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Re: How bout a 12\'oClock 101?

i have a secret. learn brake control on a smaller, more forgiving, less expensive, and overall lighter weight FIRST. example. xr50. xr80 (for those that want to learn the clutch). klx110. something that is going to require you to use balance and brake control, instead of power and momentum. AFTER you've dialed in balance point wheelies on your play/practice bike, start learning to slow them down. This process will take longer for those that have jobs, it took me about a month no job, no dl, just a fiddy. THERE IS ANOTHER CATCH, all of these pit bikes will require you to be sitting down and learning balance side to side and vertical. ONCE YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS. you begin on teh big bike.

LEARN SIT DOWNS FIRST. cover your brake. start from 5-10 mph. depending on bike/gearing you will need to "DUMP" the clutch harder than your used to. maybe consider setting a fast idle at around 3k, depending on bike. ALSO PULL UPWARDS, or make a graceful movement into the swept back 12 position. most guys "tuck up" and try and look over the windshield, it's never gonna happen. HANG OFF THE BIKE/BARS, you'll be looking throught the space in between you ram intake tube and your front wheel. STAY ON THE GAS BUT NEVER EXCEED 30, staying slow keeps you safe and your bike, well.... THIS WILL TAKE TIME AND LOTS OF DEDICATION. depending on how dialed you are on other machines I would def recommend a scrape bar just cuz it's convienant and leaves you w/ options, compared to blasting tail/light/subframe and having 500lb comin at ya. so anyhow, STAY OUT OF TRAFFIC, you will crash, dont let them see, or have an oppritunity to run you over. pick the same stretch of rode and learn the pitch and grooves. RUN 20 psi. CHECK ROADS FOR "ROUNDNESS", this is def i a factor in weight shifting, also thick paint stripes will pitch you funny sometimes. LEARN TO RIDE THEM OUT BEFORE YOU PARK, then parking will be so natural and easy the rest of the "parking/scraping" tricks will come in less than a week. So you learned to ride sit down twelves, park, and bar tricks in 3+ months.

STAND UPS. begin w/ left foot on pass. peg, right foot on brake, obviously. AGAIN USE YOU BODY ENGLISH to YANK UP the bike even though your really not lifting shit. I cant tell you how crucial this is with any kind of wheelie or stoppie for that matter. IT WILL COME UP A LOT QUICKER, but you'll be ready on the brake. THIS SHOULD COME VERY QUICKLY, the hard part was sit downs, now your not holding on so damn hard. LEARN TO LAY OFF BRAKE, your probably on your 3 or 4 set of pads by now. SET IDLE HIGH AGAIN, to provide a constant drive of power that you can disengage anytime by pulling in the clutch, yes, cover the clutch w/ one finger. ANY YOU WILL LEARN PRECISE THROTTLE CONTROL, because w/ sit downs you'll always be on the gas and resisting w/ the brake, stand ups are easier to coast or idle at a constant speed. FOOT IN BAR is again a huge shift in weight displacement, your now standing on the bike instead of holding on. It's so different in fact that initially learning to yank it up will feel unnatural until you feel the stance. STAY UNDER 20, make it 15 to be safe. you'll be fine but your stator, starter gear, and crankcase threads won't. NTH, NO HANDERS, OTHER SHIT is easiest when learned w/ foot in bar. CONGRATS YOU CAN NO DO SLOW WHEELIES, and now know balance point, brake control, throttle control, 3 different stances, and a couple other things. YOUR BIKE IS TRASHED, and you realize that everyone can do em by now. DAMN IT, you say. what's next? CIRCLES, GOOD LUCK!!!

ALWAYS WEAR YOUR GEAR, 12's are much safer but can still get ugly quick. I've hit my helmet several times, hard, losing a 12. I NEVER RECOMMEND RPM, sorry, figure it out. STAY ON THE GAS, during sit downs. ALWAYS FILM, ALWAYS. even if it is a whole bunch of crashing, that's what most want to see anyways.
 

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Re: How bout a 12\'oClock 101?

I would first build a 12-o-clock bar. so you dont loop it. here is a pic of my buddy Tony parking on a 900 RR 12-O-clock

 

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Re: How bout a 12\'oClock 101?

