I'm running the 19x18 on stock calipers with Vesrah rjl. Obscene amount of braking power.
Vesrahs
They don't stop any better. Just ridiculous bite that upsets the bike and their let off is just as abrupt.
The 19x20 haw more travel and is easier to modulate but the 18 haw more feel and arguably more power with less effort. So it depends what you like out of brakes
They don't stop any better. Just ridiculous bite that upsets the bike and their let off is just as abrupt.
The 19x20 haw more travel and is easier to modulate but the 18 haw more feel and arguably more power with less effort. So it depends what you like out of brakes
then why so popular among racers?
what would you recommend over Versah?
I have always used EBC HH and they were fine for street riding, but it seemed they glazed or w.e. during trackdays. At the end of the day, on the last session or two, I had very bad brake fade to the point I pitted in early. It was getting dangerous how little braking power I had. This was after I just installed speed bleeders, bled the lines, and ran RBF 600. The bike I just bought has new Versahs on it, but have not been able to ride it yet due to weather and its a trackbike. Looking forward to experiencing them first hand.
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I was thinking about getting a Brembo master for the r6 but I was thinking I should see how good the stock is first.The other thing is I don't know which one to get,19x18.
I bought the RCS so I could figure out which like better. Turns out the 19x18 had too much travel for me.
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then why so popular among racers?
what would you recommend over Versah?
I think the hard initial bite gives people the false sense of hard braking.
I switched from the RJLs to the SBS Dual Carbon and instantly fell in love. The DC's require some serious warmup, though. I drag the shit out of them on the warmup lap.
I have always used EBC HH and they were fine for street riding, but it seemed they glazed or w.e. during trackdays. At the end of the day, on the last session or two, I had very bad brake fade to the point I pitted in early. It was getting dangerous how little braking power I had. This was after I just installed speed bleeders, bled the lines, and ran RBF 600. The bike I just bought has new Versahs on it, but have not been able to ride it yet due to weather and its a trackbike. Looking forward to experiencing them first hand.
Two reasons.
Contingency and parroting. Vesrah has done an awesome job marketing to club racers. If their pads were half as good as their marketing they would be awesome lol.
Same with dunlop tires. 90% of riders can't exploit any tiny differences there are anyway. But their marketing to club riders has been amazing.
I always laugh when a guy asks me why I don't run vesrah because he heard they brake 9000 ft deeper than anything else and then I pass him on the brakes. Or the guy who tells me dunlops are a second faster than any tire.. yet I'm 4 seconds faster than he is.
And a LOT of people who claim vesrah contingency are not running them but rather selling the certificates and running sbs or performance friction
Ebc hh are terrible for track pads. The extreme pro are much better.
I prefer sbs dual carbon as long as you get heat in them and not in the wet. OR performance friction which are hugely popular everywhere but here basically lol. Both have good smooth predictable bite, progressive feel and seamless let off.
I bought the RCS so I could figure out which like better. Turns out the 19x18 had too much travel for me.
I think the hard initial bite gives people the false sense of hard braking.
I switched from the RJLs to the SBS Dual Carbon and instantly fell in love. The DC's require some serious warmup, though. I drag the shit out of them on the warmup lap.
^^hmm. great explanation, thanks. Ill have to look into both of those.
what do you mean by "selling certificates"? Is it a way to "legally" claim Versah contingency money w/o running Versah via a loophole, or is it shady?
Shady
Nobody can see your pads. So as long as they run the stickers they get paid but don't have vesrah pads. Then they either redeem and sell the pads or some shops will take them as cash since they get credit on their parts unlimited order I think.
Nobody can see your pads. So as long as they run the stickers they get paid but don't have vesrah pads. Then they either redeem and sell the pads or some shops will take them as cash since they get credit on their parts unlimited order I think.
gotcha.
what about the dunlops? Ive heard nothing but good about the Dunlop UK N-Tecs, though thats not what I have used. I have always ran the Mich PP for street with great success and ran 3 track days on them with no issues (fastish Int pace). The bike I just bought has Mich Power One B compound on them and I have heard amazing things about those as well. Unfortunately, Mich doesnt make those specific tires anymore, so even if I do end up loving them I wont be able to buy another pair
needless to say I am having to do my research again on what tires to run next season. looking into:
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Ugh why not? Cuz you can't get heat in them? I really don't need something else to change in the wet...
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gotcha.
what about the dunlops? Ive heard nothing but good about the Dunlop UK N-Tecs, though thats not what I have used. I have always ran the Mich PP for street with great success and ran 3 track days on them with no issues (fastish Int pace). The bike I just bought has Mich Power One B compound on them and I have heard amazing things about those as well. Unfortunately, Mich doesnt make those specific tires anymore, so even if I do end up loving them I wont be able to buy another pair
needless to say I am having to do my research again on what tires to run next season. looking into:
what about the dunlops? Ive heard nothing but good about the Dunlop UK N-Tecs, though thats not what I have used. I have always ran the Mich PP for street with great success and ran 3 track days on them with no issues (fastish Int pace). The bike I just bought has Mich Power One B compound on them and I have heard amazing things about those as well. Unfortunately, Mich doesnt make those specific tires anymore, so even if I do end up loving them I wont be able to buy another pair
needless to say I am having to do my research again on what tires to run next season. looking into:
You are talkibg sport tires. I'm talking race tires.
The UK dunlops are great. But they also are $650 a set or some shit. I also think the pirelli front is better and the Mich front is as good. Rear the pirelli is as good. The Mich rear still lacks drive once it starts to spin.
You are talkibg sport tires. I'm talking race tires.
The UK dunlops are great. But they also are $650 a set or some shit. I also think the pirelli front is better and the Mich front is as good. Rear the pirelli is as good. The Mich rear still lacks drive once it starts to spin.
None of those things matter at your pace honestly
Oh, I know. I could prob still get away with the Pilot Powers LOL. Im not racing either so no need for me to buy race tires yet, but I have heard of guys racing with the power ones and 003rs in novice. the pirelli superbike pros have me intrigued, but i dont need that much grip at my present pace. what tire would you say i could use? do i even need the likes of a true 003 or could I get away with a tire like a 003rs?
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