Why not a Sports Bike for a First Bike ?
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No, I think most here got the point.
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Regardless of what you think your point was, you ended thoughts with this...
Which is bad advice from an inexperienced rider.
Erm, where did I say that? I said "why not" ... And the crash had NOTHING to do with engine size. I could have been riding a 125 at the speed I crashed at, it was more to do with my inexperience.
It's worth pointing out that I deliberately bought a fairly cheap one to start with because I wanted to do track days and there was a good chance I might drop it. Six years on and I've still got the ZX6R. It feels a bit blunt compared to my K7 but I still love riding it.
I stand by my opinion though. Maybe we have slightly different views here in the UK? Or just bigger balls. :flipoff
I think over six years of road and track experience is probably enough to have an opinion on it. Maybe you assumed my crash was recent, or maybe I wasn't clear...
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No you weren't clear on that. Still doesn't change the fact that it's bad advice. And I'd rather a new rider be alive, than have big balls.
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:wtf HUH? It's always some stuck up prick from the UK talking sh*t about the US because we CAN have a 600, 750, 1000 as a first bike......Right? If I am correct your are the vaginas that have to start on a small bike.....which I actually think IS the right way....your shit really is ass backwards. Props on the UK interwebz balls though.
I'm intrigued (but not overly) why you think it's bad advice? After my experience on that first track day I'd actively encourage it. But that's beside the point really. The suggestion is that sports bikes shouldn't be a first bike, but to me it's totally irrelevant what the first bike is.
The important thing is learning how to ride, then you'll enjoy it more and be a lot safer as a result. I'm not entirely sure what the requirements are in the US for learners, but over here it's not exactly straightforward to get on a sports bike from day one.
The important thing is learning how to ride, then you'll enjoy it more and be a lot safer as a result. I'm not entirely sure what the requirements are in the US for learners, but over here it's not exactly straightforward to get on a sports bike from day one.
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That's the point I'm making. Here a guy who never rode a bike before can go to a dealer with no moto licence and buy a Hayabusa if he wants....I think that is just stupid. People here it seems go with a 600 sportbike as a first bike most of the time....So you preaching what we mostly practice, and vice versa.:dunno I'm confused.
Sorry GS220. It's called humour, but apologies if your butt hurts (I think I used that right? American isn't my first language).
No you're slightly misinformed about our vaginas (probably all vaginas, would be my guess?). There are different levels of training we have to do depending on the size of the bike, or more specifically the power output and power to weight. So if a total newb wants to ride a 1000 they have to complete and pass a CBT - compulsory basic training which is typically a day, plus a theory test, plus a practical test on a bike of 500cc or more.
I honestly think the difference of opinion might be a result of the different laws. I guess if I was there I might think differently? Either way, I'm not stuck up, or a prick. Not according to your momma at least. (Too much? Lol). It's all good mate I'm just messing with you.
No you're slightly misinformed about our vaginas (probably all vaginas, would be my guess?). There are different levels of training we have to do depending on the size of the bike, or more specifically the power output and power to weight. So if a total newb wants to ride a 1000 they have to complete and pass a CBT - compulsory basic training which is typically a day, plus a theory test, plus a practical test on a bike of 500cc or more.
I honestly think the difference of opinion might be a result of the different laws. I guess if I was there I might think differently? Either way, I'm not stuck up, or a prick. Not according to your momma at least. (Too much? Lol). It's all good mate I'm just messing with you.
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But how many new riders take their first bike out on a track? Next to none. If you read through the thread, I make the argument many times as to why it's not a good idea and why it is extremely relevant. I am not doing it again.
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You definitely did not understand the post ... It is relevant that a sport bike shouldn't be your first bike. Your first bike should be something that would allow the largest margin of error if you were to happen to panic. Sports/supersport bike have very little room for error.
If you panic on a 250 cc bike and accidentally WOT BC you're inexperience .. Guess what .. You won't be launching down the road at missel speed or popping a massive wheelie to the point you'll flip your bike. But on a 600+ there's exponentially higher chance of you the damage that can result when you panic.
Inexperience rider can ride:
- 600 cc + slow
-250 cc slow
It all depends on your throttle.
The MAIN THING that a lot of people don't understand is that for an inexperience rider : during the oh shit moment can quickly turn into a Holly baby Jesus fucking Christ moment in a blink if an eye while on a 600cc + and/or sports/supersport bike.
That is the main reason as to why many of the experience long time rider always recommend to start small and or not a sport/supersport bike for the newbie rider.
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Yeah it kind of sounds like we are agreeing bud. I agree that the 1300 scenario is a bit daft. Do you have to wear helmets by law? We do!
Still, over here we tend to dislike what we call the 'Nanny state' where some busy body tries to take away our rights to do the things we love just because they personally don't consider them safe. Do you get me?
Still, over here we tend to dislike what we call the 'Nanny state' where some busy body tries to take away our rights to do the things we love just because they personally don't consider them safe. Do you get me?
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Why would my butt hurt? your mother's butt should hurt from the train we ran on her ass the other night.OHHH!! .Plus I'm Italian and only American on paper so I could care less. Plus if you read what was written I wasn't calling you specifically a stuck up prick(not yet anyway) Just the majority of people from the UK that say the opposite all the time, and boast about how much your country cares about not letting people on a big bike first off. I'm am actually glad to know that was all bullshit.
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Some States yes, other States no.
No Xas, I totally get that. I've said something similar earlier about you riding the bike and not the other way around. However, if somebody learns well and gets good tuition then I don't see the problem.
Also I don't know how riding a 50cc bike prepares you in any way whatsoever for riding, say, a GSX-R1000? Even going from a 600 to a 1000 is a huge difference in power delivery etc.
I refer back to the track day thing... I got to ride as fast as I could (in other words, not very) in a relatively safe environment, so in hindsight that was probably worth about six months of road riding I'd say.
Also I don't know how riding a 50cc bike prepares you in any way whatsoever for riding, say, a GSX-R1000? Even going from a 600 to a 1000 is a huge difference in power delivery etc.
I refer back to the track day thing... I got to ride as fast as I could (in other words, not very) in a relatively safe environment, so in hindsight that was probably worth about six months of road riding I'd say.
Wrong again.
No GS you didn't call me either, but the inference was there! I'll get over it though!
Anyhow, yeah I'm not sure we 'care' as such, but we do make it harder than in the US by the sounds of it. We have to wear helmets on any kind of motorbike, but not on trikes or quads, curiously? That's pretty dumb if you ask me.
Anyhow, yeah I'm not sure we 'care' as such, but we do make it harder than in the US by the sounds of it. We have to wear helmets on any kind of motorbike, but not on trikes or quads, curiously? That's pretty dumb if you ask me.
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