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Old 12-05-2012, 07:14 PM   #21
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Re: To help quell the myths of how to brake properly

what is a rear brake?
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:23 PM   #22
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Re: To help quell the myths of how to brake properly

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what is a rear break?
Y'know, after a few hours going at it in the tent, sometimes you just need to rest that special area. Crack open a couple of nattys and just cuddle for a bit.

Then again, usually you and just keep going till the crack of dawn...
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:28 PM   #23
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^^^Hahahaha...you guys are cracking me up tonight.




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Old 12-05-2012, 07:31 PM   #24
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Y'know, after a few hours going at it in the tent, sometimes you just need to rest that special area. Crack open a couple of nattys and just cuddle for a bit.

Then again, usually you and just keep going till the crack of dawn...
he's a horny guy! sometimes i can't even save where i'm at while playing Luigi's Mansion on the gamecube before he gets all nasty with me...
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:22 AM   #25
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Re: To help quell the myths of how to brake properly

I'm one of the few guys with a rigid full-drag bike that has foot controls where I can actuate them in riding position. I don't want to pick my hand up to grab the lever in case it blows into my chest and punches me off the bike. That will never happen on my 150 mph bike, but it could if I progress to faster stuff, so I am trying to establish good habits.

So after the traps, I close the throttle and use the rear brake lightly to get down under 100 or so before I start grabbing at levers and switches. Boy, does it look abused. It's not warped, but the discoloration is evident.

This shows just how little capability our tiny back brake setups have. I want to get video of a night pass and see if it glows like the rotors on the dragsters that don't use parachutes.

Of course I ONLY use the back brake when we are towing the bike back to the pits. More finesse and less chance of me yanking dad off the scooter.
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Re: To help quell the myths of how to brake properly

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he's a horny guy! sometimes i can't even save where i'm at while playing Luigi's Mansion on the gamecube before he gets all nasty with me...
That...just gave me all sorts of horrid mental images...
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:24 PM   #27
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Re: To help quell the myths of how to brake properly

Rear brakes work fine... If you know how to use, for it's desired purpose... It is not meant for stopping power!!!

But it's a helpful tool to settle the chassis...

Here is what I do... Remove 50% of the rear rotor braking surface... The rear will be difficult to lock on dry asphalt... Still brakes, enough to stall the engine... You save about 1 pound on the rear wheel assembly... And, on low traction such as wet asphalt, sand, gravel, or off road, you can still skid like nobodies business!!!

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Old 12-06-2012, 10:20 PM   #28
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Re: To help quell the myths of how to brake properly

The idea for max braking, in bike setup is to set up the bike to allow improved braking.

In normal road racing, under hard braking, it helps to fully extend your arms, scoot back, drop your upper body down and essentially, get your center of gravity as back and as low as possible.

If you look at someone doing a stoppy, they are high and forward.

Some bikes are frustrating - the seat, bars and pegs are set up well for cornering and steering - but awkward for braking.

Generally, you just lightly drag the rear brake - just slightly leading the front brake to keep the rear suspension settled, then apply as much fr brake as you can do w/o lifting the rear, then, as you are pushing the front end into that hairpin, lay on a little more rr brake so you are sliding the rr a bit.
As you are a bit more into the corner, you understeer more (push the front end) and ease off the fr brake, as you are still drifting the rr.
Now, just before the apex, still slightly drifting the rr, start to apply a teeny bit of throttle, using the rr brake to modulate to slightly more than neutral.
As you get to about the apex, apply slightly more throttle, start to countersteer and as you open the throttle more, release the rr brake and drift the rear out of the corner.

I do have some track creds - was AFM #8 years ago - and I think even Nick will remember that I used to holeshot and brake well. What happened between the holeshot and the braking is one reason I was #8....
Oh - that's right, I crashed a little too often.... :-)
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:28 AM   #29
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Re: To help quell the myths of how to brake properly

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Physics vs reality.....

Physics dictates that max breaking is only possible with both wheels on the ground. Reality proves that no human can do it.
That's for cars. Look in motogp. The best breaking is when you have just lifted the rear wheel when front breaking only. Your rear wheel is your gyro, it must never stop rotating, but that's just my opinion.

Use one time when you are out for a drive just the front brake and see the difference.
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