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It's technically impossible for an opinion to be wrong, pal.
I thought it was technically impossible for you to sound more of a brain-dead **** than you have so far, then you wrote this:

But I meant that purely from a bike riding angle. Not, obviously, when it comes to the art of road riding, which is of course entirely different.
So according to you, 1 trackday is worth 6 months road riding but then you say
road riding is completely different.

Which is it?
 

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Thanks for the abuse cainyboy. I'm literally crying my eyes out here because you're so scary. Not.

I reckon I learnt more about that bike, what it can do, and what I could (or couldn't) do on it in my first track day than I would have in months of riding on the road.

After that I was never caught out or overwhelmed by the power of the bike, nor was I intimidated by cornering fast, braking harder, leaning etc. and so wasn't preoccupied by the physical riding bit and could concentrate on the staying alive bit. I think the benefits of that, in terms of safety, are immeasurable.

However, this is off topic really.
 

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Thanks for the abuse cainyboy. I'm literally crying my eyes out here because you're so scary. Not.

I reckon I learnt more about that bike, what it can do, and what I could (or couldn't) do on it in my first track day than I would have in months of riding on the road.

After that I was never caught out or overwhelmed by the power of the bike, nor was I intimidated by cornering fast, braking harder, leaning etc. and so wasn't preoccupied by the physical riding bit and could concentrate on the staying alive bit. I think the benefits of that, in terms of safety, are immeasurable.

However, this is off topic really.
What you are not understanding is, in one trackday those things are learnt by your brain, you need to repeat them time and time again so in a panic situation your BODY knows what to do.

1 TD is not equal to 6months road experience.
 

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I'm no expert on biology, but I'm fairly sure the brain controls the body doesn't it?!

Don't get hung up on the number of months. For getting used to a bike, how it handles, stops, goes etc. TDs are a great learning mechanism. On the road I'm no angel, but I'm fairly sensible. If I hadn't done TDs early on in my biking life I might have been tempted to explore my sportsbike's potential on the road, and that could have had dire consequences.

When I'm on track it's not just plodding around at pedestrian speeds, so those things that broadly speaking might cause panic (slides, wheel locks, wheelies etc.) are repeated many many times! How anyone could argue that this isn't valuable knowledge and experience is beyond me really.

On the subject of sports bikes though, it's entirely possible to get yourself in the shit on a BMW GS, for example, so again it's more about learning to ride the bike than what type of bike it is.
 

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A race track has perfect road conditions, and you're surrounded by other motorcyclists, who are ALERT and CARE about your safety.

On the street...people dont give a SHIT about you. And they are ALL driving 4000lbs cars, just waiting to run you down. And when they finally do... they won't look back because their too busy talking on their cell phones. And the roads are full of dirt, oil and grease and deer and other invisible hazards.

So there's a HUGE fucking difference....and mixing fast bikes into the mix, doesn't really help either.
 

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I'm no expert on biology, but I'm fairly sure the brain controls the body doesn't it?!
That there shows how little you understand what Cainy is getting at. The track doesn't throw a truck out infront of you for you to deal with, or scatter horse shit on a random corner that you cant see around.
It takes time, a lot of it, to retrain your bodys survival instinct. Usually is is alway the wrong thing to do on a bike.


When I'm on track it's not just plodding around at pedestrian speeds, so those things that broadly speaking might cause panic (slides, wheel locks, wheelies etc.) are repeated many many times!
I bet Joe would have a word to say on that...;)

On the subject of sports bikes though, it's entirely possible to get yourself in the shit on a BMW GS, for example, so again it's more about learning to ride the bike than what type of bike it is.
Of course, the GS won't do the following as quickly...yet again, still not getting this are you...:wait

 

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Come on. Stop feeding the obvious troll. Wasn't LeSkid from England and get recently banned? Could this be a duplicate account trolling away?



EDIT: Looking back, the Le Skid was a canuck, so probably not him.

Chris Collins of Hillsboro Oregon perhaps?
 

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The thread should be closed at this point. Leave it up to read but close it. Every couple of months you get a guy like Bob who tries to explain why it's OK to start on a 600 or 750 because he did it and was fine, then we all chime in and explain why it's wrong. It's just beating a dead horse at this point and is no longer providing anything useful to new riders.
 
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