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· Viking Foreign Affairs Attaché
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no there not my friend they have a complex that there better than you they have earned they right to ride a gixxer what a load of bollox i have 9 friends who all got gixxers , blades and r1`s as first bikes not one has been hurt or wrapped a bike all are more than competent riders and after passing there tests learned to handle there bikes alone you do the same and before anyone jumps in with a smarmy reply i highsided my bike as tyres were cold road was cold and i hit a big pot hole i learned my lesson and you will learn yours along the way :p
Hey, that is cool man. I bet you do have friends who have done that.

Similarly, I know of people that shouldn't even be riding 250cc bikes...I heard of one young kid (like, 16-17) ignoring his Dad (very experienced rider) and went ahead in buying a track prepped R1 as his first bike. Slicks, no lights, etc. One of his first rides he took it out on a wet road. Lucky he didn't die...doubt he learnt anything though, other than how to dye white undies to brown.
Any motorcycle could kill you. While a Ninja 250 can still get you into trouble, having the experienced people on the forum (of which there are many...) going round recommending litre bikes as first bikes to people we don't even know, it's just wrong. You have to work to the lowest common denominator....

If you really cannot grasp that concept and understand why it is a bad idea, then you really shouldn't be that giving info out.
It's not about being better than anyone, it's not about having to earn it, it's not about measuring dick lengths.
It is about giving good, sound information to people new to riding. Doesn't matter what has come before, who has survived learning on a ZX-14, etc.




Still, I know who I would be listening to, regarding this crucial time in someones riding life...you may have all the answers and all the knowledge around, but if you present your argument like a raving arse, with a whacking great run-on paragraph, people tend to not listen.

There's a reason people don't like the Westboro Baptist Church....;) :lol
 

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part 2 of rant as i pressed send button early why would you learn in a super car ???? you wouldnt not in my country and you aint allowed by law to learn on a high performance bike so your quote is in my eyes typicle yankee moronic spoutings of shit and you in my eyes are nothing but a bell end
do you find that funny like moron ???
dont listen to these chumps mate they all think they high and mighty and that you need years and years of experiance to be allowed to ride a gixxer you must be a god before owning a performance bike ?? what a crock of shit yeah there fast bikes but why if your drawn to sports bikes start offf with a 400cc or below cruiser sports bikes keep you switched on fully you know you cant take the piss on one or youll get hurt but ridng a vespa in the wrong way youll get hurt you only get experiance by riding and learning on the way first time u cain it youll shit yasel and learn you need to be careful get a few track days under ya belt to great fun , but dont listen to these arseholes on here saying not to get a gixxer as ya first bike youve done ya bike tests now learn your way on the road and enjoy
dont read it then you fucking prick
we aint allowed to ride anything over 125 cc in this country and theres 4 tests you need to do before passing you bike test to ride anything over 125 cc over here just be carefull my friend anyway nice to speak but ive been on this site 2 days cant be arsed with the moronic views of these so called experianced gixxer gods so i`m calling it a day and leaving stay safe my friend and happy biking:punk
Lose the attitude or GTFO, kid.
 

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Anyone who starts off on a Gsxr better have a good head on their shoulders. I started riding at 8 years old on a Honda 50, at 10 I got an 80, at 13 a 125 and so on through the years. My first motorcycle was a Honda Nighthawk 400 but I always loved the sport bikes so I went with a brand new 89 FZR 400 and if anyone knows that bike they know how nimble and quick it is. I'm 41 years old now and I bought my first GSXR back in 2005 which was a 600 and it was the only one I ever wrecked (besides the mini and dirt bikes),,,doing of all things a wheelie. I just misjudged the throttle a little bit one day and it was ass over tea kettle! I ride the 04 Mladin edition gixxer now and with 33 years experience I can still scare the shit out of myself.
 

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Anyone who starts off on a Gsxr better have a good head on their shoulders. I started riding at 8 years old on a Honda 50, at 10 I got an 80, at 13 a 125 and so on through the years. My first motorcycle was a Honda Nighthawk 400 but I always loved the sport bikes so I went with a brand new 89 FZR 400 and if anyone knows that bike they know how nimble and quick it is. I'm 41 years old now and I bought my first GSXR back in 2005 which was a 600 and it was the only one I ever wrecked (besides the mini and dirt bikes),,,doing of all things a wheelie. I just misjudged the throttle a little bit one day and it was ass over tea kettle! I ride the 04 Mladin edition gixxer now and with 33 years experience I can still scare the shit out of myself.
I've never BEEN over there; (except when someone references it) this place is enough for me and I'm glad it's where I started on forums.

