it dam sure ain't competing with the Katana!!:biggrin
 
Sell it and get a Schwinn....no seriously there's something a miss with your setup. Get the tools out and get wrenching.
 
Whoever told you guys that the GSX-R line, whether a 600 or a 1000, was a bike designed for the street, lied to you. Plain and simple. Suzuki designed the bike to win on the racetrack, and it is a full on race bike and should always be treated as such.
 
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ok looked at y ris i have no weights at all on either one, tookit to y dealer they said the tires and wheels come pre balanced and do not require weights? got the suspension settings going to adust it in a few. also my tire pressure is checked every day.

chain is not to tight and well found out there is no way to adjust the stock daper.. also i dont have any heavy valve caps just the stock tiny plastic ones. will ride it after i adjust the suspension.
 
ok looked at y ris i have no weights at all on either one, tookit to y dealer they said the tires and wheels come pre balanced and do not require weights?
Hahaha... That's the best one I've heard in awhile...
 
Whoever told you guys that the GSX-R line, whether a 600 or a 1000, was a bike designed for the street, lied to you. Plain and simple. Suzuki designed the bike to win on the racetrack, and it is a full on race bike and should always be treated as such.
10000000000000000000000%+++++++

Yes, yes, and yes...:thumbup :thumbup :thumbup
 
k5_750,

Everyone here is right to an extent...

The stock damper is working, will it work as good as an aftermarket one? Probably not..
Are you experiencing headshake (i.e. tank slappers) because you are on a liter bike vs. your old 600.. Probably.. Tank slappers are caused by the front wheel not being aligned with the ground properly. Meaning, you pull a wheelie and the front wheel comes down with the bars turned slightly to one side, it will tank slap. You hit a good sized pot hole or bump in the road and it causes the bars to tweak to one side or the other while simultaneously causing the front wheel to “become light” meaning it actually leaves the ground or possibly doesn’t even leave the ground, just unweights itself enough to allow the bars to get tweaked to one side or the other it will tank slap. Again, what is causing the tank slap is that the front wheel is not straight when it is weighted again.. When it makes solid contact with the ground. Forward momentum wants to carry you straight ahead, the wheel being turned when it makes solid contact whit the ground again is violently thrown back to center. The more the wheel is turned, the more violent it will be thrown back to center. It usually works like a pendulum… meaning it will not stop at center, but will go past center, and then the same thing happens again.. Thrown back the other direction.. all the while it is usually being slowed down by the damper.. Sometimes you can ride thru them, other times, the end in some of the ugliest crashes..

On the street, we find ourselves dealing with tank slappers much more often than guys who race.. Race tracks are smooth, racers are more skilled, they tend to not overweight the bars as much, they tend to run better steering stabilizers ( for those that do use them to compensate for their own lack of smoothness).. It really is hard to explain in a email or a forum, sometimes talking and using body language can help others to understand it easier.. I hope this is coming thru in a understandable way for you.. But we find ourselves in this predicament on the street because it is so unsmooth.. Regardless of how well you ride, the power of a liter bike is enough that at times, we hit even a reflector in the road at the right time, the right gear, the right throttle, and the front wheel goes light.. light enough that if you are pushing on one bar slightly harder than the other, you may slightly turn the wheel, even if it’s for a split second, it is sometimes enough to cause that tank slapper.. But more often than not, it wasn’t necessarily you, but the angle at which the front wheel hit the reflector, or the bump in the road, or the pot hole that twisted the wheel out from under you.. and combined with you being on the gas just right and the front being light enough to get jerked to the side, you get your tank slapper… Is the solution in anything other than a steering damper.. probably not.. your suspension may be off, your sheels unbalanced, etc. etc. are they going to cause tank slappers, the simple answer is no. The guy who said a steering damper is a band aid is correct. It is. Is it needed if everything is set up perfectly, no. Is it needed even if your bike isn’t set up perfectly? No. It is needed when you have those odd moments that you misaglined the front wheel from center while the wheel was “airborne” for lack of a better word.. Yes.. It is a band aid. It is going to help you on the street much more than you think. The stock one works, does it work as well as a $300 ohlins? Does it work as well as a $400 Scotts? No.. the aftermarket ones are better.. If you ride hard enough and your roads are rough enough that you are experiencing tank slappers, you should invest in the aftermarket damper. It will work wonders for you. I ride a k7, I had 3 near crashes (on the street) within my first 300 miles.. I bought an Ohlins shaft style damper and run it nearly ¾ full hard.. It is night and day different compared to the stock damper.. I race the bike as well.. I can back it off some on the race track.. I don’t have as many instances that I need a damper on the track.. Or if I do, it usually isn’t as bad of an issue as on the street.. I can have mild tank slappers here and there and usually ride thru them..

