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Old 08-06-2008, 04:22 PM   #1
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CAMs MUST READ!

I'm fresh off the phone with Web and KWS and here is the skinny.

01-06 gsxr1000 intake cam have the same pin location
07-08 1000 cam pin location is different

01-05 gsxr 750 have the same pin location and its the same as the 01-06 1000

06-08 gsxr 750 have the cam pin in a different location. Its in the middle of the cam. Forgot to ask if its the same as the 07-08 1000

so if you have a 01-05 750 you can use the 01-06 1000 intake cam
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Old 08-10-2008, 08:01 PM   #2
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What would you gain by fitting 1000 inlet cams to a 750?
Are the cam profiles different between the two or is it just the same cam fitted to two different models?
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:31 PM   #3
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I have the 06 1000 cams in my 05 750, no issues
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Old 08-12-2008, 04:24 AM   #4
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I have the 06 1000 cams in my 05 750, no issues
the 06 1000 has the same pin location as the 05 750 as stated above if the first post. yes it will work.
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:05 PM   #5
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:08 AM   #6
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Re: CAMs MUST READ!

i have yet to see dyno sheets proving gains from the cams...maybe they are around, but nobody posted them.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:40 PM   #7
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i have yet to see dyno sheets proving gains from the cams...maybe they are around, but nobody posted them.
I had a whole bunch on here years ago. I'm sure they are gone by now. Dont have those dyno runs on my computer anymore an it's been years ago. You wont see much gains on the 05-08 1000 and I'm sure no one will posted them as they dont gain much from cams as those motors are really just cammed out 01-04 1000. Busas and 750 you will see the most gains from. A busa can put up 15hp from cams very easy. Did you know the exhaust cam on a busa has less lift then the stock 750 exhaust cam?? yes in deed

The 1000, there is not much to be gained but you do get some thing from a set of cams it wont be anywhere the types of gains a busa cam gets. They have big cams already. More lift the a stock Busas.
why do you think a 05-08 1000 make about 10 to 15 more hp then the 01-04 1000..? Bore is only .5mm bigger. that wont do it! it's the cams and the head man.

the 750s, well there is afew people that has cams in there bikes. Most dont spend the money on motor stuff as 1000 bucks can get you a 1000 motor.. or they dont have the know how to install the cams and dont want to pay some one to do it for them. Cams are expensive for sure and then you have to pay some one to put them in for you if you dont know how to do it. Then you still get beat up by the 1000 so whats the point?? thats how most people see it. But I did 3 02 750 and every one of them made over 13 hp more dynoed a week apart before and after the cams. Don't believe me?? call my dyno guy and ask him Rayn Schnitz at shnitz racing. he will still have the dyno charts from the 750s I have dynoed.
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143hp gsxr 750 with a 2mm overbore
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Old 08-13-2008, 08:00 PM   #8
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What did the graphs look like before and after? ie. on the 750, did it kill the low end to make gains on the top, did it enhance the mid and the top? Would like to know more, thanks.
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Old 08-13-2008, 09:15 PM   #9
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Re: CAMs MUST READ!

anyone know how you can read cams

aka i have a gsxr 600 engine sitting in my garage meant to have yoshi cams, how am i meant to know they are yoshi cams not just standard cams?
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:48 AM   #10
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What did the graphs look like before and after? ie. on the 750, did it kill the low end to make gains on the top, did it enhance the mid and the top? Would like to know more, thanks.
there was a gain from 5,000 and up. mainly top end. but I used a small intake cam. with a bigger intake cam there would be more of a gain in the mid and lowend as well.
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:04 PM   #11
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there was a gain from 5,000 and up. mainly top end. but I used a small intake cam. with a bigger intake cam there would be more of a gain in the mid and lowend as well.
But did the bike loose anything, hurt driveablity at some spots? Buy bigger cams do you mean a 2007 GSXR 1000 intake cam or Yoshi?

Sorry I'm just trying to wrap my head around what this mod would do, thanks.
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:19 PM   #12
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anyone know how you can read cams

aka i have a gsxr 600 engine sitting in my garage meant to have yoshi cams, how am i meant to know they are yoshi cams not just standard cams?
Yoshi's have stamped Logos and cam infos on theyre camshafts.

Check this out:
http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/Video/Ca...haft_HD_2.html
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:36 PM   #13
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Yoshi's have stamped Logos and cam infos on theyre camshafts.

