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sanee said:
off the rack suits have fitted me pretty damn well (agv)

then again i have never had a custom suit and i feel that i have a off the rack body:D
your body is more than off the rack... biotch..
 
TZRaceR6 said:
Z Custom hasn't been around the AMA paddock as of late, because they are having a difficult time matching the cheaper prices of other brands, so they are concentrating more on the local area and club racing. (And this info is direct from me talking with Adolph). They sell a lot of suits to many of the racers at Willow Springs for instance. Just because they don't sponsor AMA riders, doesn't mean they are not one of the best suits around. I'll vouch for their worthiness, as I have tested two of their suits in high speed crashes at Willow, one being in Turn 9..
No one stated anything about sponsoring AMA factory riders. I was referring to AMA Privateers who buy their stuff. Great they support riders near their home base, but overall, I don't see them.

Also didn't state they were piles, either. Point was that they aren't doing much as they don't have much marketing towards the racers out there. Vanson is suffering from the same deal that Z is compared to the "rack" suits.

TZRaceR6 said:
At the end of the day, it's your money. But like most people that wear $400 Joe Rocket garbage, these are usually the same people that buy take off tires and wonder why they crashed and broke their collarbone on lap 5. Going cheap on tires and safety gear only leads to one result... But that's just my humble opinion. Ciao.
You're lumping everyone who doesn't buy custom suits into a pretty general pool. I think that's totally unfair. What, because you buy $1500 custom suits, it makes you an AMA caliper rider? Ever heard of Jensen? He wears off the rack and is pretty much one of the top guys anywhere in the country he shows up at. Even out West for the Western WERA National rounds. But, he probably buys shit tires and bitches about gear.

That was such a BS statement. You listen too much to the hype the custom guys dish out. There are actually some decent off the rack suits out there. The way they cut corners is on where they have it built. The leather is very close to the same mil, the stitching is definitely decent - not as good as say, NJK and Vanson, but again, when talking a difference of $600 plus on a suit, you can easily sit and feel comfortable racing in an off the rack top line suit and know you're pretty damn safe.

You make it sound that if you buy a Spidi, SHIFT, AStar, and other top tier rack suits that you are wearing the equivalent to a Vega helmet out there. That's total BS and simply not true. You can buy two of these suits to one of yours almost and have plenty of protection.

You really ought to be more careful with your generalized statements...
 
Moto_Joe said:
My off the rack Technic fits REALLY well, but could be better in the lower legs and knee area. some people can wear them and fit fine, some cant.
That's the point of custom suits. When we ran Vanson suits, we were able to get them tailored to our exact needs. They fit GREAT compared to the off the rack suits we had before. Some guys HAVE to do custom suits because they don't fit an off the rack suit.

However, when we needed to get extra suits for the seasons, we'd get an allocation of a certain number and then we had to buy the rest. The cost was a bit much even when they were free for the first ones and having to buy the 2nd set.

Now, with the off the rack guys, we can do the same deal and have minimal amounts invested in a quality suit that sure, doesn't fit as well, but does a damn good job of protecting us.

unlike the one guy who seems to like spinning the death scenerio to everyone, you can get a damn good suit for under $1k off teh rack...

Another thing to ponder is if you are sponsored direct, typically, you can get alterations done and some custom stuff done to teh off the rack suits by the company. AStars does it, SHIFT can get it done and Spidi can get it done (Motonation). It's not a typically well known ordeal, but it is possible...
 
Lizard 1 said:
No one stated anything about sponsoring AMA factory riders. I was referring to AMA Privateers who buy their stuff. Great they support riders near their home base, but overall, I don't see them.

Also didn't state they were piles, either. Point was that they aren't doing much as they don't have much marketing towards the racers out there. Vanson is suffering from the same deal that Z is compared to the "rack" suits.



You're lumping everyone who doesn't buy custom suits into a pretty general pool. I think that's totally unfair. What, because you buy $1500 custom suits, it makes you an AMA caliper rider? Ever heard of Jensen? He wears off the rack and is pretty much one of the top guys anywhere in the country he shows up at. Even out West for the Western WERA National rounds. But, he probably buys shit tires and bitches about gear.