The guys that say they don’t get tank slappers and run stock dampers just ride on smoother roads, or don’t twist the throttle quite as hard as you do over anything rough. (including reflectors on the road) The liter bike issue doesn’t help matters any.. Your answer lies in the aftermarket damper.. Start at the ½ way point in the 18 clicks of adjustability (Ohlins shaft style = 18 clicks) If you have a slapper happen, crank it up a click or two.. If they never happen, back it off a click or two.. Ultimately the ideal setting is going to be as light as possible but hard enough to suit your style of riding.. If you crank the thing to full hard you’ll probably never have another issue.. but you are going to get quite the pump in the forearms over time. To fully understand what a damper is for, once you mount that aftermarket damper, set it full soft and just sit on the bike and turn the wheel from lock to lock and see what it feels like.. Now set it full hard and turn the wheel from lock to lock and see the difference.. compare to a stock damper and you will see your answers for yourself…

Good luck, hope this helps…. Just one fellow rider to another that has been riding for 20 plus years and has experienced everything talked about first hand hundreds of times… take it for what it’s worth..
 
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k5_750,

Everyone here is right to an extent...

The stock damper is working, will it work as good as an aftermarket one? Probably not..
Are you experiencing headshake (i.e. tank slappers) because you are on a liter bike vs. your old 600.. Probably.. Tank slappers are caused by the front wheel not being aligned with the ground properly. Meaning, you pull a wheelie and the front wheel comes down with the bars turned slightly to one side, it will tank slap. You hit a good sized pot hole or bump in the road and it causes the bars to tweak to one side or the other while simultaneously causing the front wheel to “become light” meaning it actually leaves the ground or possibly doesn’t even leave the ground, just unweights itself enough to allow the bars to get tweaked to one side or the other it will tank slap. Again, what is causing the tank slap is that the front wheel is not straight when it is weighted again.. When it makes solid contact with the ground. Forward momentum wants to carry you straight ahead, the wheel being turned when it makes solid contact whit the ground again is violently thrown back to center. The more the wheel is turned, the more violent it will be thrown back to center. It usually works like a pendulum… meaning it will not stop at center, but will go past center, and then the same thing happens again.. Thrown back the other direction.. all the while it is usually being slowed down by the damper.. Sometimes you can ride thru them, other times, the end in some of the ugliest crashes..

On the street, we find ourselves dealing with tank slappers much more often than guys who race.. Race tracks are smooth, racers are more skilled, they tend to not overweight the bars as much, they tend to run better steering stabilizers ( for those that do use them to compensate for their own lack of smoothness).. It really is hard to explain in a email or a forum, sometimes talking and using body language can help others to understand it easier.. I hope this is coming thru in a understandable way for you.. But we find ourselves in this predicament on the street because it is so unsmooth.. Regardless of how well you ride, the power of a liter bike is enough that at times, we hit even a reflector in the road at the right time, the right gear, the right throttle, and the front wheel goes light.. light enough that if you are pushing on one bar slightly harder than the other, you may slightly turn the wheel, even if it’s for a split second, it is sometimes enough to cause that tank slapper.. But more often than not, it wasn’t necessarily you, but the angle at which the front wheel hit the reflector, or the bump in the road, or the pot hole that twisted the wheel out from under you.. and combined with you being on the gas just right and the front being light enough to get jerked to the side, you get your tank slapper… Is the solution in anything other than a steering damper.. probably not.. your suspension may be off, your sheels unbalanced, etc. etc. are they going to cause tank slappers, the simple answer is no. The guy who said a steering damper is a band aid is correct. It is. Is it needed if everything is set up perfectly, no. Is it needed even if your bike isn’t set up perfectly? No. It is needed when you have those odd moments that you misaglined the front wheel from center while the wheel was “airborne” for lack of a better word.. Yes.. It is a band aid. It is going to help you on the street much more than you think. The stock one works, does it work as well as a $300 ohlins? Does it work as well as a $400 Scotts? No.. the aftermarket ones are better.. If you ride hard enough and your roads are rough enough that you are experiencing tank slappers, you should invest in the aftermarket damper. It will work wonders for you. I ride a k7, I had 3 near crashes (on the street) within my first 300 miles.. I bought an Ohlins shaft style damper and run it nearly ¾ full hard.. It is night and day different compared to the stock damper.. I race the bike as well.. I can back it off some on the race track.. I don’t have as many instances that I need a damper on the track.. Or if I do, it usually isn’t as bad of an issue as on the street.. I can have mild tank slappers here and there and usually ride thru them..

