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id skip on that. Quick google search and i found nothing but bad reviews on them.
 

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If you're going to buy Ciener products then do it through Brownell's or MidwayUSA. That way you can return a dud.

His products actually work quite well most of the time. The problem is John Ciener is a gigantic asshole. His customer service approach when dealing with someone that got a bad product is to tell them to buy another then call them a fucker.
 

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If you're going to buy Ciener products then do it through Brownell's or MidwayUSA. That way you can return a dud.

His products actually work quite well most of the time. The problem is John Ciener is a gigantic asshole. His customer service approach when dealing with someone that got a bad product is to tell them to buy another then call them a fucker.
I wouldn't buy his products from anywhere, no need to support an asshole like that.
 
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