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Fram Oil filters
Interesting video I found on youtube. Most people know Fram filters are shitty. On some of their filters, they have cardboard endcaps and are overall poor quality. This video is from a guy that works at Fram trying to tell me that the endcaps do not make a difference and the filter works just as well as any other. I had one on my Jeep Cherokee and my oil pressure suffered significantly when I put one on there, brand new. Switched to a higher end Bosch and later Mobil 1 and my oil pressure was much better. I will never use a Fram filter again but was wondering what your take is on this video.
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I use Fram on all of my vehicles. Never had a problem.
For my bike, I do try to use a better one. But, if only fram was available on hand, I would use it no problem. Just change the oil earlier than usual just to be safe.
Sometimes I think all this is just a marketing tactic. But in some ways I can see why manufacturers are trying to downplay Fram because they are using cardboard! But I suppose cardboard works as well so why not?
Edit: I should note that all of my vehicles are older 2000 vehicles... Maybe if I had a newer vehicle or if I rolled a car off dealership lot, I probably would pay a little extra for something that will give you the peace of mind for your brand new car.
Interesting. Cardboard end disks really shouldn't matter if you think about it. If you got water in your oil then it would be a problem cause the cardboard would turn to mush. Then again if you have water in your oil you have bigger issues.
I have used fram extra guard filters on my old 99 Ford Ranger w/ semi-synthetic oil and the thing ran mint w/ great oil pressure and I changed the oil every 5000 miles. I sold the truck when it had 212,000 miles. In my 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 I run the same oil and Extra guard filter. My 64 Ford Falcon drag car I run the Fram Race filters. My bikes I try and run K&N filters but in a pinch I used the Frams.
I use OEM on my Suzuki, but I've used a bunch of Frams on my Honda with no issue. I can get those at cost at my buddies shop. The Honda takes a little one that goes under the engine side cover. I've used Fram Extra Guard most of the time for 186,000 miles on my van. I've been using Bosch on my Volvo R since new. Knock on wood, I have never had a filter issue with any yet. I know over the years I've seen others that had some issues with Fram.
I am an Amsoil dealer and thats all I use on my bike and truck. The filters are Wix filters. Wix Filters are really good for oil pressure and longevity. Try those some time.
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Re: Fram Oil filters
While in college I worked at Advance Auto and we cut every brand filter we had for a ford 302 open one day. The cardboard endcaps are bad enough, but worse is that the frams filter media was much smaller around and had 1/3 less pleats than any of the other filters. This would mean much less filtering surface area also the standard fram had an efficiency of 95% vs 98%percent for the purolator. the fram was also over $1 more than the purolator. I know this has nothing to do with bikes, but if their car filters are that bad I don't want to risk my bike.
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Re: Fram Oil filters
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Originally Posted by SolidSnake
I am an Amsoil dealer and thats all I use on my bike and truck. The filters are Wix filters. Wix Filters are really good for oil pressure and longevity. Try those some time.
I put amsoil in the jeep during this oil change. My local Napa sells it off the shelf for a good price which is nice, but they don't have their filters.
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Originally Posted by yaksha79
While in college I worked at Advance Auto and we cut every brand filter we had for a ford 302 open one day. The cardboard endcaps are bad enough, but worse is that the frams filter media was much smaller around and had 1/3 less pleats than any of the other filters. This would mean much less filtering surface area also the standard fram had an efficiency of 95% vs 98%percent for the purolator. the fram was also over $1 more than the purolator. I know this has nothing to do with bikes, but if their car filters are that bad I don't want to risk my bike.
Wouldn't more pleats slow the flow of the oil through the filter? I don't know if a vehicle that runs say higher rpm's depending on a certain flow rate through the filter be hampered by a filter that slows down the intended flow rate? I'm just thinkin out loud here.
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Re: Fram Oil filters
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Originally Posted by Vooduguru
Wouldn't more pleats slow the flow of the oil through the filter? I don't know if a vehicle that runs say higher rpm's depending on a certain flow rate through the filter be hampered by a filter that slows down the intended flow rate? I'm just thinkin out loud here.
No the oil doesn't have to travel through multiple pleats just the one layer, so more pleats= more surface area(bigger filter). This means the filter won't clog as quickly and activate the bypass so it can be more efficient at trapping dirt. I would think more surface area would allow more flow. Maybe that lawyer/engineer can let us know. lol
If you want more surface area then get a longer/bigger filter, not one with more pleats(thicker media). What the filter is made of may determine how thick the media is due to how small it can filter out. It wouldn't matter how thick it is cause once the original surface is clogged then it going to go through the bypass any way. If it is thicker then it may equal its filtration capabilties to one that is thiner but that doesn't always mean that is how it works all the time.
Part of the issue sometimes is people not letting the motor warm up. I have also heard that some people had issues with oil pressure dealing with the filter but I don't know the specifics as it could of been an oil viscosity issue as well.
My wifes Versa oil filter is the same size as my filter for the bike which I find funny, granted I would never put a car filter on my bike but I have been thinking about finding a longer one for her car.
...was wondering what your take is on this video...
Fram oil filters have taken such a beating over the years on automotive message boards that they have to do everything possible to promote their product, so I can definitely understand their company putting out a video like this.
It won't change my mind though, I still won't use their oil filters.
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Re: Fram Oil filters
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Originally Posted by CrickiKaze
If you want more surface area then get a longer/bigger filter, not one with more pleats(thicker media). What the filter is made of may determine how thick the media is due to how small it can filter out. It wouldn't matter how thick it is cause once the original surface is clogged then it going to go through the bypass any way. If it is thicker then it may equal its filtration capabilties to one that is thiner but that doesn't always mean that is how it works all the time.
Part of the issue sometimes is people not letting the motor warm up. I have also heard that some people had issues with oil pressure dealing with the filter but I don't know the specifics as it could of been an oil viscosity issue as well.
My wifes Versa oil filter is the same size as my filter for the bike which I find funny, granted I would never put a car filter on my bike but I have been thinking about finding a longer one for her car.
More pleats has nothing to do with the thickness of the material. Buy a fram and a purolator for a ford 302 and cut them open take the filter material itself out and cut it in half top to bottom and flatten it out you will see the purolator is longer. This is because the pleats allow more filter in the same size can this is where my more surface area argument is coming into play.
Re: Fram Oil filters
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