The guys that say they don’t get tank slappers and run stock dampers just ride on smoother roads, or don’t twist the throttle quite as hard as you do over anything rough. (including reflectors on the road) The liter bike issue doesn’t help matters any.. Your answer lies in the aftermarket damper.. Start at the ½ way point in the 18 clicks of adjustability (Ohlins shaft style = 18 clicks) If you have a slapper happen, crank it up a click or two.. If they never happen, back it off a click or two.. Ultimately the ideal setting is going to be as light as possible but hard enough to suit your style of riding.. If you crank the thing to full hard you’ll probably never have another issue.. but you are going to get quite the pump in the forearms over time. To fully understand what a damper is for, once you mount that aftermarket damper, set it full soft and just sit on the bike and turn the wheel from lock to lock and see what it feels like.. Now set it full hard and turn the wheel from lock to lock and see the difference.. compare to a stock damper and you will see your answers for yourself…

Good luck, hope this helps…. Just one fellow rider to another that has been riding for 20 plus years and has experienced everything talked about first hand hundreds of times… take it for what it’s worth..
great write up. thanks for taking all that tie to explain the situation. i always knew what tank slappers were but never connected the 1000cc power into it being worse on y bike y k5 750 never did it. thats why it bothered e alot when it was happening often on y 1000. i will be investing in a good daper very soon.

question, when i do get a new damper should i rmove the stock one ? or leave it there ?
 
Yes, remove the stock one no matter what type you go with.. I run the Ohlins shaft style that mounts up where the original damper was.. BUt even if you get one that mounts up top of the triples, still remove the old damper..

When you unplug the electrical connection on the OEM damper, it will trigger a FI light.. It's not a big deal, but you can disable the code/light by wiring a 1 or 2 watt 20 ohm resistor in it's place.. Just cut the plug off and solder a resistor in place and no more code.. Or go the cheassy route like I did and just stuff the wire ends of the resistor into the plug itself and tape the crap out of it.. I've been running around like that for close to a year with out a failure. Your aftermarket damper does not use any electrical connections like the OEM one does... If you have any questions or concerns, send me a PM with your number, I'll be happy to give you a call..
 
so you guys are saying the stock electronic is a POS and get a aftermarket dampner...

I dont have on right now. I get some TS but not often. Only when riding really hard and only cause of a bump or something off on the pavement.
 
Hmm.... "100,000 miles" on a k5 750 (33,333 miles per year; 2,778 miles per month; for 3 years!), and you:

1: Can't figure out what the stock suspension settings are;
2: Don't know how to check the alignment of your tires;
3: Buy a line of total BS from a dealer that clearly wants you to go away;
4: Haven't even touched the suspension, not even the sag;
5: Actually asked if you should leave the stock damper in place after you get a new one.

Pardon my skepticism, but I don't buy the experienced rider angle you're playing. Sell this bike before we have to read about you in the obituaries.
 
k5_750,

Everyone here is right to an extent...

The stock damper is working, will it work as good as an aftermarket one? Probably not..
Are you experiencing headshake (i.e. tank slappers) because you are on a liter bike vs. your old 600.. Probably.. Tank slappers are caused by the front wheel not being aligned with the ground properly. Meaning, you pull a wheelie and the front wheel comes down with the bars turned slightly to one side, it will tank slap. You hit a good sized pot hole or bump in the road and it causes the bars to tweak to one side or the other while simultaneously causing the front wheel to “become light” meaning it actually leaves the ground or possibly doesn’t even leave the ground, just unweights itself enough to allow the bars to get tweaked to one side or the other it will tank slap. Again, what is causing the tank slap is that the front wheel is not straight when it is weighted again.. When it makes solid contact with the ground. Forward momentum wants to carry you straight ahead, the wheel being turned when it makes solid contact whit the ground again is violently thrown back to center. The more the wheel is turned, the more violent it will be thrown back to center. It usually works like a pendulum… meaning it will not stop at center, but will go past center, and then the same thing happens again.. Thrown back the other direction.. all the while it is usually being slowed down by the damper.. Sometimes you can ride thru them, other times, the end in some of the ugliest crashes..