I started riding late in life with a Y2K/750 and that was almost a deadly mistake. Now I ride a 31 year old bike with the same engine size but not as powerful...it can still get me in trouble though.

Thanks for the quick summary of your riding life with "scary moment" clause. :cheers


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Hello every one, I'm new to the forum and bikes, I know how to ride but never owned a bike and I'm looking to get a 93 gsx-r750 with 25k on it and the owner states
The carbs run a little rich which you notice when first taking off if the water temp is over 180. Is this a hard/ expensive fix? Would it ride the way it suppose to. Please advise on any information that could help me decide to buy this bike or not.

Thanks in advance and may you all be safe riding.
 

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Hello every one, I'm new to the forum and bikes, I know how to ride but never owned a bike and I'm looking to get a 93 gsx-r750 with 25k on it and the owner states
The carbs run a little rich which you notice when first taking off if the water temp is over 180. Is this a hard/ expensive fix? Would it ride the way it suppose to. Please advise on any information that could help me decide to buy this bike or not.

Thanks in advance and may you all be safe riding.
Wrong forum. Why would you think this is where you should ask this? Post your question in the water cooled forum instead of thread jacking here.

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16
 

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I have spent sometime reading as much as I can on this forum and found that there are some really cool people on here passing knowledge & know how. Then I read several pages of this thread and all I concluded was that there certain posters who have a know it all attitude saying something along to the lines of:

"I got X-amount of years of experience I know what I'm talking about and you cant handle an R bike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(continue "!")"

"They're not beginner bikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

IMO which is just my opinion(since I'm no know-it-all), on a 250, 500, 600, 750, 1000, 1100 you could kill yourself by going 10 miles an hour and falling with out a helmet. Dumb people will go wreck on anyone of those bikes. I started on a 600 and spent months just familiarizing myself with throttle, brake sensitivity, and clutch control.... Why is that?... Cause i want to walk, run, and LIVE.

I would say familiarization with throttle, braking, and clutch control should be stressed more then anything. Instead of the girl I know who bought a ninja 250, went to bike night, tried to mash it to keep up and instead lost it on a bend and went over the guard rail... So much for bike night. 2 nights of that you'll see wrecks of all sizes of CC not just liter but 250s and 500s as well, pretty much why I stopped going.
 

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I have spent sometime reading as much as I can on this forum and found that there are some really cool people on here passing knowledge & know how. Then I read several pages of this thread and all I concluded was that there certain posters who have a know it all attitude saying something along to the lines of:

"I got X-amount of years of experience I know what I'm talking about and you cant handle an R bike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(continue "!")"

"They're not beginner bikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

IMO which is just my opinion(since I'm no know-it-all), on a 250, 500, 600, 750, 1000, 1100 you could kill yourself by going 10 miles an hour and falling with out a helmet. Dumb people will go wreck on anyone of those bikes. I started on a 600 and spent months just familiarizing myself with throttle, brake sensitivity, and clutch control.... Why is that?... Cause i want to walk, run, and LIVE.

I would say familiarization with throttle, braking, and clutch control should be stressed more then anything. Instead of the girl I know who bought a ninja 250, went to bike night, tried to mash it to keep up and instead lost it on a bend and went over the guard rail... So much for bike night. 2 nights of that you'll see wrecks of all sizes of CC not just liter but 250s and 500s as well, pretty much why I stopped going.
You're missing the whole point. :hammer Buy a fucking turbo Busa for your first bike & show us all how stupid we are. Maybe try to actually comprehend what is being said. Even if all you read was just this page, those are really stupid comments that have nothing to do with reality.
 

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You're missing the whole point. :hammer Buy a fucking turbo Busa for your first bike & show us all how stupid we are. Maybe try to actually comprehend what is being said. Even if all you read was just this page, those are really stupid comments that have nothing to do with reality.
I'll make a deal with ya, ya old fart. haha You buy my brother a new Busa. I'll pay for the turbo and we will give it to him(It'll be his first bike.) 1000 miles within a year enough to prove your point? If he crashes I pay you for the bike and then some. If he doesn't we keep the bike. Since you are so emotionally involved with this "point" I know you'll be aching to prove me wrong. Who shall we use to draft the contract(legal paper work). Or maybe your emotion is just a derivative from not having everyone agree with you as opposed to proving the point... hmmmm. I'm done here, no back and forth for me.

