But a 250/300 isn't fast enough!!!
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Superbike/Superstock 1000 Superpole Results (All on Dunlop tires):
1. Cameron Beaubier (Yamaha), SBK, 1:37.247, best top speed in Superpole 190.747 mph
2. Roger Hayden (Suzuki), SBK, 1:37.949, 188.554 mph
3. Josh Hayes (Yamaha), SBK, 1:38.343, 185.708 mph
14. Elena Myers (Suzuki), SBK, 1:42.648
Moto2
1. Alex Rins SPA Paginas Amarillas HP 40 (Kalex) 1m 36.549s
2. Tito Rabat SPA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 36.686s
3. Mika Kallio FIN Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 36.865s
Moto3
1. Danny Kent GBR Leopard Racing (Honda) 1m 40.703s
2. Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 40.791s
1 Marc MARQUEZ Repsol Honda Team Honda 343.6km/h 1’31.884
August 7, 2015
Superbike/Superstock 1000 Superpole Results (All on Dunlop tires):
1. Cameron Beaubier (Yamaha), SBK, 1:37.247, best top speed in Superpole 190.747 mph
2. Roger Hayden (Suzuki), SBK, 1:37.949, 188.554 mph
3. Josh Hayes (Yamaha), SBK, 1:38.343, 185.708 mph
14. Elena Myers (Suzuki), SBK, 1:42.648
Moto2
1. Alex Rins SPA Paginas Amarillas HP 40 (Kalex) 1m 36.549s
2. Tito Rabat SPA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 36.686s
3. Mika Kallio FIN Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 36.865s
Moto3
1. Danny Kent GBR Leopard Racing (Honda) 1m 40.703s
2. Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 40.791s
1 Marc MARQUEZ Repsol Honda Team Honda 343.6km/h 1’31.884
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Same here when it comes to the mag. I always read his reviews on bikes but didn't know he was that talented nowadays.
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Awesome video :thumbup Reminds me of that ninja 250 on Laguna Seca
In my mind, this proves what has been said soooo many times out here: that 99.99% of riders will actually be better / faster riders on a smaller bike.
On a 1000, I build-up more speed on any straight but then I'm guessing which brake marker I can wait until, before bleeding-off my speed. Then I'm guessing when to let off the brakes to settle-in to the turn, then RE-accelerating in the turns until I've reached the end of my courage.
Then I watched the guy in this video. Watch him at 1:45 as the brake markers approach.
I'm not a pro. Managing my speed up & down wastes MORE conscious effort than simply focusing on my lines and BP. My next track whore will be a 600... and even then, I should still probably go for a smaller twin.
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In my mind, this proves what has been said soooo many times out here: that 99.99% of riders will actually be better / faster riders on a smaller bike.
On a 1000, I build-up more speed on any straight but then I'm guessing which brake marker I can wait until, before bleeding-off my speed. Then I'm guessing when to let off the brakes to settle-in to the turn, then RE-accelerating in the turns until I've reached the end of my courage.
Then I watched the guy in this video. Watch him at 1:45 as the brake markers approach.
- 3....... still wide open.
- 2....... still wide-open
- 1....... stil wide-open and throw it into the right-hander
I'm not a pro. Managing my speed up & down wastes MORE conscious effort than simply focusing on my lines and BP. My next track whore will be a 600... and even then, I should still probably go for a smaller twin.
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Yeah I'll keep this in mind when reading his review on how a bike handles.
For real, this is from the video description:
"To cover Chuckwalla’s 2.7 miles and 17 turns Ari averaged 81 mph, just 11 mph slower than a stock CBR300’s outright top speed of 92 mph. And, of the less-than two minutes it took to do the lap, the bike was wide open for one minute eleven seconds, or 60 percent of the lap."
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Yeah small bikes are pretty damn sweet . I loved my girls Ninja 250.
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Pretty sweet.
But to be clear that was lap record for the class, not the track.
1:46 by a 1000 has the track record.
But to be clear that was lap record for the class, not the track.
1:46 by a 1000 has the track record.
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So did I. Yeah my lady had an 08 Model when they first redesigned it and that bike was a blast to ride! I'm definitely considering that class if I ever decide to go racing again. Folks don't realize how much fun they are! I wish I could have a go on one of the new 300s.
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This thread has great potential to end-up being stickied, as a resource to point noobs at when they announce they're looking for an SS as their first bike.
I'm seeing the littler bikes as a no-brainer option for learners but for old timers, only under 2 out of (my) 3 main riding scenarios:
track / sport riding: Hell yeah
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I've been riding since the early 80s but I'm sure if I had one of these smaller bikes, I'd be a MUCH better rider within 4-5 track days.
short-mid range commuting
I'd give them a pass but probably a 7/10. An older fuck like me, who has only really ridden big bore bikes for 30+ years would definitely find 'em fun to tool around on, yes. For practical purposes (gas / plates / insurance / tires) they're a no-brainer. The issue I could foresee is that I'm spoiled with big-bore torque and gearing, which makes stop & go traffic much less work / shifting, as has been discussed out here many times. This isn't an issue for younger riders though, who without the benefit of decades of muscle-memory and clutch/brake/throttle finesse, are as likely to wad-up a supersport in traffic as they are to arrive at work / school safely.
