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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 07-04-2018, 08:43 PM Thread Starter
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Another Oil and Filter Question

two questions, both of which I'm sure have been answered before

1.) Can the oil filter on 1st-gen 750's be swapped for one from any of the newer bikes or the bandits?

2.) how much have you seen the oil fluctuate in your oil-boilers? I went for a ride two days ago and was worried because my oil level was not showing through the sight glass on the clutch cover unless I leaned it over. I check it today before topping it off and its now showing over the sight glass when stood up
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Re: Another Oil and Filter Question

I don't think that the filter that is used on the newer bikes is the same. I have no idea what the differences are and I'm not going to spend any time worrying about it. Just buy the correct filter and go on.

They oil level shouldn't vary very much at all, from ride to ride. It is quite sensitive to whether or not the bike is straight up and down, and it's pretty difficult to correctly judge it while sitting on the bike. It is best checked while sitting on a stand, on level ground.
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I don't think that the filter that is used on the newer bikes is the same. I have no idea what the differences are and I'm not going to spend any time worrying about it. Just buy the correct filter and go on.

They oil level shouldn't vary very much at all, from ride to ride. It is quite sensitive to whether or not the bike is straight up and down, and it's pretty difficult to correctly judge it while sitting on the bike. It is best checked while sitting on a stand, on level ground.
Reason why Im asking is because I have my very first track day Saturday, if I had to order one it would not arrive on time

I know how to check my oil level properly, and I think it's odd how the oil would fluctuate by this much. My bikes have burned off oil in the past but I've never seen it fill back up by this much unless it was tilted over and some came from the oil cooler, even then I doubt it would be his much. the oil also seems pretty thin and water-like, so im thinking someone may have not liked me and put water in the oil. I guess I could drain it and expect to see water drain before oil if thats the case, bike hasnt been ridden in about a week
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Smell it. Carbs could be dumping fuel into the head, which ends up in the case, and overfills oil levels.
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The oil boilers use the same filter as pretty much any big Suzuki since, SV650 and 1000, Hayabusa, Bandits, TLs, I know because I have had them all, and use the same filters every time.

The oil level should not change, apart from hot to cold, be consistent when you check, I always check hot after a ride (let it settle for a few mins first). I aim for close to full when hot, it results in roughly half full when dead cold.

It really does need to be dead upright every time, I kneel next to it, and gently pull bike upright to balance point, slightly beyond, then back to be absolutely sure. Very scary with the Busa!
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Re: Another Oil and Filter Question

This is the part number for the oil filter for the 1986 - 1987 GSX-R750: 16510-05A00

Here's what else it fits, according to Suzuki:

1985 - 1987 MADURA
1986 - 1987 INTRUDER

Notice it doesn't even fit the first gen 1100, let alone anything later. 16510-07J00 is the part number for the first gen 1100. That's the filter that fits loads of other bikes, including 2nd gen GSX-Rs, Katanas, Bandits, etc.

Personally, I'd just drain the oil from the filter you have and re-use it, along with a fresh oil change. If it's been used for so long that you don't want to do that, maybe skip the track day.

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The oil boilers use the same filter as pretty much any big Suzuki since, SV650 and 1000, Hayabusa, Bandits, TLs, I know because I have had them all, and use the same filters every time.

The oil level should not change, apart from hot to cold, be consistent when you check, I always check hot after a ride (let it settle for a few mins first). I aim for close to full when hot, it results in roughly half full when dead cold.

It really does need to be dead upright every time, I kneel next to it, and gently pull bike upright to balance point, slightly beyond, then back to be absolutely sure. Very scary with the Busa!
not the 1st gen 750's, they use a different filter that always needs to be special ordered. I think my bandit is heavier than a 'busa...
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Smell it. Carbs could be dumping fuel into the head, which ends up in the case, and overfills oil levels.
I have a Pingel manual fuel valve, this has never happened since I installed this. I smelled the oil before I posted this and it still smells like oil, but good point
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This is the part number for the oil filter for the 1986 - 1987 GSX-R750: 16510-05A00

Here's what else it fits, according to Suzuki:

1985 - 1987 MADURA
1986 - 1987 INTRUDER

Notice it doesn't even fit the first gen 1100, let alone anything later. 16510-07J00 is the part number for the first gen 1100. That's the filter that fits loads of other bikes, including 2nd gen GSX-Rs, Katanas, Bandits, etc.

Personally, I'd just drain the oil from the filter you have and re-use it, along with a fresh oil change. If it's been used for so long that you don't want to do that, maybe skip the track day.

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yeah not much interchangeability, I have no problem re-using my K&N oil filter, I think its only got 3k miles on it, maybe less. but even at 5k they still look really good, I was thinking about just changing the oil and running the same filter
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I'll need to compare the 1st-gen oil filter to the one thats used on every other oiler and see if they're compatible
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Re: Another Oil and Filter Question

the first gen 750 engines use a bigger filter than the later model oil-cooled and water-cooled engines. i simply order a bunch of filters, so i always have a fresh supply.

good luck with your first trackday, and keep us posted.
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Re: Another Oil and Filter Question

I'm way out of my depth here but this (1991) says that the filter was originally
16510-06B01 and now is 16510-07J00, which is the same as for my K6 1000.

But for 1986 only 16510-05A00 is listed.

HiFlo indicates that the first filter was 80x76 mm (OD x length) while the one used later was 68x65. That's a significant size difference.
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It's not hard to understand, the first generation 750 and first generation 1100 used two completely different oil filters. The one for the 750 was larger than the one for the 1100. The 750 filter wasn't used all that much, the 1100 filter got recycled and used in a bunch of bikes.
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the first gen 750 engines use a bigger filter than the later model oil-cooled and water-cooled engines. i simply order a bunch of filters, so i always have a fresh supply.

good luck with your first trackday, and keep us posted.
I'm not going after all. My car needs work, I'm out of two paychecks and my account is currently negative, and its supposed to rain. I swear everything works against me every time I plan on doing a track day
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yeah not much interchangeability, I have no problem re-using my K&N oil filter, I think its only got 3k miles on it, maybe less. but even at 5k they still look really good, I was thinking about just changing the oil and running the same filter
many engines have been blown up with those shitty K&N oil filters,stick with OEM Suzuki is the best policy,
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I wasn't going to mention that... but yeah, I always run OEM filters. I would run a K&N air filter, or similar, if the alternative was no filter at all, but I would never run anything other than a Suzuki oil filter.
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yeah, life happens. trackdays will be around, but i highly recommend you try it.

gives you time to order some extra first gen 750 oil filters!
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