Did you check out the date of the post you was replying to?

I think it's REAL old...
It's good to see you are in here reading the sticky post though, I like that, too many guys get on here and ask questions without doing any reading so you'll end up reading the exact same question 10 times.
 

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Re: How bout a 12\'oClock 101?

Hey I went 2 down on the front sprocket and got a 01 R6 sprocket that was 5 teeth up from the stock GSXR rear sprocket and just ground out the middle a little and a little on the holes and it fit.... now I twelve my GSXR 600 all day long in 2nd and 3rd.... I found 1st way too twichy to get it right... also get a twelve bar that is adjustable so you can make it like 10:30 or 11 just to get uste to being up that high the go to twelve when you are cool with the vert.
 

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rgvgixer said:
Hey I went 2 down on the front sprocket and got a 01 R6 sprocket that was 5 teeth up from the stock GSXR rear sprocket and just ground out the middle a little and a little on the holes and it fit.... now I twelve my GSXR 600 all day long in 2nd and 3rd.... I found 1st way too twichy to get it right... also get a twelve bar that is adjustable so you can make it like 10:30 or 11 just to get uste to being up that high the go to twelve when you are cool with the vert.
that dont sound right at all.......

you want your bike to be at 12 or past it.... makes it more stable.
 

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I have to agree with an earlier post on here. If you do not want to mark up your bike, then do not stunt. At one point or another, you bike is going to pick up a sign that if has been stunted on. I have had 3 rear brake light covers ripped off from wheelies and I had to replace one rear fairing. If you are wanting to pull great 12's, you are going to more than likely need to gear your bike. 2 down in the front, maybe 5 or 6 up or more in the back. A 12 bar also might be in order. Deflation of your tire also is needed. Now on a late model stock 600, you CAN pull 12s in 1st gear using the clutch. Its EXTREMELY twichy though and I do not recomend it.
 

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Re: How bout a 12\'oClock 101?

i have a 00 gsxr 600 with a yoshi rs-3 slipon (soon to go full with the jets). my bike is lowered and im having trouble getting my wheelies up. I can clutch it up a little and i can pop it up a little but no first gear full throttle powerband wheelies. My stoppies are almost down but i really want to learn wheelies and standups. If u even can on a 600. Please help!!!
 

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i have a 00 gsxr 600 with a yoshi rs-3 slipon (soon to go full with the jets). my bike is lowered and im having trouble getting my wheelies up. I can clutch it up a little and i can pop it up a little but no first gear full throttle powerband wheelies. My stoppies are almost down but i really want to learn wheelies and standups. If u even can on a 600. Please help!!!
600's will whelie just fine,you prob will have to clutch it up. You also need to raise the bike back up...
 

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lifted the bike back up today. found factory dog bones at a salvage yard and me and my friend raised the front up. I love it like this . take it to 3-4 grand slam the throttle boom thats it its coming up faster then i ever thought. thanks everybody.

looking for more people to ride with in columbus ohio.
 

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Ok...To do a 12...hmmmm...Got it!! Do a regular wheelie just like you normally do. Now....this is the tricky part...JUST BRING THE BIKE UP HIGHER!!! DUH .I'm no pro....but just find your BP with the bike at 12. Easier said than done...but that's how ya do it!!!
 

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Re: How bout a 12\'oClock 101?

I have a 2000 GSXR 750 that is -1 +2 and I have been practicing 12s lately. The slowest wheelie I have managed to pull off consistently is 67mph in 3rd gear. When the bike reaches 12 you will know it and you may let off the throttle pretty fast. I dont use by back brake. The key for me is body position and throttle control. Once the bike is at twelve it will seem like someone has put it in cruise control because the engine feels as if it is no longer producing tourqe. I try and keep my arms as straight as possibel and let my rear drop down, this helps to pull the bike back and you dont have to play with the throttle much when its at 12. When it does reach 12 its going to feel like the bike is dancing all over the place from left to right and vice versa. I cant manage to do it in 2nd because my throttle is too twitchy. I have a friend who can do 1st gear wheelies on a 1000 at 47mph!
 
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