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Hi everyone,
This my first post. I was slacking off and surfing the net hoping to find race parts for early GSXR's and ended up on this site and then was surprised to see a recent thread on one of my race bikes. I just enjoyed my 8th year competing at the Bonneville Salt Flats, I've had some success with very large displacement Hayabusa's. I still own my first race bike, a 1986 GSXR 1100 built as a period endurance racer.

One of my mentors, Larry Forstall built my twin engine GSXR back in the early 90's. Larry built it to run in the "naked" classes without any bodywork. Other than a couple of shake down passes which were aborted due to vision problems and salt conditions, the bike has never run. The Double sat for over a decade in Pennsylvania. I met Larry in 2002, the year that I got inducted into the Bonneville 200 MPH Club and he mentioned having a twin engine GSXR in storage. I was after Larry for several years to either sell it to me or let me fix it up and race it. Bonneville has such a rich history of multi-engine vehicles, I thought the Double was very cool. I was teased with pictures at first but Larry finally agreed to sell it to me and I had it shipped up to Alberta, Canada. I will always run it as a "Beairsto & Forstall" entry. Larry is an innovator and I'm proud to own a piece of his work.

The Double uses a pair of 1986 GSXR 1100 engines, they are now 1255cc with Cosworth pistons, ported heads, Carrillo rods, Falicon cranks, Megacycle cams, 40mm flat slide Mikuni's, all the good stuff that was available at the time. Older technology for sure but horsepower is horsepower. The engines are coupled together, both transmissions are engaged.

I work overseas in the middle east and Africa, I'm not home much and it was hard trying to get 3 other race bikes ready for Bonneville. As anyone who has run at Bonneville knows, corrosion is a bitch. It doesn't seem to matter how much you clean up afterwards, it ruins everything. Having sat for so long, the bike needed some attention. I also wanted to be able to run the bike with bodywork and decided that an early GSXR competition fairing was the right choice. We replaced the wiring harness, spark plug wires, cleaned the carbs and got the front engine running fairly quickly. The rear engine gave us a little more grief but we sorted through the electrical gremlins. A seized rear custom clutch slave cylinder almost kept the bike at home, we fixed that the night before we left.

I had never driven the bike until I let the clutch out for the first time on the salt. Its very stable at speed but it is a bit of a stretch even laid out over it and the gear shift pattern is backwards.
The front engine is started using a battery cart, with the bike on a stand, I shift into 1st gear, rev it up a little and drop the clutch. The rear engine fires up and the bike gets alot of attention. I put it back into neutral, the stand is removed and I wait for the starter to give me the ok to run on the course.

I did a couple of passes on the short course to get familiar with the bike but we soon discovered a weak link in the engine's coupler. I knew with the weak idler gear that I would only be able to make a few runs. My top speed was 203mph @ only 7000rpm, the bike has alot of potential in it. I like it because its different, my Hayabusa disappears in a sea of other 'Busas at Bonneville. On my last run, we actually broke the coupler's idler gear and the loose chain caused a bit of damage but nothing that can't be repaired. There's nothing like running 200 mph and hearing bad crunchy noises coming from the coupler.

I hope to be able to run it again this year at Bonneville or El Mirage, work permitting. The bike is in a shop right now getting the coupler modified. I also need to improve the rear suspension and add some ballast for traction. It just spins the tire hopelessly at anything over 3/4 throttle. Over the winter I'd like to throw some more power at it and upgrade the 1255's, its a shame they stopped making the big blocks. We are entertaining the idea of adding fuel injection as well.

Well I should get back to work.

-Scott

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Absolute artwork.
WELCOME to gixxer.com!
This is what we saw after the 2nd run. The chain was pretty much welded together, it must have taken alot of power to turn it. With the idler removed, you can see that there is a machined slot for it to rest in, which gives us adjustment travel. The idler mount with its bottom adjuster is quite solid. When the coupler's cover is mounted, a bolt goes from the cover and through the idler to the back of the coupler plate. So with all this, I 'd say it is triangulated. I think the design flaw was the aluminum sprocket and the lack of some sort of chain oiler. I've looked at Scott Oilers but picked up something off ebay for a go-kart, I'll modify it to dump a quart over 5 miles.
I appreciate your comments, its always good to have someone else's opinion on a solution.
I can't wait to ride the Double again. Its fun just starting it!
-Scott

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Having seen that pic, I'd say you're right. Wow, that poor chain looks like it's been through a furnace.

