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post #221 of 237 (permalink) Old 03-17-2017, 06:14 PM
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You literally could have responded with: "Natural ability is weighted so low compared to experience, as well as the obvious skew that everyone feels like they are better than they actually are, that we don't even consider it when dishing out advice to noobies."

And your point would have been made and we could move on like normal adults. Your attitude and subtle insults aren't needed. Unless I came off as an immature kid at first, then that's how you have to respond sometimes.

But I've crept around here for long enough to expect it.. plus it is the internet.
You say how you've crept around long enough... But referring back to my first post, you have yet still to understand the methodology this site teaches

Secondly, yes I do have an attitude. So why are you mentioning it? You've been around long enough to expect it right? If you're too ignorant to realize it, you're essentially handing out advice saying that if you know how to work a clutch and have driven a fast car, you can then move straight to a SS, and the "look at me, I did it!" attitude is not something you should be proud of here. Ultimately, these small insinuations you are throwing out about natural riding ability will get someone killed. I'm simply responding so that those same people get to read this and understand that it is horrible advice - especially someone who has been there.

I made my point. I really don't care how you want me to talk to you or even how to word my responses. Now you're making it a personal matter and you've sprayed your butt hurt all over this thread. Absolutely no one here will support your statements - get over it. Your little "success" story of starting on a SS doesn't impress anyone, especially if you're implying that you have that naturally ability and skill
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So natural ability is the key?
No, I literally just agreed that natural ability is weighted so low when compared to experience, that it isn't even considered. Did you read my statement as the opposite?

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Here, natural ability accounts for 000.000%.
That's literally what I just stated. That could have been the response, and I would have seen your point and moved on.

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You say how you've crept around long enough... But referring back to my first post, you have yet still to understand the methodology this site teaches

Secondly, yes I do have an attitude. So why are you mentioning it? You've been around long enough to expect it right? If you're too ignorant to realize it, you're essentially handing out advice saying that if you know how to work a clutch and have driven a fast car, you can then move straight to a SS, and the "look at me, I did it!" attitude is not something you should be proud of here. Ultimately, these small insinuations you are throwing out about natural riding ability will get someone killed. I'm simply responding so that those same people get to read this and understand that it is horrible advice - especially someone who has been there.

I made my point. I really don't care how you want me to talk to you or even how to word my responses. Now you're making it a personal matter and you've sprayed your butt hurt all over this thread. Absolutely no one here will support your statements - get over it. Your little "success" story of starting on a SS doesn't impress anyone, especially if you're implying that you have that naturally ability and skill
LOL who's butthurt besides you? You write like you're an angry chrislr. Re-read my responses, I have done nothing but agree with you and wanted to add in a factor of natural instinct, which then I realized is weighted so low compared to all the other necessary skills involved that I changed my opinion and agreed with you. And gave you an example of all you would have needed to say to accomplish that, instead of the typical forum bashing. And editted my original comment, to help not mislead people into thinking I'm telling everyone to start on a 750. Chill dude. You must have read my comments with the wrong tone or something.

NOTE: I DO NOT ADVISE STARTING ON A SUPERSPORT.

and @just_nick that was early on my first track day ever lol I'm not claiming to be the next racing legend or better than all you vets on here.

NOTE 2: I DO NOT ADVISE STARTING ON A 600/750/1000 CC BIKE.


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Since you can't measure natural talent on a forum, we will always give the same advice to all novice riders regarding starting on supersports. So this argument is moot in my opinion.
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Since you can't measure natural talent on a forum, we will always give the same advice to all novice riders regarding starting on supersports. So this argument is moot in my opinion.
*applaud* Totally makes sense. I don't know if you all thought I was a child or something, but I am able to admit that my opinion on what is sensible to post can change due to logical responses. Moot indeed.
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That's literally what I just stated. That could have been the response, and I would have seen your point and moved on.
Just re-enforcing that there is no way for anyone here to be able to take natural ability into consideration. Of those I have taught to ride I wouldn't believe for a second that starting small was not a wise choice and for some, riding was just not an option. By a miracle, I started small but could just as easily have started on a way to big a bike and when I started riding, there was no internet, no wealth of knowledge. I didn't even learn there was a riding course till I had been riding 5-6 years and had already moved to a ZX-7.
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While we are on the topic of natural ability, someone who is a real natural at riding will benefit from starting on a small bike also. You are never going to learn the use the bike fully until you push it to the limits, and you can't really push a big bike to the limits on the road!
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No, I literally just agreed that natural ability is weighted so low when compared to experience, that it isn't even considered. Did you read my statement as the opposite?


