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rock river arms 1911 or similar 'budget' 1911's

does anyone have any experience with the rra 1911's?
i have read many reviews, and many people have nothing bad to say about them, which is certainly a good sign.

i was looking at a springfield mil spec or the taurus pt1911, but ive seen those rra's go for $300!
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I am also interested in picking up a price point 1911 and have been doing a little research. I have handled the Remington R1 which I really liked but its to new and cant really find any info on them. I didt even know rra made a 1911 but am glad you started this thread so we can both get help.
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Don't have any experience with RRA 1911's but i have a springfield armory 1911 mil spec.
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Don't have any experience with RRA 1911's but i have a springfield armory 1911 mil spec.
What is your opinion on the springfield? Form what I have read they are hit and miss.
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Re: rock river arms 1911 or similar 'budget' 1911's

I've put roughly 2k+ rounds through mine in the year 1/2 i've owned it and have no complaints. Only issue i had was with hollow points and having them jam when i would try to put one in the chamber but it turns out I was the problem I was kind of guiding it back and once I was told to kind of slingshot it the issue dissapeared.

Mine has shot everything i throw at it and the majority of bullets it sees are range reloads without even a hiccup.

Edit: thouht i'd add that I don't have much gun experience but i've fired several different guns from time to time.


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Re: rock river arms 1911 or similar 'budget' 1911's

ive heard nothing but good things from those mil_specs, and as you stated, only allows you to run certain rounds through them.
i have been informed that the taurus pt1911 is of the same quality.
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ive heard nothing but good things from those mil_specs, and as you stated, only allows you to run certain rounds through them.
i have been informed that the taurus pt1911 is of the same quality.
I have a taurus 1911 stainless steel and I love it. I don't have a lot of rounds through it (guessing ~500). I've always shot extremely accurately with it (or at least as accurate as I can shoot). The g/f got it for me for Christmas.

I have had issues with certain hollow points (and only hollow points)...especially if the nose of the bullet does not have a very round profile. I've seen similar issues on other 1911's...I believe it has more to do with the sharp angle of the feed ramp on most of them. I'm tempted to polish the feed ramp if it doesn't work itself out soon. For me it's not a big deal as I just use it for plinking. A full sized 1911 is really bigger than what I want to carry concealed and I don't like using a gun with a manual safety as my bedstand gun or for ccw.
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Re: rock river arms 1911 or similar 'budget' 1911's

Rock RIVER or Rock ISLAND? I thought RRA stopped making the 1911 pistol over a year ago? I saw a thread over on M1911.org where a couple (1 or 2) people were having customer service issues, but this was when the AR15 rush was on.

if it's RRA and in good condition, for $300 I'd buy it in a heart beat.

RIA is a different story; there actually manufactured in the Philippines by Armscor, and most of the parts are Cast, not machined steel. most people that own them love them for what they are, but some hate them with a passion, I think this may be Kimber crowd, lol.

but like you said "budget" so even if it isn't a RIA, you might want to consider them.
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Re: rock river arms 1911 or similar 'budget' 1911's

no experience with rya 1911s but i will tell you this. the model "1911" was created a while back, and the design hasn't changed, thats what makes it such an awesome pistol. So, the only thing that can fail is the quality of the materials. BTW... I shoot Kimber and Glock.... i trust them both and they have served me well so far. Anyway, back to the point..... if you want a low priced pistol... buy used. My father just purchased a Springfield 1911 for $400 used, and it only had 9 rounds through it. Don't go cheap on a firearm, Springlfield, Kimber, or Colt are the only 1911's worth owning. It the same as buying Chinese HID's for your bike
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check out the rock island 1911s or armscor(same company). guys on the 1911 forum i know prefer the rock island over the taurus.
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Re: rock river arms 1911 or similar 'budget' 1911's

As long as you're not looking to do a bunch of upgrades and just keep it as is an RRA 1911 is fine. If you're looking to add beavertail grip safety, new sights, triggers etc, I would start with a loaded Springfield. They take to mods a lot better as they tend to have better metal and are more dimensionally sound.
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Re: rock river arms 1911 or similar 'budget' 1911's

As mentioned, RRA is much different than RIA. Rock River 1911s are some of the nicest I have ever held or shot, very nice high end 1911.

The 1911 is not a platform i would skimp on, if you have a 500 budget I would recommend one of the great polymers (Glock, M&P, XD) instead.

