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post #1 of 63 (permalink) Old 08-30-2017, 12:23 PM Thread Starter
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Bike broke, won't stay running

2006 gsxr 1000, with about 25k miles now.
has been running great, I rode it to work Monday and yesterday about 20 miles each way, filled up gas Monday night.

Ran perfect all yesterday, I parked it in my garage, this morning, I decided to ride it again, did my normal routine, getting my jacket/helmet on while the bike warms for a couple minutes. I rolled it out of the garage and once I engaged the clutch it stalled.. WTF, I started it up again and it idled for a split second then died again.

No warning light(red) while it runs, I pushed it back to the garage, took my gear off, earplugs, and waited a min. I turned the kill switch off and on and hear the fuel pump prime, and started it, it started but idled ultra low, like 600-800 instead of the perfect 1300 it normally idles at. as it was running I gave it a tad of gas and instantly it dies.

if I try to crank it again, it will crank but won't start, yet if I wait a little and prime the pump again it will run for a short while (low rpm)

This blows!! I'm supposed to be hitting the dragon in couple months, all I need now is some crazy job to repair this shit.

Anyway, where do you guys recommend me to start, I have a feeling its going to be a fuel flow measure, check dealer mode .

It's got gas, in it.

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post #2 of 63 (permalink) Old 08-30-2017, 01:44 PM
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Re: Bike broke, won't stay running

Make sure that the IAP sensor and associated vacuum lines are connected/OK.

"I have a feeling its going to be a fuel flow measure"
That's probably the next thing to check. Look in the tank for any "stuff" around the pump.
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Yea sucks!!

I'll be pulling this apart this weekend.
Just weird how it goes from perfect, to not running.
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Re: Bike broke, won't stay running

After reading a lot, it seems dirty fuel filter issues ,people can have the bikes start and idle, but just will feel sluggish going over a certain RPM, usually higher band.

the IAP sensor issue from what I read would be throwing a code , there is no codes on my bike.

Also, what sucks, there have been such great write ups here on how to fix all sorts of things, but stupid photobucket ended that,.

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Re: Bike broke, won't stay running

just got home from work and of course I'm going to try again, this time, it won't even start!! ARGGG WTF, why now!

I took a flash light and looked into the tank and it looks clean, very clean, nothing floating at all no debris.

Here is a video I took just now, this is all I tried and I don't want to keep cranking and burn my starter/battery out.

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First thing I would check is if you are getting a code. Maybe a crank position sensor went bad, who knows? Next, I would check the voltage of your battery. Unlikely, but it's still easy to check. Finally I would do a fuel flow test, as described in the manual. 10 seconds of continuous 12V and measure the fuel output.
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Yea I will do all this for sure, battery is brand new about 3 weeks old now.

When it was running this morning, low RPM and struggling to keep itself running there as no FI light.

When it comes to fuel flow, aren't most issues with this problem at a higher rpm, I mean do people with dirty filters not be able to at least start it up?

I wish this was something progressive, but it went from flawless lastnight to 8 hours later, starting up fine, warming up, then dying 5 minutes later, able to start it up again but only for about 20 seconds, started again, this time 10 seconds, and again, 5 seconds. I go to work, 10 hours later, it won't start at all.
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It could be that gas you bought on Monday night. Look for a code but the bike won't start with a bad crankshaft or camshaft position sensor and you were saying that it did. You could verify that you're not getting enough fuel by priming it through the throttle body and seeing if it will run briefly. Just don't get carried away with how much you add.
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Did you put diesel in it?

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Just for shit and giggles, have you measured the volts on the battery? Could be a failed charging system that drained the battery. One other thing, the way and amount of time you were cranking is going to cost you a new starter. Don't crank for more than 10 seconds and then wait 30 seconds to allow the starter to cool.

Also, why do you have an aversion to posting in the year/model for your bike? You post here in this forum which gets few views.
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"One other thing, the way and amount of time you were cranking is going to cost you a new starter. Don't crank for more than 10 seconds and then wait 30 seconds to allow the starter to cool."

The service and owner's manuals say five seconds, though that's probably conservative. I also would have thought that the limit had to do with stress to the starter, notably the brushes and commutator, or maybe the battery. But the service manual, 9-16, says that the starter relay coil may overheat. That was unexpected. I would not have thought that it would be an issue.
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It could be that gas you bought on Monday night. Look for a code but the bike won't start with a bad crankshaft or camshaft position sensor and you were saying that it did. You could verify that you're not getting enough fuel by priming it through the throttle body and seeing if it will run briefly. Just don't get carried away with how much you add.
I put gas in Monday night, drove about 75-80 miles worth the next day, which is more then half the tank, you think bad gas would wait that long?


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Did you put diesel in it?

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I drive a TDI VW, and filled up Monday night during stress, what if I did? I mean I have about 1.5 gallons left, and filled up with about 1.5 gallons left, so that means I put at least 3 gallons of diesel in it, no way it would have run great for 80 miles with a mix diesel, right?

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Just for shit and giggles, have you measured the volts on the battery? Could be a failed charging system that drained the battery. One other thing, the way and amount of time you were cranking is going to cost you a new starter. Don't crank for more than 10 seconds and then wait 30 seconds to allow the starter to cool.

Also, why do you have an aversion to posting in the year/model for your bike? You post here in this forum which gets few views.


I haven't done any checking yet, my tools are not in my garage, so I have to wait until this weekend, but I'm going to guess this is not a battery issue, how could the battery be drained yet cranking perfectly and fast.

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Re: Bike broke, won't stay running

Based on not starting at all, could this still be a clogged filter? has anyone seen a bike not start based on that? (out of no where, running perfect, redlining fine, 8 hours later not starting?)

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I put gas in Monday night, drove about 75-80 miles worth the next day, which is more then half the tank, you think bad gas would wait that long?




I drive a TDI VW, and filled up Monday night during stress, what if I did? I mean I have about 1.5 gallons left, and filled up with about 1.5 gallons left, so that means I put at least 3 gallons of diesel in it, no way it would have run great for 80 miles with a mix diesel, right?

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Honestly, if there is any doubt about it, I would dump the tank.

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Based on not starting at all, could this still be a clogged filter? has anyone seen a bike not start based on that? (out of no where, running perfect, redlining fine, 8 hours later not starting?)

THanks all!
The test is nearly free and it is quick. You could have already performed it in the time you posted all of your responses. It really doesn't matter what others have experienced, when you can entirely eliminate or diagnose the issue within a couple of minutes. All with two wires and a graded measuring container
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At least he didn't put this in the tank @Anthony D
Looks just like the fuel additive!
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You could verify that you're not getting enough fuel by priming it through the throttle body and seeing if it will run briefly.
I would give this a shot. You'd instantly be able to tell whether or not you have a fueling problem. Hopefully your fuel pump didn't go out. I highly doubt this is a battery issue from what you described. Good luck.
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Looks just like the fuel additive!
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Yea thanks, again, I won't be able to do a thing this Sat. so just trying to have a conversation now and get all possibilities .

As for the fuel pump, I see them online for cheap, as cheap as 15 bucks on ebay and cheap as 40 bucks else where.

I do hear the pump priming , it might sound a little different though, not sure.

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