I'm not familiar with these, but from what you describe, maybe you can run a tap in the slider so the threads are the right size? And use a allen socket with a torque wrench to torque them properly?
Gripes about Yoyodyne
So I got my frame sliders in today, one day earlier then the tracking number said they would, so I thought everything was good. I hear all these rave reviews about Yoyodyne and how awesome they are, so Im feeling good and think things will go smoothly with the installation.
Well, Im a bit of a finatic about how things look on my bike, so I want the little label on the plastic part to be horizintal instead of just at any random angle. So I try puting the slider on the base and it only goes half way on. The thing just freezes up on the base. I still have almost 1/8 of an inch of threads left before the slider sits flush on the base. Well, after some grunting I get the slider off teh base and take a look inside, and there is little plastic shavings coming off,like the threads on the inside of the slider were not cut large enough to fit on the base. The thread pitch and spacing is correct, but its just too tight.
Well, I figured I could fix this by trying to force it on there then loosening it to clean out any plastic shavings until it finally goes on smoothly and fits flush, but I cant get it past half way on.
So now Im getting pissed. I figure I will just install the bases and drop the sliders in boiling water to soften up the plastic and they will go on like butter.
So when installing the bases, they go on nicely, unfortunately the hole that the bolt slides through is too small to fit my allen head socket into so I can properly torque the bolt. Now I have the bases on but only tightened as tight as I can get with a 6" allen wrench that could barely get to the bolt because it is so sunk into the base.
This is total crap! What kind of respectable company puts out a product that cant be properly installed?
I am very mechanically inclined, and installing frame sliders should be the simplest thing to do, but apparently Yoyodyne didnt want this to be a straight forward job.
So now my questions are:
1) How do I properly torque the bases when I can not use a torque wrench becasue the socket can not fit into the base?
2) So sonce I can not install the slider flush with the base, how do I go about fixing this? Heat up the slider so I can get it on there, but never get it off?
These sliders are about ready to go in the classified section if I cant get them to work.
I knew I shoud have gone with the Woodcraft sliders.
Well, Im a bit of a finatic about how things look on my bike, so I want the little label on the plastic part to be horizintal instead of just at any random angle. So I try puting the slider on the base and it only goes half way on. The thing just freezes up on the base. I still have almost 1/8 of an inch of threads left before the slider sits flush on the base. Well, after some grunting I get the slider off teh base and take a look inside, and there is little plastic shavings coming off,like the threads on the inside of the slider were not cut large enough to fit on the base. The thread pitch and spacing is correct, but its just too tight.
Well, I figured I could fix this by trying to force it on there then loosening it to clean out any plastic shavings until it finally goes on smoothly and fits flush, but I cant get it past half way on.
So now Im getting pissed. I figure I will just install the bases and drop the sliders in boiling water to soften up the plastic and they will go on like butter.
So when installing the bases, they go on nicely, unfortunately the hole that the bolt slides through is too small to fit my allen head socket into so I can properly torque the bolt. Now I have the bases on but only tightened as tight as I can get with a 6" allen wrench that could barely get to the bolt because it is so sunk into the base.
This is total crap! What kind of respectable company puts out a product that cant be properly installed?
I am very mechanically inclined, and installing frame sliders should be the simplest thing to do, but apparently Yoyodyne didnt want this to be a straight forward job.
So now my questions are:
1) How do I properly torque the bases when I can not use a torque wrench becasue the socket can not fit into the base?
2) So sonce I can not install the slider flush with the base, how do I go about fixing this? Heat up the slider so I can get it on there, but never get it off?
These sliders are about ready to go in the classified section if I cant get them to work.
I knew I shoud have gone with the Woodcraft sliders.
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1st of all, if your having any problems, call Fred and let him know about it, he will fix it. I have no problems with the sliders or the tie down fitting correctly. Regarding the allen head, my socket attachment is long enough (don't know the brand) so you might have to take a trip to the local sears store.
njracer
njracer
BTW - once you found out you had a problem, did you call Yoyodyne/Fred and ask him about it? You know, every now and then thing come out fucked up and or you were sent the wrong part.
Call Fred in the morning, I'm quite sure he will make everything right.
OTOH - out of the two sets I've purchased (one for the 04 600 the other for the SV) I've had now problems at all. The gf even dropped the SV the other day and the frame sliders did the job.....no damage to the frame and the only damage was the signal and brake lever.
