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Old 12-26-2010, 09:45 AM   #1
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Coils to the loom question

Just been taking the 600 (2000) loom out of my SRAD

Im putting in a 750 '96 loom to fit the 750 '96 lump so the original is coming out...

I was planning on using the original 2000 coils however I cant find the plugs for them on the 96 loom .... what I DID find was something a little different sooooo wanted ask a couple questions,

1. Are these plugs (pictured in 1a) the coil connectors ?

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2. Do I need to source '96 coils to fit or can these be used dispite the diff plug casing ?



Picture 1a (Coil connectors?):



Picture 1b (2000 coil connectors):

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Old 12-26-2010, 10:25 AM   #2
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Re: Coils to the loom question

In the first picture....yes those are the leads for the 96 coil packs.

Second....it can be done, in fact I was just reading an article online yesterday where a ZX7 was being converted to stick coils from paired coil packs to make room for a different ram air box......I could look through the history on that computer later and find out more.

TT750 seems to have a much better grasp on electrics than I do....maybe he will chime in here.
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Old 12-26-2010, 11:02 AM   #3
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Re: Coils to the loom question

Ahh cheers for that matey, its trial error with this bike build as Im a total novice when it comes to mechanics but I'm learning all the time when you got a bike in bits lol
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:49 PM   #4
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Re: Coils to the loom question

hmmm the 96 750 has 2 coil packs not the 4 coil sticks... you will need the 2 coils and the high tension leads.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:51 PM   #5
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Re: Coils to the loom question

96 750 fiche

http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID...ICAL_MODEL_T-V

2000 600 coil stick

http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID...oup/ELECTRICAL
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Old 12-26-2010, 06:43 PM   #6
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Re: Coils to the loom question

TT750....what he wants to know is if he can use the stick coils in his harness with some adaptation to the connections, and NOT use dual coil packs and high tension leads.

I know it has been done, but don't know how to wire it and if the CDI's were different.
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Old 12-26-2010, 08:24 PM   #7
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Re: Coils to the loom question

ah i would say not easily... off the top my head you could wire it to fire 2 coil sticks at once to the wires for 1 coil pack. coil packs use a waste spark setup. one spark plug is positive to the coil pack and the other spark plug is the ground. so it fires the coil making spark in 2 cylinders. 1 them being on compression and the other on exhaust stroke. i always thought the ignition controled the ground side of the circuit. sowith out any research and off the top my head power 2 coil sticks with the power for one the coil packs then control the ground side with the single ground. i really not know if it would work to fire the sticks or if firing them twice as much as they normaly do would be good for them at high rpm. it takes some time to build up a magnetic field in the coil. also you get into the ohms of the coils. i always thought when you changed to a dyna coilpack you had to get the proper ohm coil for you cdi. you could damage your cdi maybe...honestly i have not looked much into it as if i was to upgrade a coil pack i would go to a dyna coil and maybe even an dyna 2000 ignition module on a older bike. i can't see the gain from going from the coil packs to the sticks.. i have to wonder if any the bandit or older oiler guys have converted to coil sticks..
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Old 12-26-2010, 08:32 PM   #8
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Re: Coils to the loom question

i really not sure if you would be opening a can of worms with this electrically. electrons do funny things sometimes. if you have the coil packs i would say use them.
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:28 AM   #9
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Re: Coils to the loom question

I'll keep it simple and just buy the old ones I think...

Its just cos I had the newer coils off my original loom I wanted to see if I could use them but if it means doing a lot of messing around I'll leave it
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Re: Coils to the loom question

Cool . . You could get dyna coils for it
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:22 AM   #11
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Re: Coils to the loom question

or you could use ZX7 coils and Nology wires....I might even have some unused adapters to mount the coils around here.
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Old 12-27-2010, 08:46 AM   #12
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Re: Coils to the loom question

Are there any performance increases using the bits you mention or is it just a easier way of going about it ?
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:05 AM   #13
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Re: Coils to the loom question

Have never put that particular change to test on a dyno, but have used the Nology Hotwires on ZX6R, ZX7/R, ZX9, and GSXR's......and they have all idled and carburated better, and I never have any fouled plugs.
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Re: Coils to the loom question

More spark is always a good thing
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Old 12-27-2010, 10:11 AM   #15
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Re: Coils to the loom question

Thanks fellas !! You've sold me then!

Dont mean to sound lazy.... BUT have you got any links to any that would fit my '96 ? Its not that I cant be arsed to look as I've already googled the bits you mention, just I have no idea what Im buying lol
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Old 12-27-2010, 10:48 AM   #16
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Re: Coils to the loom question

hold on, it is NOT that simple. I don't care what Nology or its employees say (I have about 10 phone calls to back this up)...you cannot properly attach the Nology wires to stock OEM suzuki SRAD coils. Options:
1) Buy Nology coils.....I have never done this and cannot offer any advice
2) Purchase used ZX7 type coils off of EBAY for next to nothing.....the Nology wires go right on to them as they use a compression type cap that threads onto a screw type post. The only thing is that you need to machine a little bracket in order to get your bolt spacing back to what the SRAD coil spacing is. If anyone wants them, I have a set that would work, but are not as nice as my current versions)

Here is my other thread on this with PICTURES:
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:11 PM   #17
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Re: Coils to the loom question

Just ordered these off an '89 Kwak ZX750 H1



Assume they should do the job ???
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Re: Coils to the loom question

I would got newer ones as there is some one eBay
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:16 PM   #19
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Re: Coils to the loom question

Yup, you just need to fab up a little block/bracket to adjust for the difference in bolt spacing and you are good. Here is a pic of my setup...


When you unscrew the compression cap that hold the wires to the coils, make sure that you reuse the little compression pieces underneath it on whatever wires you choose to adapt.
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Old 12-31-2010, 05:07 AM   #20
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Re: Coils to the loom question

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I would got newer ones as there is some one eBay
I saw one off an SRAD but all the others were either incomplete or the ones I already got

These were the only ZX750's I could find, but they were off the UK ebay, I didnt look on .com as postage is usually a bit of a killer
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