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Chip i like your advice, it is true a noob should not try and learn on a liter bike, just too much power. i took the MSF course (the best money i ever spent) i recomend that course it will save your life. now when it comes to R type bikes, i belive that a 600 (depends on the person) is a good starter bike. my 1st bike is a gixxer 600K5, i have only been riding since march everyday (weather permitting), and everyday i learn something new. i ride with a couple of guys here in boston that ride CBR959's, R1's and i have learned a lot from them (riding posture, braking, setting up corners, and accelirating past the apex) and now i can even keep up with them. i have never riden in the rain, (i don't think i am ready for that) i would like to master this bike on dry pavement 1st.
Also something i learned, tire presure (very important) i am 210lbs, i use 40 front, 42 rear. i found that this set up lets me break and corner as much as my nut sack lets me handle
 

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I started on a GS500E Years ago, and learned on that. I rode rain or shine, and learned my limitations with a standard bike. I then went to a sportbike. A Ninja 750 actually. From there a Gixxer 750, and now I am actually back down to a Gixxer 600 2K5. Why?? Because in the right hands, a 600 is more bike than most people can actually use. The only place a 600 really sacrifices anything is on the track where the uberfast acceleration can really put you ahead. I have a friend with an R1 that has been riding as long as I have, and is very skilled, and I never drag behind unless we are on the highway and he decides to see how fast he can go from 60-130, and even then you are only talking about a short lead. I personally think that with the new fuel-injected setups and the modern power output, (the new 600s are only a few clicks off of the old 750's and 1000s) they are more than a new rider could handle. It is possible on one of these rides to feel totally comfortable past your skill level and then find yourself in a world of hurt when the curve tightens, or a car is apexing into your lane. And by comfortable, I call this "Unconciously Incompetent," meaning you don't know that you aren't as good as you think you are.
In all honesty, you will never find the true edge of you and your bike's capabilities until you are sliding across the pavement watching your pride and joy disappear under a semi or into a guardrail. Experience is a fickle teacher, and one that deserves respect.
I personally think that anyone who wants to ride a true sportbike should not only take the Rider Safety classes, but step up to a full on track racing style class. You can learn your limits a lot safer there than on a public road, plus it is a helluva lot of fun.
Just my $.02.
New to the site, and don't expect anyone to take me seriously, but hey, ride what you like. If you want that liter bike, buy it. Your life, your decision, right?
 

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I started on a GS500E Years ago, and learned on that. I rode rain or shine, and learned my limitations with a standard bike. I then went to a sportbike. A Ninja 750 actually. From there a Gixxer 750, and now I am actually back down to a Gixxer 600 2K5. Why?? Because in the right hands, a 600 is more bike than most people can actually use. The only place a 600 really sacrifices anything is on the track where the uberfast acceleration can really put you ahead. I have a friend with an R1 that has been riding as long as I have, and is very skilled, and I never drag behind unless we are on the highway and he decides to see how fast he can go from 60-130, and even then you are only talking about a short lead. I personally think that with the new fuel-injected setups and the modern power output, (the new 600s are only a few clicks off of the old 750's and 1000s) they are more than a new rider could handle. It is possible on one of these rides to feel totally comfortable past your skill level and then find yourself in a world of hurt when the curve tightens, or a car is apexing into your lane. And by comfortable, I call this "Unconciously Incompetent," meaning you don't know that you aren't as good as you think you are.
In all honesty, you will never find the true edge of you and your bike's capabilities until you are sliding across the pavement watching your pride and joy disappear under a semi or into a guardrail. Experience is a fickle teacher, and one that deserves respect.
I personally think that anyone who wants to ride a true sportbike should not only take the Rider Safety classes, but step up to a full on track racing style class. You can learn your limits a lot safer there than on a public road, plus it is a helluva lot of fun.
Just my $.02.
New to the site, and don't expect anyone to take me seriously, but hey, ride what you like. If you want that liter bike, buy it. Your life, your decision, right?




You sir are correct........
 

