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Twin Engine GSXR Land Speed Racer

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Hi everyone,
This my first post. I was slacking off and surfing the net hoping to find race parts for early GSXR's and ended up on this site and then was surprised to see a recent thread on one of my race bikes. I just enjoyed my 8th year competing at the Bonneville Salt Flats, I've had some success with very large displacement Hayabusa's. I still own my first race bike, a 1986 GSXR 1100 built as a period endurance racer.

One of my mentors, Larry Forstall built my twin engine GSXR back in the early 90's. Larry built it to run in the "naked" classes without any bodywork. Other than a couple of shake down passes which were aborted due to vision problems and salt conditions, the bike has never run. The Double sat for over a decade in Pennsylvania. I met Larry in 2002, the year that I got inducted into the Bonneville 200 MPH Club and he mentioned having a twin engine GSXR in storage. I was after Larry for several years to either sell it to me or let me fix it up and race it. Bonneville has such a rich history of multi-engine vehicles, I thought the Double was very cool. I was teased with pictures at first but Larry finally agreed to sell it to me and I had it shipped up to Alberta, Canada. I will always run it as a "Beairsto & Forstall" entry. Larry is an innovator and I'm proud to own a piece of his work.

The Double uses a pair of 1986 GSXR 1100 engines, they are now 1255cc with Cosworth pistons, ported heads, Carrillo rods, Falicon cranks, Megacycle cams, 40mm flat slide Mikuni's, all the good stuff that was available at the time. Older technology for sure but horsepower is horsepower. The engines are coupled together, both transmissions are engaged.

I work overseas in the middle east and Africa, I'm not home much and it was hard trying to get 3 other race bikes ready for Bonneville. As anyone who has run at Bonneville knows, corrosion is a bitch. It doesn't seem to matter how much you clean up afterwards, it ruins everything. Having sat for so long, the bike needed some attention. I also wanted to be able to run the bike with bodywork and decided that an early GSXR competition fairing was the right choice. We replaced the wiring harness, spark plug wires, cleaned the carbs and got the front engine running fairly quickly. The rear engine gave us a little more grief but we sorted through the electrical gremlins. A seized rear custom clutch slave cylinder almost kept the bike at home, we fixed that the night before we left.

I had never driven the bike until I let the clutch out for the first time on the salt. Its very stable at speed but it is a bit of a stretch even laid out over it and the gear shift pattern is backwards.
The front engine is started using a battery cart, with the bike on a stand, I shift into 1st gear, rev it up a little and drop the clutch. The rear engine fires up and the bike gets alot of attention. I put it back into neutral, the stand is removed and I wait for the starter to give me the ok to run on the course.

I did a couple of passes on the short course to get familiar with the bike but we soon discovered a weak link in the engine's coupler. I knew with the weak idler gear that I would only be able to make a few runs. My top speed was 203mph @ only 7000rpm, the bike has alot of potential in it. I like it because its different, my Hayabusa disappears in a sea of other 'Busas at Bonneville. On my last run, we actually broke the coupler's idler gear and the loose chain caused a bit of damage but nothing that can't be repaired. There's nothing like running 200 mph and hearing bad crunchy noises coming from the coupler.

I hope to be able to run it again this year at Bonneville or El Mirage, work permitting. The bike is in a shop right now getting the coupler modified. I also need to improve the rear suspension and add some ballast for traction. It just spins the tire hopelessly at anything over 3/4 throttle. Over the winter I'd like to throw some more power at it and upgrade the 1255's, its a shame they stopped making the big blocks. We are entertaining the idea of adding fuel injection as well.

Well I should get back to work.

-Scott

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How are the engines timed? I am curious why you are running 14.1 in the lead engine and 13.1 in the rear engine?
Awesome project btw!!:cheers
Good questions!

The rear engine runs less compression so that the front engine is always the "lead" engine. As mentioned in the build somewhere, this is how Larry Forstall, the bike's original builder designed it and I'm confident to continue to run with it. We could also adjust the ignition timing etc and do the same thing, just to take the edge off the rear engine. When the engines were apart, we learned that the front and rear cylinder heads were different thicknesses, in the future we will likely shave the rear to match and have equal compression, but again at this stage, I'll just keep it as is...it works.

Although a lot of attention is spent on adjusting the carbs and cables, the engines will never be 100% synchronized. However, I believe that when they are both at full throttle, they are very close. When they are at partial throttle as I shift gears and roll into 5th, if they are not fully synchronized, I believe that one is simply pulling the other, the stronger pulls the weaker. There may be some inefficiency that transfers into heat, again now resolved by the coupler’s oil bath, but I don’t think the engines are actually battling each other to death.

