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Old 12-06-2005, 03:11 PM   #1
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braking question 4 a new rider

hey guys i just wanted to post this up. im new to riding but i dont hav a gix yet as im still waiting 4 my above 250 cc license but after reading lots of articles about braking im confused

now i went out 4 a ride and just looking at how i brake and wen i just do wat comes natural i seem to brake and corner good but is my form correct. well how should u brake?? like do u down shift at the same time as well as braking or do u push in the clutch and just hit brakes and downshift to eliminate engine braking alltogether?? i find this awkard i like to downshift and brake together but i dunno if i let the revs go to high?? 1 last thing wat does rev maching mean im a little confused?? if u could offer ne advice id appreciate it thanks guys
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:41 PM   #2
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

alright, im no pro, ill just give some quickie ideas and let you know what i do, then tomorrow the big dogs will drop us some knowledge.

as a new rider, all braking and downshifting should be done before the corner, then prepare your body position, then go into turn.

As far as braking, i prefer to use engine braking. helps slow the bike down for me, and i know what gear im in that way, no surprises.

rev matching is used when you are downshifting and using engine braking. you blip the throttle when downshifting so that engine speed matches rear wheel speed. this is so you dont get wheel hop. (automatic if you have a slipper clutch)

If i misled, im sure there will be more tips tomorrow.

good luck, be safe
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Old 12-07-2005, 02:12 AM   #3
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

The problem with just whipping in the clutch and banging down the box is that some gearboxes may not shift smoothly and you may miss a few shifts. Not a big deal, except you then might find yourself hunting for the correct gear to get drive out of a tricky situation e.g. you brake before a tight bend, drop a few cogs, tip the bike over and as you get back on the gas with the bike still leant over the engine stumbles - depending on your reactions and speed you could easily go down.
I'll typically feather the clutch and blip the throttle with each change just to feel it slot home and to match the revs (this becomes second nature in no time at all). On the track is a different story, and lots of people will brake very hard, then change gears very quickly just before cornering. If I have to brake in a emergency I whip in the clutch and then all I think about is braking safely.
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Old 12-07-2005, 10:50 AM   #4
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

wat do u mean by blip the throttle sorry?
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Old 12-07-2005, 11:06 AM   #5
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

blip throttle - give it some quick gas, quick flip of the wrist, = so the engine speed (rpms) rev up meeting the engine speed.
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Old 12-07-2005, 09:34 PM   #6
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

Was reading this the other day.

http://www.superbikeschool.com/bbs/index...3bac4d8e71163c5
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Old 12-08-2005, 03:02 AM   #7
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

sounds like your a bit skeetchy. You should highly consider taking MSF or a local motorcycle safety course in your area.
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Old 12-09-2005, 11:14 AM   #8
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

i agree with the above, you will learn so much doing something like that.
After you will get alot more enjoyment out of every ride.
Highly recommended,
Cheers, ride safely.
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Old 12-12-2005, 05:49 AM   #9
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

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well how should u brake?? like do u down shift at the same time as well as braking or do u push in the clutch and just hit brakes and downshift to eliminate engine braking alltogether?? i find this awkard i like to downshift and brake together but i dunno if i let the revs go to high??

Over here (UK) I think most new riders are taught to slow using the brakes rather than the engine; it's the simplest method as it theoretically eliminates the need to blip the throttle (see below) to match engine speed and wheel speed.


The basic method I was taught was to slow to about the "right" speed for the corner/roundabout/change of speed limit/obstacle, THEN as I was almost there, go down the box one gear at a time - clutch in, change gear, ease clutch out and repeat as required - rather than block changing from e.g. 5th straight down to 2nd.



You will find that you'll gradually use more engine-braking as you become more confident in changing down through the 'box earlier, as you become accustomed to the effect on the bike (harsh engine-braking being just the same as "grabbing" the brake levers - it unsettles the rider and the bike.)


Which leads us neatly on to ...



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1 last thing wat does rev maching mean im a little confused??


Ignore the brake levers for a mo' - if you change down a gear without slowing the bike (through use of the brakes), what happens? The wheels are still travelling at the same speed but the engine is being asked to rev higher as it's in a lower gear - i.e. the engine speed is forced up by the wheel speed. At best this isn't a smooth technique for changing gear/slowing and at worst, it can lead to the back wheel locking.


You make the down-change smoother by matching the engine revs to wheel speed with a blip of the throttle. Obviously this involves engaging your right hand in two activities - using the front brake lever and operating the throttle, so it takes a little practise to get right.


The goal is to use the throttle (which would be shut while braking) to "blip" the revs up a little while the clutch is disengaged as you select the lower gear, then let the clutch out smoothly. Just how much you need to blip will depend on your speed, gear selection and personal preference, but it's not "a lot".


If you want a good book to read, which explains this technique, try "Sport Riding Techniques" by Nick Ienatsch - it's well-illustrated too, which I find helps.
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:32 AM   #10
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MSF is def needed..
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:04 PM   #11
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

Take it slow as stated above...BUT, once you get the basic's down, you can downshift, blip the throttle and brake all at the same time...the KEY is to be Smooth with any, and all of your actions, so you don't upset the chassis of the bike..Fast racers know this, and if you ever watch them...you can't tell that they are changin gears, or have the brakes on hard...they are that smooth, in other words...you don't want to feel any jerks when you any of the above.
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:08 PM   #12
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

Is there any difference between slipper clutch and back-torque-limiting clutch? Shall the blip be done if you got slipper clutch or back-torque-limiting clutch?

btw. how do you manage to blip the gas while braking smoothly :P feels impossible to me. If i blipp the gas at the same time I always get sudden brakings etc. quite tricky....
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Old 05-31-2006, 03:21 AM   #13
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Re: braking question 4 a new rider

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Is there any difference between slipper clutch and back-torque-limiting clutch? Shall the blip be done if you got slipper clutch or back-torque-limiting clutch?

btw. how do you manage to blip the gas while braking smoothly :P feels impossible to me. If i blipp the gas at the same time I always get sudden brakings etc. quite tricky....
Yeah, you should still rev match with a slipper clutch. Braking and using the throttle is just a matter of practice. You need to have the lever adjusted in far enough. I use my index and middle fingers on the brake while using the rest of the hand on the throttle and it's entirely possible to twist the throttle quite a bit while maintaining a constant brake pressure that way Just takes practice
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