EDIT: Idle thought : at 10k engine rpm in top (.91) that poor little 14T idler is going to be doing ~ (10,000 * 22/(14 * .91) = ~17,270rpm.
How the *$^%^ did I miss this post ! ? AWESOME.
Probably because its like a ~6months old some updated pictures of it from Beairsto would be good though :D
this makes me want to build one myself badass bike man put that shit on youtube!
Subscribe! Thats fantastic... fantastic!
I'm in the middle of a desert some where in sunny Saudi Arabia right now....

Both engines are out of the bike now. Carolina Cycle should be shipping my new big blocks and pistons early next week. I have to farm out more and more all the time because I'm never home. My engine builder needs to finish stripping the engines, then the cases can be bored for the bigger sleeves. I'll certainly post some pictures once we start stacking the engines, they will both be 1316cc, 15:1 compression. I'm going to install a couple of Dyna 2000 ignitions as well.
Hopefully the modified coupler will hold things together, if not, we'll try another idea. I want to run the bike again this year with the GSXR fairing. If the drive train issues are solved, its getting a very slippery body next year.
BR, I have been looking at this coupler chain(fried) and have to wonder if both engines are synched up well. If both engine were 100% equal thoughout the RPM range, I dont think this chain would look like that, I wonder if one engine is carrying more load than the other.
Just a thought
With that set up, I don't think both motors can ever be in perfect synch, well for very long anyway. One will always be pulling the other; just too many variables that would drive them to be out of sync (think about the horsepower difference at any rpm between any two engines not matter how well matched). Mechanical systems would just rely on some sort of slip or over run clutch to account for the differences between the two engines. Computer control measuring output shaft rpm or some other variables would be the only way to match two engines direct coupled that way.

I am sure you are pushing the limits of that 530 chain anyway. A chain oiler may work well for you for your needs on short runs, but you may find you will need to step up to higher load chain or dual row perhaps.
With multiple engines, there is actually always a lead engine. This can be accomplished by simply changing the timing by a couple of degrees on one. As mentioned earlier, the bike was built in the early 90's and we have been trying to understand some of the reasoning behind the builder's decisions...most of them have been really well thought out. Upon tearing down the top ends, we learned that the cam specs were a little different between the engines, one head had light porting, the other was extrude honed...just little differences between the two. With the new overhaul, I'm trying to bring them a little closer. I agree, they seem to be out of synch. We've spent alot of time playing with the throttle cables. I know they are both wide open at full throttle, the problem is the bike has never seen full throttle...lots of wheel spin at anything over 3/4 throttle. 203mph at only 7 grand!! If it was easy, everybody would build this shit.
I still believe the coupler's idler was a weak design and the plan was to just lube the chain before each run. I'll see if I have a picture of the updated coupler and the new upper chain guide. I'm going to install a chain lube system as well, its going to make a mess but hopefully it will help. I've only run the bike on the short course, its got a long way to go before I trust it on the long course. I plan on retiring my Busa this year, the Double is way more fun!!
Cheers,
Scott
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This is the current coupler set up. I went with a 530 oring chain, it was a non-oring chain before, it should retain some of the lube. The idler sprocket is now steel, the old one was aluminium and it got loose on the bearing after we baked it a few times. Again, I'll add some sort of chain lube system.

All we can do is try and hopefully move forwards. I appreciate your suggestions.

Scott

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Interested, in looking at the pic above, that idler sprocket makes for a quick reverse bend. Maybe thats what is generating all the chain heat.
I think it looks good, give it a whirl. If you have some sort of cover over the coupler, you may want to try gasketing it, or sealing it with silicone to keep oil in and salt out. Keep us informed on how it works out and good luck!

Have you ever dynoed your engines? Do you check chain stretch between runs? That may give you early warning if you are exceeding the limits of that 530 chain, especially if you are going greater than your previous max of 3/4 throttle.
reminds me of a Lambretta primary chain. Of course that transfers about 12 horsepower on a good day...

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reminds me of a Lambretta primary chain. Of course that transfers about 12 horsepower on a good day...
That looks to be a double
and its in a constant oil bath?

Come to think of it, all motorcycle engines that I have seen that use a primary chain have been double or triple row
Toss the chain and use a belt instead. Some of these new big V-Twins have some wicked strong wide belts on the primary. The weight savings and elimination of a lube problem might be worth it.
and its in a constant oil bath?

Come to think of it, all motorcycle engines that I have seen that use a primary chain have been double or triple row
yes it s in oil bath , in fact with extreme tuning (230/250 cc engine ) you have 38-42 hp
but this chain is really the last problem.......
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