I still back these sliders and the service Fred offers.
njracer
Call Fred in the morning, I'm quite sure he will make everything right.
OTOH - out of the two sets I've purchased (one for the 04 600 the other for the SV) I've had now problems at all. The gf even dropped the SV the other day and the frame sliders did the job.....no damage to the frame and the only damage was the signal and brake lever.
I still back these sliders and the service Fred offers.
njracer
Im using Craftsman allen sockets. Im not sure what you have, but these are just too fa,t I guess, to fit. Yes I could take a dremel to the inside of the bases to bore them out, but I shouldnt have to do any modifications to get these to work.
I could also get a cheap allen wrench, cut it about 2 inches long and throw a 3/8 socket on that to torque them, but again, I say I shouldnt have to.
The slider part is just confusing to me. The threads are so big on there its impossible to cross thread. And since all the plastic/derilin sliders seem to be "universal" I would think that they would have perfected these.
I dont know whats up. I recieved the correct parts. The bases are for the Suzuki GSXR600/750 2004, and there is no specific application for the slider, so Im baffled how I somehow got two wrong pieces.
Not to mention, the bolts I got with the bases I believe are BENT!!!!! Normally when a bolt goes in or out of its placement, it comes out nice and smooth with no wobble to it. Both my bolts that came with the bases had a wobble to them going in. I could see the thing moving up and down as I threaded in teh bolt by hand (well, by allen wrench). Yeah, it went in smoothly without any cross threading, but whats up with that? How did I manage to get every bad piece to come out of the factory?
Ill give Fred a call tomorrow to tell him all my problems. Unfortunately tonight I got home late from work and had to finish geting my FZR ready for my Track day on Saturday, so I didnt get to "install" the sliders until 8:30 or so.
I could also get a cheap allen wrench, cut it about 2 inches long and throw a 3/8 socket on that to torque them, but again, I say I shouldnt have to.
The slider part is just confusing to me. The threads are so big on there its impossible to cross thread. And since all the plastic/derilin sliders seem to be "universal" I would think that they would have perfected these.
I dont know whats up. I recieved the correct parts. The bases are for the Suzuki GSXR600/750 2004, and there is no specific application for the slider, so Im baffled how I somehow got two wrong pieces.
Not to mention, the bolts I got with the bases I believe are BENT!!!!! Normally when a bolt goes in or out of its placement, it comes out nice and smooth with no wobble to it. Both my bolts that came with the bases had a wobble to them going in. I could see the thing moving up and down as I threaded in teh bolt by hand (well, by allen wrench). Yeah, it went in smoothly without any cross threading, but whats up with that? How did I manage to get every bad piece to come out of the factory?
Ill give Fred a call tomorrow to tell him all my problems. Unfortunately tonight I got home late from work and had to finish geting my FZR ready for my Track day on Saturday, so I didnt get to "install" the sliders until 8:30 or so.
So you don't have the right tool to do the job. They make longer allen sockets, or you can cut a regular allen wrench off and use a socket like you said. There isn't anything wrong with the way they are designed from the way it looks, you just don't have the right tool to install them. Pain in the ass yes, but not that big of a deal and hardly their fault that your socket doesn't work. As for the shroom, hard to know without looking at it. That could be a manufacturing problem, or maybe they are supposed to go on tight so they don't fall off?
Alright I emailed Yoyodyne to find out just waht was up and heres how it went:
Me to Yoyodyne:
Hello Fred and Yoyodyne,
I recently purchased a set of frame sliders for my 04 GSXR750 and for some reason I can not get them to mount properly. I am having 3 problems.
First, I can not get the plastic/derilin slider to fully tighten on the base. I have a 1/8 inch gap between the base and the end of the slider. The threads seem to be cut at the correct pitch and spacing, however, I dont think it was cut large enough. The slider gets binded up somewhere and gets stuck. Whenever I remove the slider, some plastic shreads start falling out of it because the threads on the base are cutting into the plastic.
Second, I can not properly torque the bases onto the bike becuase I can not fit my allen socket into the base. The hole that the bbolt goes through on the base is apparently too small to fit a proper tool in there so I can get it torqued properly. I am using a 3/8 drive socket, so it is nothing out of the ordinary.