Thesis remains unchanged:
Risky people will do risky things, no matter what bike. Accidents will occur when people don't respect the bike no matter what cc size.
 

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I'll make a deal with ya, ya old fart. haha You buy my brother a new Busa. I'll pay for the turbo and we will give it to him(It'll be his first bike.) 1000 miles within a year enough to prove your point? If he crashes I pay you for the bike and then some. If he doesn't we keep the bike. Since you are so emotionally involved with this "point" I know you'll be aching to prove me wrong. Who shall we use to draft the contract(legal paper work). Or maybe your emotion is just a derivative from not having everyone agree with you as opposed to proving he point... hmmmm. I'm done here, no back and forth for me.

Thesis remains unchanged:
Risky people will do risky things, no matter what bike. Accidents will occur when people don't respect the bike no matter what cc size.
Your first post does have some validity to it, obviously you can get hurt/killed on any size bike. You ride over your head and bad things will happen. Period.

But had this girl on the 250 been riding with more experienced,or dare I say, intelligent riders, then maybe they would not have been going at a pace she could not handle. When I ride with noobs I lead yet allow them to set the pace. I also make sure that they know I will not leave them behind, and INSIST that they ride at their own pace. Even with experienced riders, we all let the slower guys set the pace or set up specific meeting points along the trip so everyone knows they will not be left behind.

This is where the experience pays off. Respect gets you no where. Fuck respect. It will not keep you safe. It will not prevent a noob from making a mistake. It will not prevent someone from reacting improperly, the only thing that will do that is experience, and sometimes that isn't even enough.
 

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Thesis remains unchanged:
Risky people will do risky things, no matter what bike. Accidents will occur when people don't respect the bike no matter what cc size.
This qoute is beyond wrong, I will qoute a post of mine from another thread where I explain why R bikes are terrible for new riders, because somehow while reading this thread, you managed to not see the obvious so far.

Because it is less forgiving to a new rider, and the mistakes a new rider does make. I will give a few examples.

Keep in mind all the GSXR's whether it is 600cc,750cc,1000cc, they are all race bikes that have lights installed to make them street legal. Being a race bike, they are tuned and designed to respond to the most minute inputs, which in turn, makes them a dream to drive for an "Experienced" rider. However, in the hands of a new rider, mistakes in input, which ALL new riders make, I do not care how responsible or godly talented someone is, is magnified greatly.

The brakes on these bikes are amazing. Anything more than a gentle tap on the rear brakes and you can lock them up quite easily(they are designed for use on a track with hot tires and optimal road conditions, which you will not have on the street). Locking up the rear brakes as a newbie rider on a race bike usually ends up with the rider high siding. And taking a dump into the road or another vehicle is the last thing you want to do.

Having no experience on the road with a bike, you do not yet know all the situations you can face on a daily bases.

Say you are going down the road and someone in opposing traffic does not see you and turns left cutting right in front of you're path(one of the most common causes of a moto crash). You have been riding for a month or two and think you got the hang of controlling you're new bike, but when this situation pops up, 8/10 times, being a new rider you "Will" panic and grab too much brakes(simply because it is soo easy to do so on these bikes, and if you are in a panic and inexperienced, you most likely will).

Grab too much front brake brakes in this situation, and you are launched forward as the bike bucks you off and flips. Grab too much rear brakes and the back wheel locks, and with a new rider with very little experience, you will most likely high side from not keeping the bike straight.

That is just one of many situations you can face on a daily bases and a very very common one.

I would say the throttle control can also bite you in the ass, 2-8.5krpm and you may think, hey, this is manageable and you may start to feel comfortable with it. However say you hit a bump in a turn or something that may make you grab a handful of throttle whether you want to or not(being a new rider, most likely you will be gripping the throttle more that you should, and with a bump, you will end up turning it more than a 1/4 inch). This happens and all of a sudden you hit that powerband for the first time(it is a little higher up on the 600 and can surprise you even fi you know it is there), if you are in the turn with little experience, it will not end good. Even in a straight away a pothole sending a newbie riders deathgrip straight in the powerband can send you screaming into the vehicle in front of you or causing you to freak out and turn the bars slightly and spill in the road.