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I started on a GS500E Years ago, and learned on that. I rode rain or shine, and learned my limitations with a standard bike. I then went to a sportbike. A Ninja 750 actually. From there a Gixxer 750, and now I am actually back down to a Gixxer 600 2K5. Why?? Because in the right hands, a 600 is more bike than most people can actually use. The only place a 600 really sacrifices anything is on the track where the uberfast acceleration can really put you ahead. I have a friend with an R1 that has been riding as long as I have, and is very skilled, and I never drag behind unless we are on the highway and he decides to see how fast he can go from 60-130, and even then you are only talking about a short lead. I personally think that with the new fuel-injected setups and the modern power output, (the new 600s are only a few clicks off of the old 750's and 1000s) they are more than a new rider could handle. It is possible on one of these rides to feel totally comfortable past your skill level and then find yourself in a world of hurt when the curve tightens, or a car is apexing into your lane. And by comfortable, I call this "Unconciously Incompetent," meaning you don't know that you aren't as good as you think you are.
In all honesty, you will never find the true edge of you and your bike's capabilities until you are sliding across the pavement watching your pride and joy disappear under a semi or into a guardrail. Experience is a fickle teacher, and one that deserves respect.
I personally think that anyone who wants to ride a true sportbike should not only take the Rider Safety classes, but step up to a full on track racing style class. You can learn your limits a lot safer there than on a public road, plus it is a helluva lot of fun.
Just my $.02.
New to the site, and don't expect anyone to take me seriously, but hey, ride what you like. If you want that liter bike, buy it. Your life, your decision, right?
Damn, give this man a standing ovation
 

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I am going to purchase a new 05' GSXR 600 as my "First Bike" I've worked as a motorcycle line tech for 2 years till I was laid off due to the winter season coming earlier than expected. I have helped built superbike engines for top local racers at PIR (Portland Int'l Raceway). I know what a GSXR of any displacement can do or capable of doing with the size of your wallet. Before my purchase of a GSXR-600 I am taking a Riders safety course, I have also looked in to insurance as well. $150 month is great but insurance can twice as much as your monthy. I am not a 19yr old punk, I have done my research. I will ride with gear on, not just a helmet. Its great when you have a $500 helmet to keep you alive so while you are in a wheel chair fed thru a tube you can remember that 100mph+ wheelie in front of some chick who probably isn't that good in bed before you hit that semi in front of you. What I don't understand is a 19yr old wanting to buy a litre bike. I can say is do your research with your head above your shoulders not the between your legs
 

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I am going to purchase a new 05' GSXR 600 as my "First Bike" I've worked as a motorcycle line tech for 2 years till I was laid off due to the winter season coming earlier than expected. I have helped built superbike engines for top local racers at PIR (Portland Int'l Raceway). I know what a GSXR of any displacement can do or capable of doing with the size of your wallet. Before my purchase of a GSXR-600 I am taking a Riders safety course, I have also looked in to insurance as well. $150 month is great but insurance can twice as much as your monthy. I am not a 19yr old punk, I have done my research. I will ride with gear on, not just a helmet. Its great when you have a $500 helmet to keep you alive so while you are in a wheel chair fed thru a tube you can remember that 100mph+ wheelie in front of some chick who probably isn't that good in bed before you hit that semi in front of you. What I don't understand is a 19yr old wanting to buy a litre bike. I can say is do your research with your head above your shoulders not the between your legs
Remember what I said in the other thread about noobs saying stupid shit? I'm not sure if this qualifies yet, but keep talking. Just cuz you've WORKED on bikes, now you have RIDING SKILL and EXPERIENCE to control that throttle, use the correct amont of pressure on the brakes, and get yourself out of unexpected situations?

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Hey all,
I jus joined this site yesterday, and love it. You all have some really great discussions. This one inparticular. I am in the military and deployed right now, but will be returning in about 60 days(back to Tampa). I had a Suzuki Katana 600 that i had learned on for approximately 2 1/2 years. It was great, the second day i had it i had hit a mailbox!!! LOL but it really only helped me to fully respect the bike. The bike was great to learn on(at least i think so). But about a year ago i sold the bike and am going to buy another bike when i return. I would like to get another 600, or maybe a 750 gsxr. what do you all think? Do you think 2 years is enough practice to move on up? let me know what you all think. -Steve-
 

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First two wheeler was a Speedfight 2 50cc... second two wheeler was the 100cc version. Been on my ER-5 for about two months now, I've still not managed to lose the rattle in the headlight, and I can't change smoothly all the time (heck, I lost count and dropped into first gear at some lights down the road from here, went from 20mph to about 6 in a few yards, feck) but it's a lovely bike to ride. It's my first geared bike, training schools love them (or so I'm told; I passed on a Hongdou CG125
) and it's well behaved. Unfortunately it's restricted so I can legally ride it at 17 (18 in a couple of weeks, woohoo) but it still gets 90, which isn't bad alt all, especially with me at the tiller.

