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Hello folks,

This is going to be the lame post of the day but it's something that's bothered me and I have not had luck finding decent images online to help. I'm curious to the proper orientation of the kickstand when it's deployed. Mine is nearly vertical; there's so little angle to it that if I don't take up the drivetrain lash (bike is always parked in first gear), the lash is greater than the throw of the kickstand and the kickstand will fold up if the drivetrain lash it not removed prior to deployment. Is this normal? I'd expect the kickstand to extend more forward, which would also lean the bike over a little more (it's pretty vertical as well).

A variable: when I bought the bike, the kickstand had been shortened. I purchased what was to be a used kickstand off ebay but I'm wondering if it's not the correct one for the bike. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated, thank you.
 

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Hello folks,

This is going to be the lame post of the day but it's something that's bothered me and I have not had luck finding decent images online to help. I'm curious to the proper orientation of the kickstand when it's deployed. Mine is nearly vertical; there's so little angle to it that if I don't take up the drivetrain lash (bike is always parked in first gear), the lash is greater than the throw of the kickstand and the kickstand will fold up if the drivetrain lash it not removed prior to deployment. Is this normal? I'd expect the kickstand to extend more forward, which would also lean the bike over a little more (it's pretty vertical as well).

A variable: when I bought the bike, the kickstand had been shortened. I purchased what was to be a used kickstand off ebay but I'm wondering if it's not the correct one for the bike. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated, thank you.
I have a K6 1000 Gixxer and an 04 Busa. Hard to tell from that picture. But that looks like a Busa kickstand. And they are known for having the fold up issue. If your bike is lowered you should modify the kick stand to give you some lean. If you send a close up from the side of the kickstand I can tell you what you have...
 

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I enlarged that picture. That looks like the right kickstand from what I can see from the top. And looks to be on about the same angle forward as mine. If you're that was for a K5 or 6 and it folds up to easy. maybe there's a problem with the base. Bent a little?
 

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Seeing that the previous owner shortened the kickstand makes me think that the suspension of the bike is lowered? That would definitely explain your issue, the kickstand itself doesnt appear to be any different than the one on my k6
 

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Seeing that the previous owner shortened the kickstand makes me think that the suspension of the bike is lowered? That would definitely explain your issue, the kickstand itself doesnt appear to be any different than the one on my k6
I don't think that has been shortened. But it probably should be if the bike has been lowered.
 

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I don't think that has been shortened. But it probably should be if the bike has been lowered.
A variable: when I bought the bike, the kickstand had been shortened. I purchased what was to be a used kickstand off ebay but I'm wondering if it's not the correct one for the bike. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated, thank you.
 

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Not sure what you're getting at here. I did say that after blowing the picture up that looks like a stock K5 or 6 kickstand. And also said if the bike is to vertical when on the stand the bike has probably been lowered. Not sure why the stand folds up to easily as stated in the first post.
 

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The distance from the c/l of the pivot to the tip of the stand is 11 15/16". Yours does look original but that pic isn't that informative. There should be two springs with one nested in the other. The stand can wear at the pivot. You can remove and check the pivot bolt to make sure that there isn't any wear on it. You can also add shims to tighten things up and reduce the side to side wobble. I'm not sure where "drivetrain lash" is being measured. On mine the chain can move about 3/4". The base is mounted to the frame by two M10 flange head screws that tend to seize in place. The screws have a shallow hex socket drive that can strip when turned. If it comes to that, a vice grip or channel lock can be used on the head but they'll then have to be replaced. There are a couple slots nearby in the frame that might allow penetrating fluid to be sprayed onto them from the inside to ease things.

I've been interested in a lightweight alluminum stand for my K6 for years. But all I can find are those adjustable height stands intended for lowered bikes. I wish someone would reproduce the OEM stand, including the bottom pad, in aluminum. The K7/K8 kickstand is significantly heavier and works well as a boat anchor.
 

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Hey guys, thank you for all of the great replies! I didn't mean to cause confusion. The bike was lowered so the PO's (my friend) wife could ride it on occasion. It went back to stock ride height when I bought it, but it retained the lowered kickstand. I bought a used kickstand off ebay and put that on. Thus, stock ride height and what we think is a stock kickstand.

Regarding the drivetrain lash, in first gear, if I move the bike longitudinally from all the way rearward to all the way forward, the bike moves over 2" (see vid). It sounds like this might be excessive based on what Bill said. Hmm.

I don't have any reason to believe the stand is worn or anything, it functions well. I just expected more throw. I found the old shortened kickstand and it appears to be the same in every way (sans the height).

I took some pics and a vid, please let me know whatcha all think.

First pic is a better shot of the kickstand. I tried to stand directly in front of the shifter.

Second pic is how the kickstand looks if the bike rolled forward while in first gear

Third pic is length of the kickstand. I wasn't sure what part of the tip would be correct for the measurement (I'd forgotten the spec while taking the pic) but this gives a pretty good ballpark idea. Edit: upon re-reading Bill's spec, the mounting-bolt C/L to the most lateral (outer) tip of the kickstand toe is just shy of 12", just as Bill noted. 👍

Here's a vid of the drivetrain lash. Bike's in first gear, and is moved longitudinally from where it stops to where it stops (lash, in my mind). I have about 2.5", far more than Bill's 0.75". Hmmmmmm. Link:

Drivetrain lash

Anyhoo, I was hoping to get a general idea if this looks normal or if the kickstand was incorrect (seems like it might be application correct). Now I'm wondering about forward drivetrain movement while in gear if anyone can further comment on that (Bill's .75" vs my ~2.5")

Again, I appreciate all the replies. :)
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The kickstand and the angle when it's full forward look correct. My 06 only goes to the drag strip. Pretty flat there so that isn't a concern. But I do keep that in mind when I park my Busa anywhere. And I am in the habit of putting it in 1st. moving the bike forward till it stops. Then laying the bike over on the stand. Chain adjustment, chain and sprocket wear can have an effect on how far the bike will move back and forth when in gear. A worn Crush Drive can also make that distance larger too. (ABSORBER, HUB SHOCK) as Suzuki calls it...
 

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Mine was on a rear stand so it was easiest to measure the movement of the chain relative to the frame as I rocked the wheel back & forth. But I took it down for you and measured the movement of the kickstand pad relative to the ground as I moved the entire bike back and forth. I got the same 2 1/2" movement as you.

There was another lean angle thread here about three weeks ago. I have a cheap AliExpress digital inclinometer that said mine leans at 12° on the stand.
 

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I have a K6 1000 Gixxer and an 04 Busa. Hard to tell from that picture. But that looks like a Busa kickstand. And they are known for having the fold up issue. If your bike is lowered you should modify the kick stand to give you some lean. If you send a close up from the side of the kickstand I can tell you what you have...

owned a gen one boosa for decades, never seen one fold up, have you?
 

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Thank you again for all the info guys (and Bill, thank you for doing the comparable measurement). It sounds like it's normal; I just wanted to make sure I could not improve the dynamic.

Thank you again gents. (y)
 
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