I'm looking for some braided brake lines for an 07 gsxr 600. which are the best. Or the best for the most reasonable amount of money.
I have seen hundreds of 20+ year old bikes with oem lines that work just fine, think if ya look in the owners manual they "suggest" the lines should be replaced every 3-4 years, just to cover their corporate asses..
A good brake bleed/fresh fluid every couple years will give excellent results..
very true, but OP is asking about upgrading to SS lines. I'm hoping it's for performance and not aesthetic reasons. And if that is the case then changing the brake fluid more than once every couple of years will be necessary. That's the only point I was trying to get acrossracing and street riding are not the same thing
When fluid gets wet, it boils easier and also the water in it can boil and gas off and cause spongie brakes.
Since on the street you will almost never get them that hot, fluid boil is a lot less of a concern, and thus change intervals can be far longer.
I never said I proved anything. M<y "proof" that the 4 years is bullshit, is just as valid as your "proof" that it is valid honesltly. the true proof is that there are thousands upon thousands of bikes that have lines more than 4 years old that are fine though . nothing anecdotal about that. It is quite factual actually.macbayne said:just because i disagree,that does not mean that i am retarded. my point through this whole thing is that the service manual recommends an action to be taken. your point through this whole thing is that suzuki is covering their asses by recommending a line change every 4 years. you are also introducing track scenarios and anecdotal evidence that you have personally never seen OEM lines fail in 4 years, as if that proves the designers and producers of a machine are wrong for recommending such a preposterous action.
No. But it has ZERO to do with service limits, and more to do with feel.i will go one better. have you ever seen a fast racer use OEM lines for 4 years?
Have you replaced EVERYTHING your truck states to replace within its service limit... if you say yes i will call absolute bullshit. Nobody does. Service limits are base recomendations. Nothing more.your whole thing appears to me as "throw the maintenance schedule out the window, i know better because i go to the track." now you are gonna out-brake people to prove OEM lines can stop a bike?
this shows your cluelessness. "stiff levers" dont go soft due to lines. Never. Lines dont fade. Fluid or pads fade. Hot day or cold doesnt matter. If they fade it is NOT due to "line expansion" it is due to either fluid or pad fade. Lines expand the same, hot or cold. You can keep your $5 but you are wrong.i would bet that 4 years of hard use on OEM lines WOULD degrade them quite a bit. i have seen stiff levers go pretty damn soft on hot days because of line expansion, and i would bet $5 that that degrades lines.
Your point doesnt stand. There is ZERO good reason to swap the rear other than looks.the fact is that the service manual says change them. will they fail at 4.1 years? no, probably not, but my point stands.
yes you were drinking, it seems obvious. you honestly think that feel from SS lines is magic? rubber lines expand with the pressures applied from the lever and the resistance of the pads. after time when heat builds up, the rubber becomes more pliable, and thus they expand more and more by the end of the day. add-in the hundreds of degrees that your brake fluid is at by induction from the calipers, and you get more expansion. if rubber lines were better, no one would convert. all rubber wears-out when bent and distorted over time.so your recommendation for swapping rear is honestly because of looks. Thanks. That is all i needed to know.
now to respond to all the bs in previous post... even after drinking too much.
I never said I proved anything. M<y "proof" that the 4 years is bullshit, is just as valid as your "proof" that it is valid honesltly. the true proof is that there are thousands upon thousands of bikes that have lines more than 4 years old that are fine though . nothing anecdotal about that. It is quite factual actually.
No. But it has ZERO to do with service limits, and more to do with feel.
Here is a pro tip for ya. Stock rubber lines stop JUST as well as aftermarket steel lines do. The differnce is not in stopping power, but rather in feel, and ability to accurately modulate the brakes. Steel lines do NO stop any better
Have you replaced EVERYTHING your truck states to replace within its service limit... if you say yes i will call absolute bullshit. Nobody does. Service limits are base recomendations. Nothing more.
Yes. I will take any stock brake line... 4 years old, ten years old, 20 years old and use it to prove it is not outside any useful limit. Absolutely. this shows your cluelessness. "stiff levers" dont go soft due to lines. Never. Lines dont fade. Fluid or pads fade. Hot day or cold doesnt matter. If they fade it is NOT due to "line expansion" it is due to either fluid or pad fade. Lines expand the same, hot or cold. You can keep your $5 but you are wrong.
Your point doesnt stand. There is ZERO good reason to swap the rear other than looks.
Hint. I still have an OEM rear. I use the rear more than the average racer. Even better........I still have the OEM fluid in the rear. Why? because it is fine as it is. I dont use it enough to fade it. I dont use it enough to damage the lines. And the oem rear lines 6-7 years later are MORE than fine for track use. There is ZERO real reason other than looks to swap a rear line. Efven better, other than FEEL there is ZERO good reason to swap the front unless you need the added feel. Even after 5-10 years of normal use.
I would bet you cant find ONE single instance of a failed brake line inside any average use period
.you are right, they also "suggest" changing oil every 3500 miles. that shit is only because they are in bed with big oil.
that statement about oil was sarcasm, equating that poster's dismissal of the manual as legal ass-covering. i am perfectly aware that service "limits" are not really the limits of performance, but everything degrades.Meh. I am bored with this.
You stand by your manual....... but said this :blink
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Hypocritical much?
The fibers in the lines are sandwiched between a hose designed to resist brake fluid, and a hose designed to resist the elements. Those fibers are what give the lines their strength. They are not degraded by anything you have stated. They DO give more than stainless steel when used in the EXACT same capacity (sandwiched between an outter casing, and an inner hose carrying brake fluid) but they do so very consistently. It doesnt change with heat. The fluid, rotors, and pads DO change with heat though, and cause fade. Lines dont cause fade.
the elements do not degrade the outter casing in anything near 4 years.
The brake fluid does not degrade the inner casing in anything near 4 years
Your motor oil under normal average use does not degrade in anything NEAR as short as 3500 miles.
All of the factory service limits are in place for worst case scenarios, WITH a safety margin built in as well, under most any reasonable operating condition.
RE caliper seals. Like any gaskets, some piston rings, and any other "sealing" device, once disturbed from their original positions of wear, they are far more prone to leaking. That is why I replace them. . The caliper pistons are not perfect. As such they wear the seals in position. If you change that position they no longer fit. They leak.