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When, Lean Angle?

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As I sit here thinking about my cornering, which I am comfortable with my ability at the moment...I think about my mental barricade that keeps me from getting lower.

You know...that feeling you get when you think that you are over as far as you can go, yet you are still 6" from dragging...of course lots of things come into play (i.e. speed, body position, throttle control etc)...let's just focus on the lean angle for the sake of this thread.

The biggest thing that holds me back I guess in a question is,

"May/can you add lean angle at ANY point throughout turn?"


I ask this in order for the placebo effect to play a role for one of you to tell me yes and my confidence is pushed further.

I am sure a lot of you have felt this feeling...I do all the time...you feel that once you have that line and your lean set in, you need to stay right where you are throughout the turn.
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As I sit here thinking about my cornering, which I am comfortable with my ability at the moment...I think about my mental barricade that keeps me from getting lower.

You know...that feeling you get when you think that you are over as far as you can go, yet you are still 6" from dragging...of course lots of things come into play (i.e. speed, body position, throttle control etc)...let's just focus on the lean angle for the sake of this thread.

The biggest thing that holds me back I guess in a question is,

"May/can you add lean angle at ANY point throughout turn?"


I ask this in order for the placebo effect to play a role for one of you to tell me yes and my confidence is pushed further.

I am sure a lot of you have felt this feeling...I do all the time...you feel that once you have that line and your lean set in, you need to stay right where you are throughout the turn.
There are too many variables in play here to answer a solid yes or no.

On the street, you should never push to the point where you have no room for error or escape. So in that situation, if you are riding safely on the street, then yes, you may/can add lean angle at any point through the corner.

However, once the pace picks up, the margin or error goes out the window, and you start really pushing the bike (on the track), the amount of changes you can make mid-corner get less and less. Any change, be it lean angle, speed, BP, hand/arm/leg/foot position, and you can lowside with the quickness. The idea is to be able to make small changes as smooth as possible. For example, if I am in a long corner, and need to scrub off speed (like T1 at Roebling), I will allow the bike to run wide, keeping the same lean angle, which in turn will slow me down a bit. I will also feed in a little rear brake if I need to tighten up my line mid-corner, but that is something I don't recommend anyone trying unless you are very experienced since it can lead to very bad outcomes.
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When you lean over, you have less contact patch than when you are vertical, hence less available traction.
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Good info Chris, thanks!

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Ha! I am dumping stupid amounts of money into the house, that isn't gonna happen any time soon unfortunately.
Seriously... I need a :ban from being a fucking grown-up for a while. The first floor alone is costing me like $100k. And we haven't even started the second floor.
Exactly. Never change tire pressure to get a bigger contact patch.
I've got virgin knee sliders, but the tyres are scrubbed in all the way - I just don't get the body positioning for knee dragging although my times on the track seem to be consistent with my mates' that go through a pair of sliders in a day of riding. They claim to use it as a measure of how much tyre wall they have left, so there's never any danger of running out of rubber. Surface condition is always a factor on public roads though, but there's not that much one can do about that.
This means that you are a lot closer to lowsiding than your friends are, because they are using less lean angle for the given speeds.

Hang off more, and use less lean, and you will be good to go, and get faster.
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Yup, stay on streets as long as you can. Once the streets start to get greasy on a consistent basis, or you start spinning up on corner exits, or pushing the front a bit on entry, time to step up to some DOT race tires.
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