Raise your budget and get a Springfield. I like the GI, but for a self defense pistol to be a 1911, you really need to drop some more coin, no point in having a defense pistol that cant eat hollow points.
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Raise your budget and get a Springfield. I like the GI, but for a self defense pistol to be a 1911, you really need to drop some more coin, no point in having a defense pistol that cant eat hollow points.
I've run into a number of different people with various priced 1911's...some have issues some don't. The hollow point issue is not isolated to a certain manufacturer or price point. You'll find various posts on various forums with various 1911's experiencing the same issue as well. You'll see issues with Dan Wesson, Kimber, Springfield Armory, Colt, etc... It seems the problem is mostly exaggerated by the profile of the bullet. The steep feed ramp of the 1911 barrel combined with less rounded bullets is what causes it. Many of owners with issues claim the issue works itself out as the gun is broken and the feed ramp smooths out from wear....others have switched to slightly more rounded hollow points...others polish or re-machine the feed ramp manually.

I would caution against implying someone will or won't have problems based on the brand of pistol they buy or how much they spend.

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I am looking for one strictly for plinking. I have a glock for defense. This will be my first 1911 so I think the RIA will be perfect to introduce me to the 1911 field and see if I even like 1911's or not. I have read nothing but great things about them and their customer service online so I will start shopping around for one.
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sbombard, im in the same situation.
i have the poylmer xd for work. ive always wanted a 1911, and have been reading forums to get advice
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I've run into a number of different people with various priced 1911's...some have issues some don't. The hollow point issue is not isolated to a certain manufacturer or price point. You'll find various posts on various forums with various 1911's experiencing the same issue as well. You'll see issues with Dan Wesson, Kimber, Springfield Armory, Colt, etc... It seems the problem is mostly exaggerated by the profile of the bullet. The steep feed ramp of the 1911 barrel combined with less rounded bullets is what causes it. Many of owners with issues claim the issue works itself out as the gun is broken and the feed ramp smooths out from wear....others have switched to slightly more rounded hollow points...others polish or re-machine the feed ramp manually.

I would caution against implying someone will or won't have problems based on the brand of pistol they buy or how much they spend.
I can guarantee that statistically there is a correlation between price of a 1911 and the reliability of feeding HPs. And a gov profile 1911 barrel is not steep at all, possibly a ramped barrel is what you are thinking about, but most .45s do not have a ramp. Like I said, the Springfield is a great pistol for the money, but for $500 to get a reliable fighting/defense pistol I would get another platform. Some people just like the looks of a GI and dont care if it will only eat ball.

Bottomline is that you get what you pay for in a 1911, which by design requires more fitting than any other platform out there, since labor is not free (even in the Philippines or Brazil) you get what you pay for, often less fit and finish.
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I am looking for one strictly for plinking. I have a glock for defense. This will be my first 1911 so I think the RIA will be perfect to introduce me to the 1911 field and see if I even like 1911's or not. I have read nothing but great things about them and their customer service online so I will start shopping around for one.
I would get the Springfield, as a base gun it is more solid should you ever decide to get some work done (some smiths refuse to work on RIA)
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I can guarantee that statistically there is a correlation between price of a 1911 and the reliability of feeding HPs. And a gov profile 1911 barrel is not steep at all, possibly a ramped barrel is what you are thinking about, but most .45s do not have a ramp. Like I said, the Springfield is a great pistol for the money, but for $500 to get a reliable fighting/defense pistol I would get another platform. Some people just like the looks of a GI and dont care if it will only eat ball.

Bottomline is that you get what you pay for in a 1911, which by design requires more fitting than any other platform out there, since labor is not free (even in the Philippines or Brazil) you get what you pay for, often less fit and finish.
The majority of .45 1911's I've shot have the feed ramp built into the frame as well as a small cut into the barrel to compliment the angle on the frame....including government models.

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I've just personally encountered too many people across the spectrum of price ranges that have FTF issues to say reliability definitely increases with price. Case in point, my normal gunsmith has gone through his 5th consecutive Kimber (some new, some used) with feeding problems and has sworn them off altogether. However, still I'd be interested in anything that would point to a statistical probability that your claim is more accurate. Unfortunately, I don't think such data exists other than personal accounts...which vary from person to person.

I will agree that there are a few brands that on the lowest end that appear to have more frequent problems than the others. Likewise, having a custom built 1911 in which the gun is test fired repeatedly would probably get better results. But those are the extreme cases.
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I'm not going to beat a dead horse, but Kimber would be the last example I would use.
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