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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 12-10-2018, 12:28 PM Thread Starter
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1000R and Lithium Battery Question

Hi, my name is Michael,
I'm new to the forum, and new to the bike, I got a 2018 1000R and decided to swap the battery (which is lead, despite the bike being announced with Lithium) for a Lithium battery (like I did on my other bikes) as a cheap way to save a few pounds.. I got myself an Antigravity battery, the YTZ-10S equivalent and mounted it with no problems.
On my first ride, the bike seemed to work fine, but after about 10mins the ABS light started flickering, bike stuttered, and then the speedo displayed zero, and both the ABS and Traction Control lights came on. Bike was running fine, but no ABS and TC.
I checked the sensor, and couldn't find anything by visual inspection. Before taking the bike apart to measure the sensor at the connector (under the airbox - sigh!), I swapped in the original battery and went for a test ride again. Everything was fine! None of my other bikes had a similar problem.

My question is, did anyone swap their battery for a Lithium and it worked fine? This would be on a 1000R with ABS still on the bike.

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Hi look forward to the replies you get as I’m looking to do the same in the future. 👍
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post #3 of 24 (permalink) Old 12-10-2018, 01:57 PM
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

Those types of gremlins can happen when you have a loose battery cable. Maybe you you installed it slightly loose? or maybe the battery terminals are bad internally?
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

It was definitely not a loose battery cable, I used serrated washers on the terminals, they were tight. Internally loose cables? Possible, hard to check without cracking the battery open.
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

the lithium batteries can fail internally quicker than a lead acid one because there is wires inside that can come loose.

i switched to a ballistc with no issues.

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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

Hmm interesting, battery was brand new, and issue started 10 mins into a ride over a less than perfect (bumpy) road. Now I feel like taking the battery apart and find out
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Hmm interesting, battery was brand new, and issue started 10 mins into a ride over a less than perfect (bumpy) road. Now I feel like taking the battery apart and find out
send it back if you take it apart they wont do any warranty just talk to them

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the lithium batteries can fail internally quicker than a lead acid one because there is wires inside that can come loose.

i switched to a ballistc with no issues.

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I am also using Ballistic with no issues.
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post #9 of 24 (permalink) Old 12-11-2018, 01:26 PM Thread Starter
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

Thanks for all your responses.
I just checked Ballistic's website, and it seems like they're shutting down operations.

I'm currently testing another theory, I retraced all my steps in mounting the battery in the first place, and found that I used a wrong bolt to mount one of the cables to the battery post.
The bolt was from the original battery and was tight, but bottomed out, so the cable could have been loose.
Maybe cdcom was right all along
I rode into work this morning, and so far no issues, but more testing is needed.
I'll update the thread with my findings.
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

I installed a Earth-X lithium battery in my '17 1000R during its first service and haven't had any problems at all since. I like the Earth-X lithium battery because it has a built in cell balancer.
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

That's one of the reasons I bought the Antigravity, it has a built-in BMS protection against over-/under-charging, and cell balancing.

I did a one hour ride during lunch time, and fingers crossed, everything worked fine.
For now, I'm going with user error, connecting one cable with the wrong bolt to the battery pole.

Thanks everyone for your responses.
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

You've had a few months since post. Are you still problem free because I am having the same issue now. Thanks in advance.
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

Can I ask how much weight you saved ? And how much it cost you ?
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Can I ask how much weight you saved ? And how much it cost you ?
Probably saved a couple pounds but the cost is relative to where one lives.
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Probably saved a couple pounds but the cost is relative to where one lives.
Bike and rider probably weight 600 pounds, so an expensive saving of 2 pounds seems a bit strange.
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Can I ask how much weight you saved ? And how much it cost you ?
For a yuasa lead acid battery i was quoted $200 for factory replacement (best deal i could find on the YTZ10S, was quoted up to $349)
$300 for a high end lithium with cell balancing and surge/short protection
weight saving is about 2kg with this particular battery (R has small battery from factory), for a normal size bike battery its 3-4kg, its handy as a bi-product, but unless its a race bike its kinda pointless, the main reason for wanting one is the fact they don't discharge when sitting idle, also they tend to hold a higher cranking capacity compared to AH than lead acid.

cons - dangerous if shorted/overcharged/overdischarged, cannot use normal charger, must use a lithium type charger.

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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

LOL you can get a ghetto brand LA battery for like 80 bucks here in Canada. Left it in all winter and it still works.
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Re: 1000R and Lithium Battery Question

I was going to buy a Lithium for my K5 1000 but two of the battery shops i spoke with advised me to stay away from Lithiums for now as the technology isn't quite there yet for some older bikes. I also heard 2 stories of them overheating while riding on a couple of bikes. Has anyone used a Lithium on any older models with success?
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I was going to buy a Lithium for my K5 1000 but two of the battery shops i spoke with advised me to stay away from Lithiums for now as the technology isn't quite there yet for some older bikes. I also heard 2 stories of them overheating while riding on a couple of bikes. Has anyone used a Lithium on any older models with success?
I've used lithium batteries on both my K6 and my 2008 B king for years with complete success so far. Both were Ballistic brand.

I'm using a Shorai lithium in my KTM 1290 with good results also.
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LOL you can get a ghetto brand LA battery for like 80 bucks here in Canada. Left it in all winter and it still works.
you can get cheap ones here too for around the $100-120 mark but not in the factory R size, or i could build my own if i really wanted to.
I've worked with lithium batteries since 2003, i want one with an inbuilt cell balancer and short protection, they produce a chemical fire thats near on impossible to put out if shit goes sideways.
cheap ones are just a battery, no circuit protection, no inbuilt balancing and no voltage cutoff = accident waiting to happen

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I was going to buy a Lithium for my K5 1000 but two of the battery shops i spoke with advised me to stay away from Lithiums for now as the technology isn't quite there yet for some older bikes. I also heard 2 stories of them overheating while riding on a couple of bikes. Has anyone used a Lithium on any older models with success?
that's complete bullshit, maybe issues with cheap batteries perhaps, but lithium cells have been commonplace since early 00s in other systems, the techs good to go, I've had one in my k3 since 2013/14.
as always look for a reputable brand though, but so long as your voltage doesn't spike, an older bike should be fine

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