Big rides
When I go for a day ride, it's around 50 minutes of slab / secondary routes to get to where the twisties begin up north. Same thing to come home. So if I bother, I'll ride for 5-6 hours up there to make it worthwhile.
I've sometimes become impulsive when I get far enough west of Montreal and ended-up popping in to say hi to my folks (300 miles away).
This is the only application where I can't see an R3 cutting it. Smaller ergos, smaller tank / range, higher revs etc.. don't sound to me as a relaxing big-ride mount.
Final caveat... many of us older fucks might be slightly 'more developed' around the waistline. I go up & down between 190 - 205. I wonder if a 500 twin would deliver the same fun / learning experience as a 250-300, with just a little more oomph to haul a fatter ass around?
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I'm seeing the littler bikes as a no-brainer option for learners but for old timers, only under 2 out of (my) 3 main riding scenarios:
- track / sport riding
- short-mid range commuting
- big rides
track / sport riding: Hell yeah
unk I've been riding since the early 80s but I'm sure if I had one of these smaller bikes, I'd be a MUCH better rider within 4-5 track days.
short-mid range commuting
I'd give them a pass but probably a 7/10. An older fuck like me, who has only really ridden big bore bikes for 30+ years would definitely find 'em fun to tool around on, yes. For practical purposes (gas / plates / insurance / tires) they're a no-brainer. The issue I could foresee is that I'm spoiled with big-bore torque and gearing, which makes stop & go traffic much less work / shifting, as has been discussed out here many times. This isn't an issue for younger riders though, who without the benefit of decades of muscle-memory and clutch/brake/throttle finesse, are as likely to wad-up a supersport in traffic as they are to arrive at work / school safely.
Big rides
When I go for a day ride, it's around 50 minutes of slab / secondary routes to get to where the twisties begin up north. Same thing to come home. So if I bother, I'll ride for 5-6 hours up there to make it worthwhile.
I've sometimes become impulsive when I get far enough west of Montreal and ended-up popping in to say hi to my folks (300 miles away).
This is the only application where I can't see an R3 cutting it. Smaller ergos, smaller tank / range, higher revs etc.. don't sound to me as a relaxing big-ride mount.
Final caveat... many of us older fucks might be slightly 'more developed' around the waistline. I go up & down between 190 - 205. I wonder if a 500 twin would deliver the same fun / learning experience as a 250-300, with just a little more oomph to haul a fatter ass around?
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Seriously considering purchasing a CBR300R tomorrow...
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I'd like to buy a 250/300 purely for track
I'll have to try and convince the lady lol
I'll have to try and convince the lady lol
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If I decide to go out and get it today, it will be double duty for sure.
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Personal opinion here (please be kind)... track wise I'd fully agree that unless you are _really_ good a litre superbike isn't your best bet - I think I'd be quite scared of riding mine on the track and I'm sure my lap times would suffer.
However, on the street while I think a CBR300 would be fun, I think I'd get fed up pretty quickly of having to "ring it's neck" all the time and most likely get caught out overtaking and keeping up with traffic sometimes - basically I'd be too lazy to ride it well all the time.
Now having jumped onto my wife's SV650 I think it's a perfect starter big bike for the road, it's comfortable, easy to ride and more than enough power for any new rider.
But... after being on the Thundercat 600 for 10 years and coming from my current GSXR1000 I did find the SV650 lacking that massive power boost you get on the bigger bikes. Do you need that, no? Do I want it - hell yes Would I recommend a sports bike for a new rider - no!
However, on the street while I think a CBR300 would be fun, I think I'd get fed up pretty quickly of having to "ring it's neck" all the time and most likely get caught out overtaking and keeping up with traffic sometimes - basically I'd be too lazy to ride it well all the time.
Now having jumped onto my wife's SV650 I think it's a perfect starter big bike for the road, it's comfortable, easy to ride and more than enough power for any new rider.
But... after being on the Thundercat 600 for 10 years and coming from my current GSXR1000 I did find the SV650 lacking that massive power boost you get on the bigger bikes. Do you need that, no? Do I want it - hell yes
Would I recommend a sports bike for a new rider - no!
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Correction: unless you're maxing out the capacities of a modified 600 (AKA eliminating 99.99% of riders), a litre superbike is not your best bet.
A 250 or 300 would be a good bike to wring out on a small track, it'd be more challenging on a large track. That's why a 600 is a good compromise for those larger tracks, though you'll occasionally have the beast rider on a 300 passing you.
A 250 or 300 would be a good bike to wring out on a small track, it'd be more challenging on a large track. That's why a 600 is a good compromise for those larger tracks, though you'll occasionally have the beast rider on a 300 passing you.
Not that I don't agree that one would be a solid choice for a first bike, but that's not exactly a great argument for someone not getting bored with one considering 99% of riders will only be street cruising, where the lack of power will still get old real quick for most.
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