That's literally what I just stated. That could have been the response, and I would have seen your point and moved on.


LOL who's butthurt besides you? You write like you're an angry chrislr. Re-read my responses, I have done nothing but agree with you and wanted to add in a factor of natural instinct, which then I realized is weighted so low compared to all the other necessary skills involved that I changed my opinion and agreed with you. And gave you an example of all you would have needed to say to accomplish that, instead of the typical forum bashing. And editted my original comment, to help not mislead people into thinking I'm telling everyone to start on a 750. Chill dude. You must have read my comments with the wrong tone or something.

NOTE: I DO NOT ADVISE STARTING ON A SUPERSPORT.

and @just_nick that was early on my first track day ever lol I'm not claiming to be the next racing legend or better than all you vets on here.

NOTE 2: I DO NOT ADVISE STARTING ON A 600/750/1000 CC BIKE.

You're the only one taking this personally. I read your posts exactly as they were written and my problem was the content of your messages, not anything else. At the end of the day, I have no beef with you
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No, I literally just agreed that natural ability is weighted so low when compared to experience, that it isn't even considered. Did you read my statement as the opposite?

Yeah.
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"Respecting the bike" has helped me. A little background, I learned to ride on dirt bikes in grade school. My first street motorcycle was a GSXR1000 K7 due to much advice about how I'm a taller rider and I'd grow out of anything smaller. One of the first things that was told to me was, aha..you got it, to "Respect the bike" and everything should be alright. Looking back, I guess what they were really saying was, "this bike is too powerful for you, be careful or you can get hurt or die."

So basically, for me, "respecting the bike" turned into, "You have all the temptation in the world within a twist of a wrist, question is, are you skilled enough/ready to survive the consequence." Like skills, respect is earned. Do i respect my bike now? Well I still do small pre-ride checks, routine maintenance, and gracefully break away from temptation like I'm an eunuch at an all nude strip club..at times, and I can gratefully thank the man upstairs for preventing me from an accident or any harm.
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"You have all the temptation in the world within a twist of a wrist, question is, are you skilled enough/ready to survive the consequence."
For a new, inexperienced rider... The answer is always no, you're not skilled enough. Thanks for helping clear that up for everyone
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"Respecting the bike" has helped me. A little background, I learned to ride on dirt bikes in grade school. My first street motorcycle was a GSXR1000 K7 due to much advice about how I'm a taller rider and I'd grow out of anything smaller. One of the first things that was told to me was, aha..you got it, to "Respect the bike" and everything should be alright. Looking back, I guess what they were really saying was, "this bike is too powerful for you, be careful or you can get hurt or die."

So basically, for me, "respecting the bike" turned into, "You have all the temptation in the world within a twist of a wrist, question is, are you skilled enough/ready to survive the consequence." Like skills, respect is earned. Do i respect my bike now? Well I still do small pre-ride checks, routine maintenance, and gracefully break away from temptation like I'm an eunuch at an all nude strip club..at times, and I can gratefully thank the man upstairs for preventing me from an accident or any harm.
Well that's the question, are you now skilled enough to use your bikes power or do you just ride around scared of the machine and avoid the issue?
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Seems alot of disagreement- while actually agreeing going on here

I'd like to add, I've been out a few times this season in the Great White North (NOT referring to race); and I'm LOVING my LiterBike.
It's power and handling- keeps a huge smile on my face, while still

"Respecting the Bike" LOL
I did tell it I'd call her/it the morning after our last 'ride'
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Loving seeing this thread bumped .... not
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Loving seeing this thread bumped .... not
I vote for closing it but leaving it as a sticky to read. It's always some new riding who doesn't know shit, reviving the thread just say the same bullshit. Rinse and repeat.
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I vote for closing it but leaving it as a sticky to read. It's always some new riding who doesn't know shit, reviving the thread just say the same bullshit. Rinse and repeat.
I'm kinda surprised it wasn't locked a long time ago. When I first came here, i looked through it and after the first 5 pages or so, it's pretty much a bunch of back and forth useless bullshit.
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