Check this out:
http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/Video/Ca...haft_HD_2.html

cheers i have to pull the ones out of blown engine i got, and have a look
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:36 PM   #14
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But did the bike loose anything, hurt driveablity at some spots? Buy bigger cams do you mean a 2007 GSXR 1000 intake cam or Yoshi?

Sorry I'm just trying to wrap my head around what this mod would do, thanks.
the cams I used- did hurt the low end some. Below 5,000rpms. Anything above 5,000 had more power. Hit 7,000 and thing would just go!
I used an 02 gsxr 1000 intake cam. That cam is only about .008 more lift then the stock 750 intake cam and I went big on the exhaust cam. If you go with a bigger intake cam it wont hurt the low end at all and you will gain everywhere. At the time- the only bigger intake cam would have been a web cam witch cost money. Now you have more cams to chose from with the 05-06 gsxr 1000 having a bigger intake cam.
there is mostly always some tried off with putting new cams in a motor. where it be low end power or high end power. You can get both, but your not going to get big HP numbers that way. Depends on what you do with the bike I guess.
A road race bike you want a big intake cam and a mild exhaust cam for good mid range power.
A drag bike you want more top end power so you want a mild intake cam and a big exhaust cam. Moves the torque higher in the rpms witch makes more HP.
My set up was for drag racing and cost. The bike with a good ride would go high 9s in the 1/4 @ 142 mph with a 190pound rider. with a pro rider it could go low to mid 9s for sure.

I hope this answers your questions. anymore question call Ryan Schnitz at schnitz racing around 11:00am when he takes tech calls. He rode the bike before and did all the dyno runs. I'm sure he still has the graphs on file.

PS. the 750s that I did the swap in, where never my bikes. I have always owned a 1000. so I cant tell you how the bike felt before the swap. All I know is that it was like riding a 1000 in the upper rpms. I was really impressed riding it after the swap. And the guy that drag raced it beat up on alot of Busas down at the track. He was riding 9.7s and motor with it stretched and he is not a pro by any means.
the owners did say it lost alittle lowend below 5,000 rpms but it wasn't that bad.
After leting another 750 owner here in town ride the bike, he went right out and bought a set of cams to have me put them in his bike. He was impressed also

here is one of the old post I had posted back in the day after the swap. There should be afew more post on here to. Try searching in the Y2K gixxers and beyond forum

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43375
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:39 PM   #15
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It is an accel line, but here is the proof lol. Balls to the walls after 5k

Slashed lines are stock cams
Solid lines are 06 1000 cams

Both lines are with eall other mods, just different cams. The new line is before I really got into tuning as well, so A/F ratio was not 100% ideal. The curve is even better then this now (I'll see if I can find or make a new line)
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The 1000, there is not much to be gained but you do get some thing from a set of cams it wont be anywhere the types of gains a busa cam gets. They have big cams already. More lift the a stock Busas.
why do you think a 05-08 1000 make about 10 to 15 more hp then the 01-04 1000..? Bore is only .5mm bigger. that wont do it! it's the cams and the head man.
Does this mean that I can get better performance out of my 2002 gsxr 1000 with cams out of an 2005-2006? Will they fit directly in my bike?
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Old 10-08-2008, 08:54 AM   #17
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so if you have a 01-05 750 you can use the 01-06 1000 intake cam
Does that apply to the 600 motor, too?
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Old 10-18-2009, 12:20 AM   #18
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Re: CAMs MUST READ!

Ok, I've done some reading on this cam swap business and I'm just about sold on it. (especially after seeing prices of the yosh cams. Yikes!) I have a 2005 750.

But I want to be crystal clear before I try this. So I have A few questions about this. I hope that you guys will help me out on.

I'm reading that the intake from a 05-06 1000 is the best year to drop into my bike?

How about the indexing of the cams?
Is my assumption of being able to just drop the 1000 intake cam in and lining up the index marks and running it correct?

In moving my intake to the exhaust side, what is the procedure for indexing it? Having the mark 180 out?

I have no desire to smack valves off piston heads. Iíve done that when the timing chain jumped on my 70 cuda. What a mess!

Thanks for tolerating my noobness.
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Old 04-21-2010, 09:42 AM   #19
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barrracudaboy you need to get adjustable cam sprockets and have them degreed in and check the clearances. get a thin head gasket while your at it and a manual cam chain tensioner.
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So I'm still confused about this. Can you swap in 750 or 1000 cams into a 600?
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