On the street, we find ourselves dealing with tank slappers much more often than guys who race.. Race tracks are smooth, racers are more skilled, they tend to not overweight the bars as much, they tend to run better steering stabilizers ( for those that do use them to compensate for their own lack of smoothness).. It really is hard to explain in a email or a forum, sometimes talking and using body language can help others to understand it easier.. I hope this is coming thru in a understandable way for you.. But we find ourselves in this predicament on the street because it is so unsmooth.. Regardless of how well you ride, the power of a liter bike is enough that at times, we hit even a reflector in the road at the right time, the right gear, the right throttle, and the front wheel goes light.. light enough that if you are pushing on one bar slightly harder than the other, you may slightly turn the wheel, even if it’s for a split second, it is sometimes enough to cause that tank slapper.. But more often than not, it wasn’t necessarily you, but the angle at which the front wheel hit the reflector, or the bump in the road, or the pot hole that twisted the wheel out from under you.. and combined with you being on the gas just right and the front being light enough to get jerked to the side, you get your tank slapper… Is the solution in anything other than a steering damper.. probably not.. your suspension may be off, your sheels unbalanced, etc. etc. are they going to cause tank slappers, the simple answer is no. The guy who said a steering damper is a band aid is correct. It is. Is it needed if everything is set up perfectly, no. Is it needed even if your bike isn’t set up perfectly? No. It is needed when you have those odd moments that you misaglined the front wheel from center while the wheel was “airborne” for lack of a better word.. Yes.. It is a band aid. It is going to help you on the street much more than you think. The stock one works, does it work as well as a $300 ohlins? Does it work as well as a $400 Scotts? No.. the aftermarket ones are better.. If you ride hard enough and your roads are rough enough that you are experiencing tank slappers, you should invest in the aftermarket damper. It will work wonders for you. I ride a k7, I had 3 near crashes (on the street) within my first 300 miles.. I bought an Ohlins shaft style damper and run it nearly ¾ full hard.. It is night and day different compared to the stock damper.. I race the bike as well.. I can back it off some on the race track.. I don’t have as many instances that I need a damper on the track.. Or if I do, it usually isn’t as bad of an issue as on the street.. I can have mild tank slappers here and there and usually ride thru them..

The guys that say they don’t get tank slappers and run stock dampers just ride on smoother roads, or don’t twist the throttle quite as hard as you do over anything rough. (including reflectors on the road) The liter bike issue doesn’t help matters any.. Your answer lies in the aftermarket damper.. Start at the ½ way point in the 18 clicks of adjustability (Ohlins shaft style = 18 clicks) If you have a slapper happen, crank it up a click or two.. If they never happen, back it off a click or two.. Ultimately the ideal setting is going to be as light as possible but hard enough to suit your style of riding.. If you crank the thing to full hard you’ll probably never have another issue.. but you are going to get quite the pump in the forearms over time. To fully understand what a damper is for, once you mount that aftermarket damper, set it full soft and just sit on the bike and turn the wheel from lock to lock and see what it feels like.. Now set it full hard and turn the wheel from lock to lock and see the difference.. compare to a stock damper and you will see your answers for yourself…

Good luck, hope this helps…. Just one fellow rider to another that has been riding for 20 plus years and has experienced everything talked about first hand hundreds of times… take it for what it’s worth..
One of the best written & informative pieces I have ever read on the internet.

Since high performance biking has been made so accessible to the masses I find the level of complacency & attitude to travelling at high speed incredible. Performance & speeds are increasing every year & thankfully they seems to be plateauxing a little now. Every year engines, tyres, chassis & brakes seem to make things even easier & lesser mortals can tap the performance more safely than before. However with all these improvements the laws of physics still remain constant. If you go faster you build up more momentum & kinetic energy & it always has to go somewhere in the end. The fact that these mass produced bikes are so precision engineered & cleverly designed to keep the sheer violence that the engine is putting them through is staggering. Years ago to ride the fastest machines & not hurt yourself you had to be the cream of the crop – now an average pilot is capable of the same.

Likewise anyone saying the stock damper is a ‘Pile of Crap’ is utterly ridiculous. It is designed to do its main job of keeping the bike under control, not be intrusive & now to electronically adjust to a range of conditions. It is designed so everybody can avail of its abilities – for most of the people, most of the time. It is not customly designed to an individual’s needs – that’s the main reason for aftermarket parts. If you find yourself going beyond the capabilities of the stock damper then go buy a ‘better’ aftermarket one. However it is good enough for most people.

& Dorkfish…. I completely hear what your saying – bikes are not for everyone.
 
I think you should be looking at your suspension more than anything. I rode a 2002 r1 for like 2 years with no damper and it scared the shit out of me a few times. When I got my gsxr I couldnt believe how easy the stock damper made it to ride on a rough road fast. how much better can an aftermarket item be...

In the end though damper or no damper serious slappers are mainly caused by incorrect suspension settings screwing with the geometry of the bike Even a click or 2 the wrong way with damping can make it flare up again. Good luck with it.
 
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