That was such a BS statement. You listen too much to the hype the custom guys dish out. There are actually some decent off the rack suits out there. The way they cut corners is on where they have it built. The leather is very close to the same mil, the stitching is definitely decent - not as good as say, NJK and Vanson, but again, when talking a difference of $600 plus on a suit, you can easily sit and feel comfortable racing in an off the rack top line suit and know you're pretty damn safe.

You make it sound that if you buy a Spidi, SHIFT, AStar, and other top tier rack suits that you are wearing the equivalent to a Vega helmet out there. That's total BS and simply not true. You can buy two of these suits to one of yours almost and have plenty of protection.

You really ought to be more careful with your generalized statements...
Lizard,
I respect your opinions, but at the same time, I don't think you read my post too clearly. The only suit I mentioned (in terms of being cheap off the rack stuff) was the $400 JR crap. I never said anything about some of the upper end off the rack stuff, which if you look at pricing is actually on par with custom made suits. This was the point I was trying to convey.
And yes, I know plenty of guys racing in the club scene that buy the cheapest stuff and typically buy lots of take offs. I've also seen many of them crash, as I'm sure you have. My point is, "I believe" you should spend your money to be as safe as possible and avoid, taking the cheap route. And I'll now leave this thread. I prefer not to argue about anything over the internet. Now if you wanted to shoot the shit over a beer... hey I'm all for it. :cheers
 
TZRaceR6 said:
Lizard,
I respect your opinions, but at the same time, I don't think you read my post too clearly. The only suit I mentioned (in terms of being cheap off the rack stuff) was the $400 JR crap. I never said anything about some of the upper end off the rack stuff, which if you look at pricing is actually on par with custom made suits. This was the point I was trying to convey.
And yes, I know plenty of guys racing in the club scene that buy the cheapest stuff and typically buy lots of take offs. I've also seen many of them crash, as I'm sure you have. My point is, "I believe" you should spend your money to be as safe as possible and avoid, taking the cheap route. And I'll now leave this thread. I prefer not to argue about anything over the internet. Now if you wanted to shoot the shit over a beer... hey I'm all for it. :cheers
Gotcha. Sorry I mis-read your post. True, Rocket's stuff is shit and anyone who wears it is prone to disaster. I agree. The others mentioned here are good choices...
 
Alpinestars :piss My AStars Bostrom replica (a $999 MSRP suit) failed miserably. Leather burned through or tore quickly and several seams failed - all in one crash. :mad

I picked up a Vanson and haven't regretted it. Heavy as hell but I've crashed in it several times without a hole. Vanson has a warehouse sale one or twice a year where you can get decent deals on suits.

I don't know what model Spidi Dave has, but that thing has been through hell and back. It's uglier than njracer but still works.
 
I bought an off-the-rack XES suit at the GNF. I was going to get a custom suit, but I tried on the 44 off the rack and Phil didn't know where to even make an improvement. The suit is by far the lightest and more breathable suit I have worn or seen. The racer discount is $750 for the suit I got.

Several WERA national guys are wearing these suits and I watched them get crash tested over and over before I bought a suit. Plus, you won't find a better looking suit in the padock....I will try and rememember to take some pics and post them.

My other teammate has a set of Taichi which are probably the best you can buy and big $$$. He is thinking of selling his for a set of XES.

I think Dave tried humping my leg when he saw me in my new sexy leathers. :nono

For the price you can't beat them! Phil will also get any sponsor patches and you name sewn on for a very reasonably price....like $50 for everything.

One other thing....the suit has a built in Hard segmented back protector. I don't even wear my bohn anymore. Plus the removable liner is really nice too.

www.moto-heaven.com
 
Discussion starter · #29 ·
Ok so I received the suit today.

It looks very good. The knee sliders seem to be very good too compared to the ones I have (they have a W on them forgot the brand). It has a removable liner and a hump. I also like the protectors inside the suit better; compared to my tz1 jacket and my pants.

Will the suit stretch a little? it fits a little tight on the biceps. (im not big at all)


Also was the easiest way to get in the suit? I had to sit down in order to put it on. The elbows are stiff and I cant bend my arms too much.

(might sound like a stupid question. or either the suit is too tight on me)
 
andrewrfl said:
Ok so I received the suit today.