Insurance wasn't a killer either, so I still have all my kidneys. The prospect of starting on a gsxr 600 or similar, as a first bike, scares me a little. This bike could quite happily kill me, if I rode like an assclown, so why hop straight onto a race bike? It doesn't sound all that logical to me, surely having a year or two on even a CB500 or something would be best, so you've got a feel for riding?

I dunno, maybe I'm too careful or something, or I'm not as keen on impressing people with a sexy new litre blade as others, but I'd rather be alive when I get to work in the mornings. Sure, you don't have to ride hte R6/gsxr/cbr as fast as possible everywhere, but it's just so damn easy to open up the throttle and watch the guy in the micra vanish into the mirrors...

Anyhoo, I personally reckon, through very little experience and what family/friends have said that 500cc commuter bikes are a pretty good way to get started. they're like a friendly labrador :p

And I will stop that friken rattle sometime.
 

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Hey all,
I jus joined this site yesterday, and love it. You all have some really great discussions. This one inparticular. I am in the military and deployed right now, but will be returning in about 60 days(back to Tampa). I had a Suzuki Katana 600 that i had learned on for approximately 2 1/2 years. It was great, the second day i had it i had hit a mailbox!!! LOL but it really only helped me to fully respect the bike. The bike was great to learn on(at least i think so). But about a year ago i sold the bike and am going to buy another bike when i return. I would like to get another 600, or maybe a 750 gsxr. what do you all think? Do you think 2 years is enough practice to move on up? let me know what you all think. -Steve-
Hi. I was in the Army for 3 years, so I feel for you. Good luck out there, stay safe.
As for moving up to a GSX-R 750...Go for it.
I bought a GSX-R750 as my first bike ever. I love it. I'm still learning how to ride, but I'm always safe and don't go more then 5mph over the speed limit, and I don't try to pop wheelies or mess around. I always wear all my gear, and am very safe. I'm not about to try to use all of the power of my gixxer. I bought it because it's a great looking bike, and i've wanted it since I was 12. Now I am in a financial situation were I can afford the bike, insurance, the gear, and classes. I rode around only in my neighborhood for the first few weeks and am no crusing (the speed limit) on surface streets. Did I mention I drive the speed limit and am safe and don't mess around.
Anyway, you've been riding for a few years now, i've been riding for a few weeks now, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get a gixxer 750, just be safe.
Come home safetly.
 

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Ok, I currently have a 2004 honda shadow aero 750 with about 6000 miles on it. I am 37, and ride about 90 miles each way to work 1-2 days a week. Its getting over 50mpg but I have the following problems:
Would like to cruise around 75 or so when traffic allows.
Have bad wind problems even with windshield.
I really like my bike because:
excellent mpg, comfortable, relaible, handles well, only $6800 OTD
I read about the SV650 any comparisons?
What about another type of sport bike but must be able to split lanes and have good low-midrange for heavy traffic.
 

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Ok, I currently have a 2004 honda shadow aero 750 with about 6000 miles on it. I am 37, and ride about 90 miles each way to work 1-2 days a week. Its getting over 50mpg but I have the following problems:
Would like to cruise around 75 or so when traffic allows.
Have bad wind problems even with windshield.
I really like my bike because:
excellent mpg, comfortable, relaible, handles well, only $6800 OTD
I read about the SV650 any comparisons?
What about another type of sport bike but must be able to split lanes and have good low-midrange for heavy traffic.
The SV650S would be a good choice for that. Better useable low range than the SS 600s and more comfortable seating position. I have both an SV and a GSX-R600 and for that kind of riding I'd pick the SV any day
Power and handling-wise it'll be a huge improvement over your Shadow.
 

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You guys have made me realize the SV650S is a very decent bike. I'm even thinking about sticking to the SV1000S for quite a while when upgrading time comes. They both look kinda ugly stock, but it only takes a lower fairing kit and lowering it about 1-2" to get me to love it.
 
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