Yeah alot of people say you can take it easy, and "Respect" the bike and you can be alright, but on the street, conditions are ALWAYS against you. Whether it is the cagers not seeing you, debris in a turn or in the road, oil or slick conditions, and even more so when you are still learning to ride a bike.

Riding a motorcycle on the street is constantly rolling dice, and you always want to put the odds more and more in you're favor. Having good control of you're bike is #1 first thing you can do to have things more in you're favor, and if you are a new rider on a race bike, good control you do not have.

Alot of the things on the road are outside of you're control, so you want to put yourself in the most favorable condition that you can. That is why the arguement that "Respecting the Power" of you're bike and "Taking it Easy" are null and void.

I have only given a couple examples of how these bikes can really bite a newbie in the ass, but will list more if you want.

Now if you get a sport/touring bike, even something with 750cc, and spend a season or two on it getting familiar with balance, control, and drilling emergency manuevers into you're body so when the time comes you act accordingly, future panic situations on an unforgiving race bike will not end with you in the hospital or worse.

A more forgiving bike requires alot more input to control and is alot nicer to rookie mistakes. You will have much more room for error in The above examples I gave if you're bike is not a race bike.

Also another benefit is you can actually ride the bike more to it's full potential if it is more newbie friendly, which is alot more fun than just trying to survive on something you will never fully tap into on the street.

You will also learn much faster on a vehicle that you can tap more into, this is undeniable, 1 month on a 500cc, and you will be better than you would with 6months on a GSX-R600 as you're first bike.

And after a season or two if you bought used, you can sell it for basicly what you got it for, and then buy you're gixxer and be a much better rider because of it. Also with race bikes being for "Experienced" riders, you will have ALOT more fun on the bike when you have a good foundation built riding bikes, because in the hands of an experienced rider, they are amazing machines and alot of fun. In the hands of a newbie, they do not last long, or are never truelly tapped into and enjoyed.

Do not get me started on how much more it will cost you to drop a gixxer as opposed to dropping a 500cc-650cc without fairings.

This is the first bike I owned in my name, and I learned the most on it. Also being designed for touring, it was an extremely comfortable ride for long trips as well as in town.


Most of the people on here with more experience than me would recommend an sv650, or a gs500. I have not riden either, but have heard nothing but great things about both machines for beginner use, especially the Sv650.

As someone greater than me once said, you do not know what you do not yet know.
 

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I have spent sometime reading as much as I can on this forum and found that there are some really cool people on here passing knowledge & know how. Then I read several pages of this thread and all I concluded was that there certain posters who have a know it all attitude saying something along to the lines of:

"They're not beginner bikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"I got X-amount of years of experience I know what I'm talking about and you cant handle an R bike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(continue "!")"
IMO which is just my opinion(since I'm no know-it-all), on a 250, 500, 600, 750, 1000, 1100 you could kill yourself by going 10 miles an hour and falling with out a helmet. Dumb people will go wreck on anyone of those bikes. I started on a 600 and spent months just familiarizing myself with throttle, brake sensitivity, and clutch control.... Why is that?... Cause i want to walk, run, and LIVE.

I would say familiarization with throttle, braking, and clutch control should be stressed more then anything. Instead of the girl I know who bought a ninja 250, went to bike night, tried to mash it to keep up and instead lost it on a bend and went over the guard rail... So much for bike night. 2 nights of that you'll see wrecks of all sizes of CC not just liter but 250s and 500s as well, pretty much why I stopped going.
So let me ask you this then.

If everyone else who says it is a bad idea (their opinion) is wrong or "being a know it all" yet when you throw in your 2 cents, it (your opinion) is more valuable than the "know it alls"?

Also, a lot of the people that you are saying are very helpful are also the same people that are saying it is a bad idea to start on an R bike. Why are those people bad guys when they spread the knowledge of starting on a smaller bike, yet they are good guys when they help someone get their bike started or their suspension adjusted properly?
 

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This qoute is beyond wrong, I will qoute a post of mine from another thread where I explain why R bikes are terrible for new riders, because somehow while reading this thread, you managed to not see the obvious so far.
*Quote, it's even in the lower right hand corner of every post, you clicked on it to quote GI-John and yourself.

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