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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 05-29-2019, 05:10 PM Thread Starter
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Is The Traction Control A Waste Of Time ?

I've had my 2018 for 2 months and hate the TC. It just seems to sap the power, with no gains to the rider

At the weekend we went over to Fuertaventura. First half of day was just daft quick stuff, not requiring much real skill. But when we got to the mental mountain twisties, I had the first chance of the day to try the traction control. It really is a waste of time. It has more than 10 settings, but tried it on 4 at first. Felt like it was on 3 cylinders everytime I came out of hairpin and tried to power up the hill. Tried it on 2 and still felt about 40% down on power. Flat as a fart.

Turned it all off and hey presto. It drove really hard out of every hairpin and I could pick the bike up faster and get it on the fat part of the tyre. Then unleash the 200 gee gees and let the front wheel float for 50 yards or so when it hit the sweet spot.

If my wrist could handle 100% of the power, why did the computer only give me about 60% ? . It was 32c and hot sun, so no problems with grip.

Even with TC on 2, the engine doesn't have enough power to lift the front wheel in second.

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Re: Is The Tractin Control A Waste Of Time ?

I'm not sure if I'm worthy enough to respond since I only wrestle with 158HP. I'd tell you to leave the TC off completely but then again I've never ridden a 200HP bike.


Cool story though.
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Re: Is The Tractin Control A Waste Of Time ?

Do some research on the new era t/c systems with IMU's. Way more sophisticated that you would imagine. (2015+r1; BMW 1000RR; 2016+ Zx10R; RSV4; 2017+ CBR1000RR; 2017+ GSXR1000; etc).
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Re: Is The Tractin Control A Waste Of Time ?

I had my front end floating out of most corners on settings 3 4 and 5, you do have to open it up pretty wide to get that drive though. Is your chain adjusted properly and cleaned/lubricated?
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I had my front end floating out of most corners on settings 3 4 and 5, you do have to open it up pretty wide to get that drive though. Is your chain adjusted properly and cleaned/lubricated?

That's interesting. I wonder if mine has a fault ?

And the bike has only done 800 miles so chain is OK
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Is your ECU stock or flashed?
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Is your ECU stock or flashed?
Stock.
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Stock.
I bet this is your issue. ETV map is really restricted on OEM ECU map.
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Sounds like a good reason to send your ECU to Karns Performance for a flash... lol
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Sounds like a good reason to send your ECU to Karns Performance for a flash... lol
Yep!!!

Look at picture it explains why.
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Yep!!!

Look at picture it explains why.
So are we being cheated ?

It feels fast as fuck when TC is off. Fair bit more power than my 2013 model.
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So are we being cheated ?
You're being nanny stated.
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Yeah. Get it flashed correctly (by Jason at KarnsPerformance) and check your chain. Don’t assume everything is good just because it only has 800 miles.
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Re: Is The Tractin Control A Waste Of Time ?

at 800 miles the chain will have stretched the most that it will in a single interval if it hasn't already been adjusted.
yes at high rpm it closes the butterflies and rolls the power off, the reason is to give you a natural falling over feel so you shift up and maximise the torque curve.

also, in stock form I've seen these bikes first hand (100% stock, standard tyres etc) do 1:35s around phillip island, with traction control set to 3.
the asbk bikes do it in around 1:32 so you're really not leaving much on the table, and that is a damn fast track (motogp hit 340-350kmh on the front straight), josh waters was using a low level of traction control as well on the island.

if you think its a waste of time you don't know how to utilise it. the bikes quicker with TC on than off on most track when ridden by professional riders.

definitely worth it, but 100% agree with getting it flash by Karns performance, they also take some of the low rpm bucking out from what I've read

also, you see how you said float the front wheel, that's exactly what the TC is eliminating, it's one of its jobs to keep the front wheel down, or in lower settings it'll let it carry a little.
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So are we being cheated ?

It feels fast as fuck when TC is off. Fair bit more power than my 2013 model.
Is your bike EU/UK version? If yes, it has full power maps from the factory. US models have restrictions.
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Re: Is The Tractin Control A Waste Of Time ?

Poster appears to be on the other side of the Atlantic.....while he could mail his ECU to Jason, it might be better to work with a more local to him tuner. As mentioned too, the EU GSXR's aren't limited to the degree US bikes are, so if that ETV map is from a US bike it's likely not applicable to the OP's use case.
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