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Old 11-10-2012, 12:21 PM   #2741
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Well..from simply what you told us... The bike is likely going to handle worse than it did stock from the factory... I am fairly confident he doesn't know what he is doing after what you told us.. Just my 0.02.. It is your bike.. You would feel a world of difference if you got it done properly for not much more money. Just trying to help.
I get it but you just told me that's a going rate for what I'm trying to get done.
What do you mean "You would feel a world of difference if you got it done properly for not much more money"?
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:22 PM   #2742
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I was just asking about Progressive springs; not which springs I should use. You did help, but I knew very little about suspensions and if this cat tells me that he thinks that the best set up, then so be it. I'm not going to call him and tell him "stop what you are doing because a couple guys on the interwebs say they don't know what you are doing and you need to put straight rate springs in them" - I was just asking as far as are Progressiveness Springs any good. I'm sure I could start a thread and get 10 different answers as far as what I should use, but I'm confident he knows what he's doing, I was just curious if Progressive springs were any good.

With any amount of research.. you will find that what we told you is pretty much what any person would tell you.. You wouldn't get 10 different answers. I am not a suspension tuning god by any means.. But I did read Racetech's suspension bible from front to back not too long ago. I am sure Joe or someone else will chime in as well when they see this..
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:28 PM   #2743
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I get it but you just told me that's a going rate for what I'm trying to get done.
What do you mean "You would feel a world of difference if you got it done properly for not much more money"?

That is a going rate for labor.. But he is putting in a spring that is really light at the top of its travel and progressively gets stiffer as the spring compresses, which means that you can't properly set up the suspension to be optimal through the entire range.. Then he is also putting in a heavier fork oil for absolutely no reason.. The only thing that does is slow everything down and hurts adjustability even moreso.. The fact that he is doing those two things, also means that he is probably just going to drop in the spring and reassemble after cleaning the outside.. He isn't going to do a full cleaning.. And your bike has a lot of gunk (metal shavings) in it after all of these years... Your front end is not going to be in any better shape than before you started. If you are going to spend the money to get it set for your weight..you should use a proper spring etc.. otherwise you are just throwing away money... Like I said.. Just trying to help...
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:29 PM   #2744
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I understand, I just don't think what he is going to do in relation to what "me mailing them off to someone who "knows" what they are doing" - if I'm going to feel the difference as far as my style of riding.

Like if I had my guy do a set, then a "a guy that knows what he's doing do a set" - then I take it for a ride around for a while, odds are I won't be able to tell which one is which. But I will be able to tell a difference from those vs. stock, kind of like my little Ohlins story below.

I kind of look at it when I bought my Ohlins shock. When I put it on, I was expecting it to be a million times different. Was it different? Yeah, but I'm not using how it was intended to be used but it I can tell it rides better, but that's about it. Same with my forks, I am expecting them to preform better, but I know it's not going to be like riding on a cloud.

Yeah, I know, cool story bro.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:32 PM   #2745
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What makes you think he won't tear the forks apart and clean them like they should be? With that said, even if mail them off, how would I ever know they actually took them apart and cleaned them?

I understand what you are saying man, and I appreciate it, but I guess I'm just trusting the guy and hoping he does what he is supposed to do.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:37 PM   #2746
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What makes you think he won't tear the forks apart and clean them like they should be? With that said, even if mail them off, how would I ever know they actually took them apart and cleaned them?

I understand what you are saying man, and I appreciate it, but I guess I'm just trusting the guy and hoping he does what he is supposed to do.
You wouldn't know unless you shipped yourself along with your forks. That being said, if you ship them off, you are shipping them off to a company that only does suspension work. They only do one thing and they do it really well. They have all the tools they need and all the experience.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:39 PM   #2747
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I feel ya, but this guy Keith seems to know what he's doing. He was asking me how I ride, my weight with my gear, what I was looking for, etc. I feel confident but you fucks are taking that away from me, now

Wouldn't Progressive Springs be better on the road? I mean if I hit a bump, won't the lighter part of the spring absorb that more than just a straight rate spring? Wouldn't it keep the tire on the ground instead of it possible coming off the ground? (I'm not eve sure if I'm asking that right but I know what I am trying to say)
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:42 PM   #2748
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Well..what he is doing isn't going to make the forks perform better...more than likely worse.... With that being said.. You could have just kept the stock springs (which are also progressive rate) and at least saved an extra $80.