It looks very good. The knee sliders seem to be very good too compared to the ones I have (they have a W on them forgot the brand). It has a removable liner and a hump. I also like the protectors inside the suit better; compared to my tz1 jacket and my pants.

Will the suit stretch a little? it fits a little tight on the biceps. (im not big at all)


Also was the easiest way to get in the suit? I had to sit down in order to put it on. The elbows are stiff and I cant bend my arms too much.

(might sound like a stupid question. or either the suit is too tight on me)
Did you get the SHIFT suit? The knee pucks don't have Ws on them. They have the SHIFT logo. Buy it used, maybe?

Suit should be snug - not loose. It'll break in a tad, though...
 
I have a Komodo Meso Series suit and am very happy with it. Luckily, I haven't crashed tested it. It has a lot of extra protection and other features found in higher dollar suits. They have a few AMA riders wearing their gear, and I'm sure they'd look pass the free suit if they felt it comprimised thier safety.

www.komodogear.com
 
should break in some, as far as getting in it, you have to do the "one piece jig" everyone has their own little way, getting out of its even worse, lol. funny thing, i used to own a joe rocket suit and crashed the living shit out of it on multiple occasions and never had a problem with it, but the fit wasnt great and it cut into the back of my knees when i moved onto my current bike which has a very cramped seating position. anyhoo, by no means am i deffending cheap shitty protective gear.... im very very happy with my new z custom suit.
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
Lizard 1 said:
Did you get the SHIFT suit? The knee pucks don't have Ws on them. They have the SHIFT logo. Buy it used, maybe?

Suit should be snug - not loose. It'll break in a tad, though...

The suit is new and does have the shift knee pucks. i was comparing the shift knee pucks to the other ones i have on my pants. i still dont remember the brand but know they are well known the brand starts with a W.



And yeah I need to practice putting my suit on and i look funny as hell putting it on.

good thing the zipper is in the front instead of the back. :wacko
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
thomus said:
wiz pucks prolly, i dont know how you could forget that though :D

ur right. i really did forget though. im not a WIZ you know.




actually thats been happening to me lately with regular words i know what i want to say but i forget a word WTF? :cursing
 
I have a Komodo and it is the third Komodo suit that I will have worn (one was a loner, the second I trashed in a approx 110 MPH highside into the bank at Nashville) and now my third one. The last two I had are Meso's and have the dual closer which makes getting into and out of easier!
I have a set of Komodo gloves and boots! I have to thank Mr Wilder for helping me out!!! I have to say my experience with Komodo is that for warm/hot weather climates the suits are awsome!!!! The perforations really help keep the temp down inside the suit. They have built a lot of body armor into their suits which I won't bore you with the details since it would be smarter to look at those details on their website.
Komodo's customer service is so far the most outstanding experience that I have ever encountered!!!
After my crash in the F2 race at Nashville Mr Wilder called my house to see if I was ok and if there was anything he could do for me. He asked if he could call me again when I was feeling better (I was a little out of it). I talked to hime the next day if I remember correctly and we discused the performance of the suit (which it did what it was suposed to in my opinion). Mr Wilder then asked me something that I really didn't expect which was what did I suggest to improve the suit. I made some suggestions and I was amazed at how receptive he was in regards to this. This was the first time that I have encountered a business owner who actualy cared about what his customer thought and took in suggestions/recomendations from his customers!!
They have been very helpful and I truly enjoy the gear! I will post up pictures of the gear when my new camera arrives! Or maybe I'll just use my cheapo Iraq camera.
 
I tried on a Komodo and once I kinda got it on....I felt like the Michelin man.....I now know how Dave feels.:lol
 
davegsxrold929r said:
you should not have to replace a suit after a crash., [unless it is cut off you] otherwise the suit is crap to start with.. LOL
I offered to send the suit back to Komodo to take a gander at (which I did) and Mr Wilder sent me a replacement suit out of kindness for my troubles! So basicly I sent them a suit that I screwed up at 110 or so MPH and he sent me a new one back with some extra stuff. I can't say enough about how well they have treated me! Of course I think they were also feeling a little bit patriotic!

Still I am very pleased with their suits!

I should be getting my camera sometime tomorrow so I will get some pictures of the gear and when I get a chance to try them out on the track I'll post up a review!
 
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