Third, the bolts that were supplied with the bases, I feel, are bent. When removing the factory engine mount bolts they came out nice and smooth. The bolts I recieved with the bases went in smoothly, however, the head on the bolt went up and down, up and down, as I threaded it into the engine mount. While I do not feel any threads were damaged from this, I still have concern with it becase these bolts are designed to not only hold my eiggine in the frame, but are supposed to support a blow if the bike were to fall over.
I feel that somehow I recieved every bad part to come out of your factory. I do not understand how I managed to get sliders that can not screw onto their bases, bases that can not be properly torqued to the bike, and bolts that are bent. How is this possible?
I would like to exchange these for a new set so that I can live in comfort knowing that if my bike falls over, teh products I have purchased to save it will perform like they should.
Sincerely,
Tom DeCoste
Yoyodyne back to me:
The sliders have a tapered thread to lock the mushroom onto the base.
Use a strap wrench to fully tighten them. The initial machined ones would go
on as you expect these to, but were prone to vibrate off. Think of the
mushrooms as a giant lock nut.
The craftsman socket you are using is too short. Snap on makes them with
longer bits, or you can use a normal Allen wrench to get down in the hole.
Hook a box end wrench over the short arm for more leverage.
Run out on bolt heads is a characteristic of a forged part. As long as it is
not hitting the counterbore, this should not be an issue.
If the run out is still bothering you, send it back, and we will take a look
at it.
So I guess Ill try what they are saying I should do. Did anyone else here have to use a strap wrench to get their slider on the base?
Me to Yoyodyne:
Hello Fred and Yoyodyne,
I recently purchased a set of frame sliders for my 04 GSXR750 and for some reason I can not get them to mount properly. I am having 3 problems.
First, I can not get the plastic/derilin slider to fully tighten on the base. I have a 1/8 inch gap between the base and the end of the slider. The threads seem to be cut at the correct pitch and spacing, however, I dont think it was cut large enough. The slider gets binded up somewhere and gets stuck. Whenever I remove the slider, some plastic shreads start falling out of it because the threads on the base are cutting into the plastic.
Second, I can not properly torque the bases onto the bike becuase I can not fit my allen socket into the base. The hole that the bbolt goes through on the base is apparently too small to fit a proper tool in there so I can get it torqued properly. I am using a 3/8 drive socket, so it is nothing out of the ordinary.
Third, the bolts that were supplied with the bases, I feel, are bent. When removing the factory engine mount bolts they came out nice and smooth. The bolts I recieved with the bases went in smoothly, however, the head on the bolt went up and down, up and down, as I threaded it into the engine mount. While I do not feel any threads were damaged from this, I still have concern with it becase these bolts are designed to not only hold my eiggine in the frame, but are supposed to support a blow if the bike were to fall over.
I feel that somehow I recieved every bad part to come out of your factory. I do not understand how I managed to get sliders that can not screw onto their bases, bases that can not be properly torqued to the bike, and bolts that are bent. How is this possible?
I would like to exchange these for a new set so that I can live in comfort knowing that if my bike falls over, teh products I have purchased to save it will perform like they should.
Sincerely,
Tom DeCoste
Yoyodyne back to me:
The sliders have a tapered thread to lock the mushroom onto the base.
Use a strap wrench to fully tighten them. The initial machined ones would go
on as you expect these to, but were prone to vibrate off. Think of the
mushrooms as a giant lock nut.
The craftsman socket you are using is too short. Snap on makes them with
longer bits, or you can use a normal Allen wrench to get down in the hole.
Hook a box end wrench over the short arm for more leverage.
Run out on bolt heads is a characteristic of a forged part. As long as it is
not hitting the counterbore, this should not be an issue.
If the run out is still bothering you, send it back, and we will take a look
at it.
So I guess Ill try what they are saying I should do. Did anyone else here have to use a strap wrench to get their slider on the base?
I'm one of the people who help Fred out with R&D on products and provide him with a lot of feedback on how to improve them.
Yes, the craftman allen sockets are too short to use with these sliders, but I've had this happen a lot before which is why I got a better set of tools. I standard allen wrench fits with no problem there and provides plenty of leverage to get it plenty tight.
I started using these sliders about 3 years ago when they first came and lost a billion mushroom caps. I even tried using LockTite on em but they would just vibrate loose. They fixed last after I brought it up with Fred.
This year they tapered it more for an even snugger fit. I just used some extra muscle and it goes on.
