when talking about bp,people like keith code talk about weighting the OUTSIDE peg during turns.
but the guys from ride smart talk about weighting the inside peg to help guide the bike in turns, to help steer the bike with your lower body so you can help free up your upper body and relax.
these are two different schools of thought. what do you guys do? and what do you feel are the pros and cons of both?
i know a few of you guys are instructors...please discuss!
Weighting the outside peg can be anything from VERY difficult to impossible depending on your individual style. I have a superbike style of riding where I am far off the bike and keep it stood up. I weight the inside peg for turn in then try to ease up a bit. But I am so far off the bike depending on the turn, there is NO WAY mid corner I can put any appreciable weight on the outside. Now once I really start to stand the bike up and get on the gas that is a diff story. I do then weight the outside peg as I really start to get on the gas.
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Unless you are running at or near expert race pace it isnt really going to matter.
Of course it matters. Finding your groove and good habits is a good thing no matter what level of riding.
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...I weight the inside peg for turn in then try to ease up a bit....Now once I really start to stand the bike up and get on the gas that is a diff story. I do then weight the outside peg as I really start to get on the gas.
This is what I do as well. Putting weight on the inside peg is really just to help get the bike initially turned in. Once leaned over, do not try to continually put extra weight on the inside peg besides what your body is already doing. Once in the turn you really should be just a passenger. Once on exit and as you begin you throttle and stand the bike up put more weight on the outside peg. Notice that these are two completely different parts of the corner.
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I never understood how you could weight the outside peg if you are hanging off from the inside. I can grip with my outside thigh but going into a turn I don't understand how you could position yourself any other way.
I never understood how you could weight the outside peg if you are hanging off from the inside. I can grip with my outside thigh but going into a turn I don't understand how you could position yourself any other way.
I think he might be talking about putting weight on the outside peg to push ur body to lean into the turn...? i duno
I never understood how you could weight the outside peg if you are hanging off from the inside. I can grip with my outside thigh but going into a turn I don't understand how you could position yourself any other way.
I see it as the opposite.
If I am hanging off to the left, my right leg is holding me on the bike. If you are holding yourself up with the left leg, you are either crashing or holding on with your arms. I dont see how you could put a lot of weight on the inside peg without pushing the front.
My inner thighs get torched at the track from riding like this. But its so much easier to steer, apply throttle smoothly, and correct lines mid corner if you are not gripping onto the bike with your arms.
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Weighting the inside to initiate the turn is what I do.
But once in the corner, if you are weighting the inside peg, you are asking to crash, and probably using poor body position.
The way I teach it, and the way I do it si mid corner the outside heel, calf and knee are firmly in contact with the bike. I would not call that weighting the outside peg, but putting my weight to the outside leg I guess. I am not literally pressing on teh outside peg at all. I could theoretically lift my inside foot off the peg though if I wanted to. All my weight is supported by my ass on the seat and outside leg into the tank. I could also let go of the bars because of this, and I show it in my classes. I can transfer my body from one side of the bike, without touching the bars.
If you weight the inside peg mid corner, the forces you are putting are horizontal to the ground basically, and can cause the bike to push mid corner.
And handle bars are for steering, and convenient places to put controls. They are NOT for holding on to. That is what the knee pockets on the tank are for.
Weighting the inside to initiate the turn is what I do.
But once in the corner, if you are weighting the inside peg, you are asking to crash, and probably using poor body position.
The way I teach it, and the way I do it si mid corner the outside heel, calf and knee are firmly in contact with the bike. I would not call that weighting the outside peg, but putting my weight to the outside leg I guess. I am not literally pressing on teh outside peg at all. I could theoretically lift my inside foot off the peg though if I wanted to. All my weight is supported by my ass on the seat and outside leg into the tank. I could also let go of the bars because of this, and I show it in my classes. I can transfer my body from one side of the bike, without touching the bars.
If you weight the inside peg mid corner, the forces you are putting are horizontal to the ground basically, and can cause the bike to push mid corner.
so your weight is diffuse on the outside of the bike as a whole,almost as if youre pulling it down with your leg to maintain the turn?
Just FYI. Getting the outside knee into the tank sounds easy on paper. But when you start trying to do it, it is not as easy as you may think at first.
The secret........... slide back off the tank about 2-3inches. Knee will hit easy as can be then, rather than your thigh hitting
i am the same as joe basically. i weight the inside peg to help turn-in, but then hold on to the bike with my outside leg, taking most if not all pressure off the inside peg during cornering.
The secret........... slide back off the tank about 2-3inches. Knee will hit easy as can be then, rather than your thigh hitting
Great advice.
Joe if you find you are spinning up bad on only one corner and a line change does not do the trick aside from throttle control what are some other tricks?
Sometimes I will lift the bike up more, but keep me in the same spot in space essentially. Pick it up underneath myself. Can be sketchy though because you start to become disconnected from the bike hanging off too far, and if it still does spin up, you might just fall off . I have seen it happen. Sometimes a suspension change is needed, even for only one corner, if it is a crucial corner. The changes will depend on the corner really though, and what is setting it off.
Sometimes I might actually slide back farther in the seat to get more rear traction on corner exit as well. Or if it is close to the end of the corner, I might snap the bike vertical with hard counter steering out of the corner, to get it upright fast and early. It will usually snap a wheelie at the same time, but that is better than a huge spin. It squares off the corner, so doing this will be line dependent really
Just was looking through my latest sport rider magazine, and the "Riding Skills" section on page 86 goes into lower body use a good bit. Just thought I would bring it up
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. I have seen it happen. Sometimes a suspension change is needed, even for only one corner, if it is a crucial corner. The changes will depend on the corner really though, and what is setting it off. 
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