Many multi-engine cars and bikes have quickly reduced themselves to expensive shrapnel, some before ever making it onto the salt, there is a lot of discussion surrounding timing the two engines so that they will work together. Some say one engine needs to be timed a few degrees out from the other using ignition or valve timing, even crank phasing. The concern is that the power pulses are going to pound the engines to the point where parts break, which is fairly catastrophic in our case at 11,000 rpm. I think this is more of an issue when the crankshafts are joined together, which is not our case. Both of the Double’s transmission output shafts are coupled together. I believe that the gear train in both transmissions absorbs the crankshaft’s power pulses. I’ve been told that my transmissions are going to fail, I’m confident that they are robust, considering the abuse that early GSXR’s around the world are still enjoying on the track. Regardless, I take my time changing gears and back off the throttle as both transmissions are shifted together.
I’ve proven that Larry’s original design works and Richard has worked out the weak links.
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I saw some progress out at Richard's shop today.
The swingarm is pretty much finished other than needing the tabs tigged on for the peg mounts and lifting spools, positions for both will be finalized once the tail is in place.
The PM rear wheel is getting studs installed for mounting the sprocket, the hub has been repaired in the past by a previous owner with timeserts and the threads are pulling out again.
Note how much of the sidewall on the left was shaved off last year on one of my runs.
The swingarm will be "chemically blackened", kind of like poor man's anodizing.
The battery box will run in its original location, just ahead and under the swingarm pivot.
Richard will get started this week on mounting the fuel cell in the rear and the structure for the long tail section.

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I thought as much. :punk Looks like an entertaining project for sure.

imagine if the cranks were phased 180 apart? the poor tire would never hook up.:lol

I just got sent this video...too good not to share.
I get goose bumps whenever I see the salt...
nice vid, thanks for sharing..:punk
The salts flats are a must do on my list.
Excellent work Scott! I think that chemically blackened isn't gonna stand up to the salt at all... i can see why you wouldn't want powdercoat with all the adjusters.
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The tail mounts are finished.
There will be some fiberglass work required to finish the tail. Also rules limit tail maximum length to 10" past the rear edge of the tire, so it needs to be shortened by 8".
I had the Yoshimura tank just sitting on a shelf and decided to put it to good use for the valve cover breathers.(Thanks Javadog!)
I also have a nice square gas tank that came with the spares for my ex-Jason McVicar R1 land speed racer, that will be mounted next week in the tail.
The plan is to have all fabrication finished in the next couple of weeks, then it's time for the body work and paint.

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More tubing and more welding...

Apparently the fuel tank I had planned on using won't fit, so now Richard will fab something up to fit in the area under the seat. Because I run in a "gas" class, the tank has to be sealed by an SCTA inspector at the ERC Fuel truck. It's nice if I can make atleast a couple of passes without running back to the truck.

The fuel pump, regulator and wiring will get moved to the tail section.

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The foot peg mounts have been welded to the swing arm. The shifter rod has to be lengthened.

Originally, we thought the coupler and the headers would be enclosed within the body. As the build progressed, it looks like they will be open but flush with the sides of the fairing.

Years ago, I was looking for a local guy who stretched Harley tanks and fenders to modify my Hayabusa's gas tank, to allow me to get down out of the wind. This was long before you could simply buy a "lowered" fiberglass tank. Craig "Bentley" Cooksley stepped up and sponsored me a custom gas tank. There was over 40 hours of metal work alone.

Bentley's Motosicle Pain Tin has graciously sponsored the paint and body work for the Double. I'll take the bike to his shop next weekend. I have some ideas but Bentley is a "free spirit", I'll likely just let him run with whatever he thinks is cool.

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Oil pressure gauges have been mounted. The Vapors will provide oil temperature, rpm, voltage, front wheel speed and rear wheel speed. I'll run a GPS too.

I've been looking forward to seeing the windshield installed...I think it looks pretty freaking cool!

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thanks for the update pics, cant imagine a more slipery shape fairing - the top looks like a pelicans head ha!
...I think it looks pretty freaking cool!
That ain't cool........... This whole project is sub-zero (and that's 0 deg Kelvin)

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Who's chain are you going to be using? Do you know how many links of chain will be used in between the jack shaft and output shaft?
Who's chain are you going to be using? Do you know how many links of chain will be used in between the jack shaft and output shaft?
I use EK 530 drag race chain (non o-ring)on the Double and Busa. I'm dropping the bike off at the body shop later today. I'll count the links and shoot you a PM.
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The area behind the front wheel needed to be mounted securely.
Richard is getting tired of welding thin wall tubing, he says there is over 60 feet of it supporting the body.

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I brought the bike home for a weekend and simply enjoyed looking at the work that had been completed.

I also had to make a comprehensive list of the repairs & modifications to be done at the body shop. I'm told it will be painted by mid-June but I expect that will slip to the end of the month. I'm going to take the easy way out and have it painted "Viper Blue" like the rest of my race bikes.

The original swingarm and a rear Honda wheel are only on there to make it a roller. The new swingarm got dropped off in Edmonton last week to get some sort of black, durable oilfield coating.

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I had hoped to add fiberglass panels below the seat area for a seamless transition from the body to the tail section, but that and a full length belly pan will have to wait until next year. I'm quickly running out of time and money. There is still lots of work to be done, including sorting out the brake and clutch hydraulic reservoirs, lots of electrical, fuel tank and pump etc.

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LOVE the ride sticker:cheers Perfect for that "ride":punk
impressive
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