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I keep on hearing that the EM pro for the K7 has an inbuild traction control!!!!!

I hear some KWS bikes has this and now I got some info that the Vesrah bikes about has it as well.

Whats the deal.....can someone confirm this or what??

2007 1000's

Em Pro kit box with Traction Control and built in shifter (mapped to ProV1
or MR9) can give alternate map
Graves full ti exhaust (special built for us)
Facory side covers
Hot bodies
Vortex bars, rearsets, spools, sprockets front and rear
Did ERV3 chain
Goodridge brake lines
Vesrah SRJL-17 or SRJL-XX pads
AK-20 forks (Gas forks are 1500.00 extra)
Penske triple not piggyback
GPR stabilizer
Engine Head milled, serdi full radius, Vesrah Kit head gasket, Vesrah Clutch
and optional reaction springs and slipper settings

Cost 13,000.00
 
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According to Kenji, even the 05 EMPro comes with the TC feature, but you have to purchase the accessory ignition harness as well.
 
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Throttlestop said:
According to Kenji, even the 05 EMPro comes with the TC feature, but you have to purchase the accessory ignition harness as well.
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The ignition harness is a small harness you need to have for the EM pro to work with the stock harness with some limitations.

If you want all the functions you need the kit/race harness.

I am a little confused about this TC talk with the Em pro, cause I have the software & manuals and no direct reference to TC is mantioned there.

Only thing I can think of is that you can edit injection, ignition and engine braking for each gear and change between two settings on the fly by using the hazard switch.

The instructions for the EM pro is hopelessly difficult and confusing to read...............maybe I have been riding around with TC without noticing :lol
 
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Unfortunately my experience with EMPro is virtually nil. You'll have to wait for some experienced input here.
 
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Chip@KWSMotorsports said:
They don't talk about it in the manual.....The ABC switch is now the traction control switch, not a map switch.

A = Off
B = Soft
C = Hard

It won't keep you from doing a rolling burnout or highsiding yourself to the moon, but will help with drive coming out of the corner.
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So basically there is no real TC on the Em Pro right?
 
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A friend of mine purchased a race bike superstock in USA, one of the first K5s raced, this came with a race ECU, and he does not know how to tune it.
 
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Chip@KWSMotorsports said:
Yes...it has a rasing rate traction control. Is this a real traction control? No....because a real traction control system would use a stand alone ecu and measure f/r wheel speed and lean angle.
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Thanks.

Do you know if the coming Bazzaz TC unit will be based on the same rasing rate TC?....and do you thinik that unit would work with the EM pro on a K5?
 
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Yes agreed. With the motec you can base it on wheel speeds and/or rate of crank acceleration. And if you really want to get clever you can build in other sensor and track map functions. Then you create lookup tables per gear/throttle opening/rpm with ignition retard and cut.
The bazaz is rpm rate based and looks good value for money.
Best way to do it is fly by wire like yamaha do. Base the throttle opening on what the tyre can cope with. The stock r6 and r1 have this traction control system which is why they are such good track bikes out the crate.
 
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I think in the traction control application the STV could acts exactly like fly by wire. It can throttle back the engine when needed.

And the K7's idle speed control could be used for engine braking control. Though I have no idea how fast its reaction time is.

BTW, the K5 also uses the fast idle mode of the STV to reduce engine braking above a certain RPM limit. It is easy to see from data logging the TPS and the STPS.
 
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Yes em-pro will use idle control for secondary slipper simulation.
You can use the stv yes. Has anyone mapped it movement on the stock k6/k7? Be interested to see what is happening there from factory
 
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On the 07 the stv has an adjustment screw like the old one's did for idle. I proped my tank on the dyno and watched how they moved at red line. The screw is set from the factory to where it will not touch the primary side ever. If you loosen the locknut and turn the screw way in it will hold the primary side open slightly when the rpm is about 10000 to red line. So in effect it will slightly reduce engine braking. Also the slipper clutch on the 07 slips very little. If you turn the lifter pins in and play with the spings behind the clutch basket you can get it to slip a lot. The secondary flies on the 07 do not even begin to open until about 7000rpm, this surprised me somewhat. In C mode they never move, closed all the time. Suzuki builds a lot of tune ability into these bikes.

Tim tell me more
 
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I'd like to get a motec on a suzuki and play with the stv's. Had m800 on the big bang but never bothered with this just wired them open. Not enough time. But you can use the stv's to increase response times hugely. I've logged the fly by wire on r6 and that little beast doesn't give you full throttle until about 9500rpm. There will be gains on modified motors because the stock setup will no longer be right. Some just remove the stv and gain in some areas and loose in others. Careful mapping of stv's with torque measurements will make a much faster engine.
 
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