Sam makes a public safety thread/ends up with talk of The Terminator movies.
What is the question that you need an answer to?Thank you very much Anthony D,
I respect your concern for new riders, but I have been trying to get this answer for years and it seems like it is hard to get past the sarcastic and antagonistic responses due to the unreasonably high frequency of squids.
Further, is there somewhere better to discuss this with you experienced riders so my questions and your answers do not distort the mind of inexperienced motorcycle riders reading a stickied post?
Once again, thank you,
2. Second question is this. Say I get a CBR300R or SV650. Regarding the post about sticking to lines and road hazards, how do these handle differently then say a 600/750 gixxer in those mid-turn situations (The 1000 is a stupid and childish decision and perhaps 600/750 would be too)? I am curious as to their difference in steering, suspension, etc... and would appreciate humble and honest opinions regarding this
This is something I wonder about. Coming from the dirt I am used to hitting stuff a lot and riding on packed snow in AK has giving me some good throttle management, however, I am curious as to the difference in sensitivity and rear-wheel management. For instance, if you turn to sharp, go to fast, or give too much throttle on the packed snow (its more or less like ice) you go down. On the other hand, because of knobby tires a little bit of slide is not only normal and expected in the dirt, the bike is designed to handle that type of riding. Further, I feel that trail riding and unwanted weather conditions (rain/mud, snow, ice, creeks) inherently cause dirt-riders to develop a good sense of balance and understanding of not over correcting (if I am wrong please tell me). So my question: if I hit a pothole with a gixxer 750 and my hand nibs (not so much turns) the throttle will this give a ton of feedback? Also, from your experience thinking back, how much "grabbing" of the throttle should be expected when hitting these kinds of obstructions? Further, from your experience how is hitting a pothole or uneven road on a street bike different for potential disaster from that of hitting whoops, branches, or small jumps on the dirt??Hit a bump/pothole/dip/whatever on a small-cc bike, and when the jolt causes you to mistakenly romp on the throttle not much will happen. Hit that same bump/pothole/dip/whatever on a supersport, and when it causes you to romp on the throttle by mistake, it can stick you in the ground like a golf tee.
Regarding this, how can ABS help this and does any of the gixxers offer this with the 2015 or earlier models, particularly with the 750, which is what I have my eye on currently.Same with the brakes. The brakes on a supersport are much more sensitive to input, and are pretty easy to hit too hard and lift the rear wheel, or lock the rear wheel. On a smaller-cc bike or non-supersport, they allow for a much harder grab without it putting you on the pavement.
^This. Which bike did you start on? What dirt-bike/experience did you come from? and looking back, while keeping my situation and experience in mind, would you have done anything different.Going from dirt to street will give you an advantage of how the bike is operated but that's about it. Even in that regard a dirt bike and sport bike is 2 totally different machines. There is so much more going on in the streets that it's like a whole different world. Giving yourself as much room for error as you possibly could is the single best thing you can do while making the transition...I was confident when shopping for my first bike as I too came from off-road experience, but was like a wet cat when I first got on the open road
I will definitely take note of this. A question I would ask you is whenever I go to look at buying my first bike and test driving a 750/600, how can I accurately measure this issue. What are some everyday situations that would be similar to doing a figure eight, or tight places? What is a slow-turn considered (e.g. turning into a parking space, turning in-to or out-of gas station pumps, or turning right at the stop light?) and is there anyway to get sufficient practice with this, say in an empty parking lot or driveway? Also what are common causes of a bike being dropped or laid over while going sub 5mph and what can I do to avoid this?A smaller bike will be much easier to handle and maneuver. When you take the MSF class notice how easy it is to flick those night Hawks from left to right and doing the figure 8's inside the box. A GSXR will not feel like that. The bike is very top heavy and hard to maneuver in tight places and slow turns. The riding position is also a learning curve as its much more performance oriented.
^This. I cannot stress how much this comment rings true and means to me. When I took a step back and thought about all my other hobbies, this is what I realized. Riding is a hobby and a privilege. Further, we know from every other hobby in the world, especially as Americans, that we will not be fully and life-long satisfied with our first purchase and we will most assuredly at some point buy another. Of course some may use bikes as daily drivers, but if you honestly will never have fun why not get a 250? You go 60 miles longer a tank for 6 dollars less (60-70 mpg on a 3.5 gallon tank vs. 30-40 mpgs on a 4.5 gallon tank).Take your time learning, it is a marathon, not a sprint.
This is the crap I am talking about. I do not appreciate that wiseasss remark. I have posted that I have in fact a lot of experience, and I have dropped my CRF230F standing still with my feet on the ground and it weighs 2/3 the weight of a gixxer. We are talking about a bike that ways almost 400 pounds. If the bike is truly top heavy (the reason I asked about sub 5mph drops) and it starts to fall over you will most likely not be able to catch it with your one leg (especially if you are short) and it will end up hitting the ground. I wish you would read more of the comments and take into consideration all the scenarios and context of my input because these are the kind of remarks that stop new riders from asking questions and then make a bad decision because they are feeling picked on or unappreciated. I, DrHaire, appreciate your comment because I think you are truly intent on helping, but over the internet and past posts it may not come across this way to a less mature member.your questions show that you have very little experience on two wheels. less than 5mph drops? put your feet down...
This on the other hand is taken very well and is a much appreciated and respected comment. Thank you for ending with this for it really helps the overall perspective of your post.just be safe
we are talking about a bike that weighs almost 400lbs! Exactly! weight to power ratio buddy. these bikes are light for a reason. most athletic people lift 400lbs one way or another every day in gyms. you just gotta ride the 400lbs bro. not squat it. you want a 1000 but you dropped a bike that weighs less. im not short so i dont know the issues shorter guys face but i constantly have only one leg planted and the other on footpeg. i dont even think about it. and if i feel like i might fall...i put my other leg down. i wasnt being a wiseass. i was legitimately solving your issue.This is the crap I am talking about. I do not appreciate that wiseasss remark. I have posted that I have in fact a lot of experience, and I have dropped my CRF230F standing still with my feet on the ground and it weighs 2/3 the weight of a gixxer. We are talking about a bike that ways almost 400 pounds. If the bike is truly top heavy (the reason I asked about sub 5mph drops) and it starts to fall over you will most likely not be able to catch it with your one leg (especially if you are short) and it will end up hitting the ground. I wish you would read more of the comments and take into consideration all the scenarios and context of my input because these are the kind of remarks that stop new riders from asking questions and then make a bad decision because they are feeling picked on or unappreciated. I, DrHaire, appreciate your comment because I think you are truly intent on helping, but over the internet and past posts it may not come across this way to a less mature member.