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Old 11-17-2012, 11:47 AM   #21
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Re: What Oil Should I Use?

david, could you perhaps make some bullet points suitable for laymen to read, so i can edit the first post as a disclaimer, so people will read the article with those points in mind? remember... LAYMEN.

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Old 11-17-2012, 11:48 AM   #22
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Re: What Oil Should I Use?

I don't use oil.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:49 AM   #23
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I was on my way to bed when I saw it. I laughed pretty good. But I thought I was only an asshole to BassAgent. (Deservedly so btw)
unless he gets quoted, i don't know what he wrote, but i still confirm your assholery. it is not a bad thing, as i am sure that your well written posts have saved some people a lot of hassle.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:51 AM   #24
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Never heard of it.

So what oil should I use?

Btw I reported this thread as spam because you are gay.
since you are british, why not use the oil that drips off of your women?
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:51 AM   #25
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This guy is clearly not Bobistheoilguy
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:54 AM   #26
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unless he gets quoted, i don't know what he wrote, but i still confirm your assholery. it is not a bad thing, as i am sure that your well written posts have saved some people a lot of hassle.
Thanks
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:07 PM   #27
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Is horse SVS's nickname? This is an oil discussion, not an SVS spunk discussion. Keep it on track.
No, his is too thick...
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:28 PM   #28
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i purposely put common search terms so that when people did a search, they would find the thread, and then perhaps click the link. if i simply posted the link, the same old shitty oil debate would still happen anyway, so i thought search terms would be more helpful. the problem is that there are some people out there who will simply see the search terms, and think this is a debate thread. there is no debate needed, the link is the purpose. if a chemical engineer wants to pop on here and discredit some things in the link, i sincerely hope that they do, but this is not a troll.
I hear ya....but you know that oil threads are always gonna start a debate. Other forums I frequent (FZ1OA, Thumpertalk) also get the same efforts. Everybody gets fired up about oil!!!


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Old 11-17-2012, 12:51 PM   #29
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I hear ya....but you know that oil threads are always gonna start a debate. Other forums I frequent (FZ1OA, Thumpertalk) also get the same efforts. Everybody gets fired up about oil!!!


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the funny thing is that the guys who make it to high miles on their bikes generally already know what oil to use, and the guys who don't know tend to wreck them before the engine goes anyway, making the point moot.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:10 PM   #30
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the funny thing is that the guys who make it to high miles on their bikes generally already know what oil to use, and the guys who don't know tend to wreck them before the engine goes anyway, making the point moot.
Yep....dude with the '12 R1 just wadded it up with a crankcase full of Amsoil that they changed every 1,000 miles. Old bastards (like me) that just ride keep putting in the same oil they've been using for years.....bike just keeps on going.

My only .02...read the owner's manual, folks....then buy the oil that makes you feel good about yourself and your bike. Riding is much more fun that worrying.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:22 PM   #31
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Re: What Oil Should I Use?

Bear in mind the Author is an electrical engineer/circuit board guy that basically had one work week of research total before writing any of this.
- He has limited understanding of chemistry, separation process technology, thermodynamics.
- No understanding of actual refinery processes. Little has actually changed, just new processes added to meet efficiency, regulatory, or other requirements.
- Sulfur in fuel does not dump sulfuric acid in the oil.
- Oil does not burn from engine temp - motor oil flash point is 450-490F. If the motor oil is that hot, you probably have other worries.
- Oil does not have additives for it's ability to neutralize acid - that is a function of the mixture chemistry, and especially of double bonds in napthenic chains.
- Tar and wax build ups come from the oil in break down and conglomeration, not from the engine block metal. Solvent added to dissolve waxes would boil off the first engine cycle.
- The paleologic origins of oil are inaccurate, but it is indeed from aquatic microorganism accumulations.
- Engine oil is not made from Walgreen's mineral oil, it's a fractionating column cut from crude oil.
- One chemical better than a mix - absolutely false. A mix allows you to tweak low temp viscosity and high temp viscosity separately, not possible with a single component.


LAYMEN PORTION
- Additives are not the end all be all of motor oil. If they were, oil additive bottles would let you never change you oil again.
- JASO-MA is needed for safe use on wet clutches. This is the opposite of "energy conserving" oil.
- Oil collects fine particulates from the engine as things wear, including the dust from the clutch plates. Not all of this will be collected in the filter, so regular changes are needed.
- As the oil is crushed in tiny clearances, heat cycled, pumped, and sheared, the viscosity drops as the carbon chains are broken down. As such, it needs replaced from time to time.
- When to replace oil? Check your maintenance schedule. The article writers every 1000 miles seems more frequent than needed.
- What weight? Manual specs, a notch lower if you're Canadian and like to ride cold.
- If there is some water in the oil a good heat cycle will boil it and any other light weight solvents off. Water touching oil doesn't mean it's trash.



PERSONAL NOTES FROM REFINERY VISITS
- There is enough fume in the air at a sour crude refinery to leave a light coating on your clothes. When you walk into an airport later, like Shreveport Regional, their bomb sniffer will go off. You will be escorted behind a blast proof shield for a pat down, no strip search. They will search any luggage you have, everything from your pockets, etc; all of it will be swabbed and bomb tested. They will swab your clothes, pockets, and skin for trace explosives. You will spend a good 4 hours to get through security. Expect considerable questioning.
- If they make a batch of gasoline or diesel with sulfur content below the regulatory limit, they will blend it with sour (high sulfur) fuel to just barely pass. Removing sulfur is expensive, so they work hard to just barely pass government inspection.
- Old motor oil and other oil waste is filtered for coarse junk/sand/etc, and dumped right back in with the crude at the start of the fractionating column.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:33 PM   #32
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Re: What Oil Should I Use?

Damn, this is some good shit right here!
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:49 PM   #33
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Damn, this is some good shit right here!
is that?
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:55 PM   #34
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That was me tearin it up on Dance Club in '85. Learning about oil gets me groovin.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:56 PM   #35
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Re: What Oil Should I Use?

Again rotella t6. I have a bike at 102k and 68k all rotella. It's a no brainier. Don't waste money on amsoil and all the Gimmiks. Just use what I use change every 3k. Ur fine
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:17 PM   #36
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because if it's on the Internet, it must be true....

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Old 11-19-2012, 12:13 PM   #37
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Re: What Oil Should I Use?

I am using Rotella t6 from last 1 yr and getting nice response from it.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:33 AM   #38
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Diesel oil. It amazes me how many idiots still run regular car oil in their bikes, and complain of their clutches slipping. Duuuuhhhh
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:00 AM   #39
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I think it's funny that this thread has morphed into a what oil use thread when that's what macbayne was making fun of
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:13 PM   #40
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I think it's funny that this thread has morphed into a what oil use thread when that's what macbayne was making fun of
i knew it would happen. just not soon. too many people read the first post in a thread and then respond without reading.
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