That being said.. you might not have felt that much of a difference with your rear shock..but forks are a different story and much more noticeable .. You get a lot more feedback through your hands and the front end then you do a rear shock..even under normal riding.


If he is already working on the bike..then so be it..but if he hasn't ordered the springs yet..do yourself a favor and get some straight rate springs.. That way at least spending the $80 is justified...
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:44 PM   #2749
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I feel ya, but this guy Keith seems to know what he's doing. He was asking me how I ride, my weight with my gear, what I was looking for, etc. I feel confident but you fucks are taking that away from me, now

Wouldn't Progressive Springs be better on the road? I mean if I hit a bump, won't the lighter part of the spring absorb that more than just a straight rate spring? Wouldn't it keep the tire on the ground instead of it possible coming off the ground? (I'm not eve sure if I'm asking that right but I know what I am trying to say)
We obviously we know everything online.

How your bike is going to respond with the progressive springs is also dependent on the weight of the oil and how much air is in your forks. With the heavier weight and progressive springs I would imagine the bike to feel squishy under lighter loads or bumps providing very little helpful feedback. Then you hit that big bump and BAM you hit the tighter spring at the bottom of your forks travel. I would think that would make your bike more likely to have the wheel come off the ground. At least with a straight rate spring it will be easier to predict the way the bike will handle under load and over bumps.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:49 PM   #2750
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Re: Boredz V49 - Canucks optional :P

Honest answer,for street, it pretty mcuh doesnt matter. You are not way outside the useable weight of the stock springs. Id leave them. Get fresh oil, fresh seals, and a thorough cleaning of the internals, and call it good.

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Old 11-10-2012, 12:49 PM   #2751
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I feel ya, but this guy Keith seems to know what he's doing. He was asking me how I ride, my weight with my gear, what I was looking for, etc. I feel confident but you fucks are taking that away from me, now

Wouldn't Progressive Springs be better on the road? I mean if I hit a bump, won't the lighter part of the spring absorb that more than just a straight rate spring? Wouldn't it keep the tire on the ground instead of it possible coming off the ground? (I'm not eve sure if I'm asking that right but I know what I am trying to say)

In short... No.. Progressive rate springs wouldn't be better on the road.. The lighter part doesn't absorb more.. You are just going through your range of suspension travel even faster until it gets really stiff at the bottom.. With straight rate springs and proper damping.. the suspension is optimal through the entire range and does a good job keeping the front end in contact with the ground over bumps at all speeds... With progressive..and then at the bottom of the range the spring is extremely stiff..

Here.. I found an article that put it better than I did "So why then do the pro linear rate people always say that straight rate springs are better? What's the problem with progressive rate springs?
The first problem is that sportsbikes and racing bikes simply do not have enough suspension travel to take advantage of the progressive rates. The initial softer part of the spring just gets used up straight away leaving a limited amount of travel for the stiffer portion to deal with, resulting in less compliance and less traction"
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:52 PM   #2752
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Joe has spoken. We needed comment any longer
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:53 PM   #2753
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I already suggested that he leave the stock springs if he was just going to replace them with more progressive springs.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:54 PM   #2754
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Joe how was your belated anniversary?
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:57 PM   #2755
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Stuffed ourselves at Longhorns

They have a 30oz porterhouse for two . We split the Tbone section and the Filet section. She had a baked potato and I have asparagus. Apple pie for desert

then we were bums
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:58 PM   #2756
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That sounds so delicious. After all that food you can't do anything but be lazy.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:03 PM   #2757
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But I weight about 260 with all my gear on. What are the stock springs rated at?
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:06 PM   #2758
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I think they are rated at something like 180? If you are heavier, that just means you will eat up the suspension travel faster.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:13 PM   #2759
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I got ya, well thanks guys. Maybe I will just tell him to keep the stock springs then and just clean them up.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:14 PM   #2760
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As you mentioned.. You are going to be riding the speed limit on the street..so it won't matter.. the spring rate for your bike is suited for a gearless 160-170 pd rider (using racetech's calculator). You would only be going the next suggested spring size up from stock.
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