YoyoDyne's products are always very cutting edge, so they do require some time on the market before they are perfect, and still they continue to develop. His PP-Tuning rearsets are constantly changing with updates and each time I order a set I find something changed in which I personally brought up with Fred and said would be 'nice to have', etc.
Yes, the craftman allen sockets are too short to use with these sliders, but I've had this happen a lot before which is why I got a better set of tools. I standard allen wrench fits with no problem there and provides plenty of leverage to get it plenty tight.
I started using these sliders about 3 years ago when they first came and lost a billion mushroom caps. I even tried using LockTite on em but they would just vibrate loose. They fixed last after I brought it up with Fred.
This year they tapered it more for an even snugger fit. I just used some extra muscle and it goes on.
YoyoDyne's products are always very cutting edge, so they do require some time on the market before they are perfect, and still they continue to develop. His PP-Tuning rearsets are constantly changing with updates and each time I order a set I find something changed in which I personally brought up with Fred and said would be 'nice to have', etc.
Well, I got them on, but even with the strap wrench they were a bitch to get flush on the bases. And when they were on, the label/name that is raised up on the mushroom isnt lined up right. And even though that is one of those things that will get on my nerves, I think Ill just let it go becasue I dont want to take them off again.
As for torquing the bases, I just bought a $.99 allen wrench, chopped off the bent part and threw it in a 5/16 socket to torque it properly.
I dont doubt that these will work, but I never thought something as simple and brainless as installing frame sliders would be such an ordeal.
As for torquing the bases, I just bought a $.99 allen wrench, chopped off the bent part and threw it in a 5/16 socket to torque it properly.
I dont doubt that these will work, but I never thought something as simple and brainless as installing frame sliders would be such an ordeal.
Adam is right about the old caps falling off. My buddy has an older set and they just spin on and off. I have a newer set on my street bike and yes, they were tough to get on but I managed to work through it just like you did.
When I first saw those I didn't think they'd hold up in a crash, I think that 'lil peg would grind off or crack into pieces...
That's a real bitch since these are the ones that convert to tiedown eyes, so now you have this problem every time you convert them. They should have just put a screw right through the base of the shroom and into the base itself to hold onto it. That's what CFM did and it works like a charm.Well, I got them on, but even with the strap wrench they were a bitch to get flush on the bases. And when they were on, the label/name that is raised up on the mushroom isnt lined up right. And even though that is one of those things that will get on my nerves, I think Ill just let it go becasue I dont want to take them off again.
As for torquing the bases, I just bought a $.99 allen wrench, chopped off the bent part and threw it in a 5/16 socket to torque it properly.
I dont doubt that these will work, but I never thought something as simple and brainless as installing frame sliders would be such an ordeal.
Yeah, thats why I liked the Woodcraft ones. These definately are a bitch to get tight, and hopefully they dont rattle loose. I dont think they will if I cant get them off with a strap wrench, but you never know.
its patented (or pending)They should have just put a screw right through the base of the shroom and into the base itself to hold onto it. That's what CFM did and it works like a charm.
VTEC EATER - Sucks that you had these problems man but it's not from a poorly designed product. I have the same sliders with blue caps. The plastic is a bitch to tighten, not a problem though. I used a thin piece of rubber, it's actually what you would use to remove the lid off of a glass jar if too tight. That thing worked great! I also used snap on allen sockets which worked like a charm.
Yes I too am a fanatic about the emblem lining up correctly, so what I did was tighten down the bases then tighten down the cap however far off it was I took the cap back off and moved the base until I thought the cap would sit straight once tightened down, it took two tries. As far as caps loosening up from being taken off and put back on, I have had no problems at all. So you should be golden!
Good luck bro and enjoy that BIKE!!!!!!
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Yes I too am a fanatic about the emblem lining up correctly, so what I did was tighten down the bases then tighten down the cap however far off it was I took the cap back off and moved the base until I thought the cap would sit straight once tightened down, it took two tries. As far as caps loosening up from being taken off and put back on, I have had no problems at all. So you should be golden!
Good luck bro and enjoy that BIKE!!!!!!
People, becareful with frame sliders with those metal base. I recently went down on my bike and had the vortex sliders (the ones with the replaceble pucks on the end, similar to the yoyodine) and sunovabitch dug right into my frame almost snapping the frame mount off.
I am switching sliders immediately
Here is an example of what i am talking about
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I am switching sliders immediately
Here is an example of what i am talking about
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