Hi,

I just made my first powerslide in street. It was awesome feeling, and I would like to learn to do it in more controlled manner. I'm not trying to be a squid and do it on street, but it would be great to learn to control a powerslide during a corner in track(in street as well if accidentally powerslide).

So is there anything tricks&tips to do a powerslide? What factors should be taken into consideration? I hear that some racers use rear brake when entering a corner to get a powerslide? And with powerslide a corner could be taken through with a greater speed?

When I get from corners I'm always afraid to get hard on throttle cuz I fear that I would lose grip from rear tyre and get totalled, but I guess it won't flip it over so easily? Today, my first powerslide did feel quite neutral in my butt. I just heard rise of rpm and a experienced sliding movement from rear. So I guess in powerslide there is no much feedback from bike and tyre. I'm really looking forward to get back on throttle hard when I'm exiting corners, so it's more likely to get powerslides. Do you have any advices to not to flip it and to have a controlled powerslide? Also have any of you crashed because of powersliding?


Thanks

By the way, I think suspensions affects on powersliding and I'm weight only 58kg and as I know the stock suspensions are tuned for a 65 - 75kg rider. So would this stiff/hard suspension make it easier to feather and do powerslides? I'm not afraid of powerslides, but I'm afraid of powersliding to much and get a highsider or something...

Always be smooth on the throttle, never just drop throttle because it's sliding, ride out the slide and don't take it too far

Always be smooth on the throttle, never just drop throttle because it's sliding, ride out the slide and don't take it too far

Yep - dropping the throttle is a good way to start a highside... Take tires into consideration - street tires aren't made for it and if you do it repeatedly you'll lose grip

Yep - dropping the throttle is a good way to start a highside... Take tires into consideration - street tires aren't made for it and if you do it repeatedly you'll lose grip

Yep, tempting a highside for sure.

But if you are going to slide, then less grippy tyres are better as the stickier ones generate quite a bit of heat quite quickly when they spin - this means they could suddenly generate enough grip to flip you over the... highside!

Learn better throttle control and try to avoid powerslides. If you're rear end is sliding out it means your not driving forward as efficiently as you could.

All these raceteams wouldn't be babbling so much about traction control if they actually wanted their bikes sliding all over the place. Practice to learn to control and and recover from it, but don't induce it to tempt a crash.

SPL is the master of powerslide...


































in tt that is :D

+1 on spl

yea, i don't think you want to be practicing this on the streets either. I think you've been watching too much Fast and the Furious 3. Drift's might "look" cool, but on bikes, ur just losing traction.

Yep, tempting a highside for sure.

But if you are going to slide, then less grippy tyres are better as the stickier ones generate quite a bit of heat quite quickly when they spin - this means they could suddenly generate enough grip to flip you over the... highside!


When the tire gets spun, in this example a powerslide it only heats the top of tire meaning the carcass, and they dont generate heat any quicker then normal cornering

When the tire gets spun, in this example a powerslide it only heats the top of tire meaning the carcass, and they dont generate heat any quicker then normal cornering

Not sure that I agree with this. Compare a tyre after a couple of miles of hard riding, to a tyre that has just been used to do a burnout. I will put my hand on the tyre that has been ridden, but not the burnout tyre.

Not sure that I agree with this. Compare a tyre after a couple of miles of hard riding, to a tyre that has just been used to do a burnout. I will put my hand on the tyre that has been ridden, but not the burnout tyre.


Ive read more than once in more than a few places that Fridayman is right. Actually now that I think about it the topic was on the movie Faster.

Yep, tempting a highside for sure.

But if you are going to slide, then less grippy tyres are better as the stickier ones generate quite a bit of heat quite quickly when they spin - this means they could suddenly generate enough grip to flip you over the... highside!

Actually the sticky race tires slide in a much more predictable and controllable way ;)

While losing traction isn't a good thing in most cases, it can be useful if you're about to run wide in a corner. Spinning the rear a bit points you more inward. Use it occationally myself - on the track...

But again - do not try this at home - or on the street...

Not power sliding but controlled sliding at its absolute best.
Watch the first 10 seconds of this clip and tell me sticky tyres don`t slide.
http://www.rapidupload.com/d.php?file=dl&filepath=13129

SVS...are you aware that you have over 26,000 posts?

That is unbelievable.

26,000 posts? I don't think I've even spoken that many times in my life!

just kidding...no flames, please

SVS...are you aware that you have over 26,000 posts?

That is unbelievable.

Yeah - it's a combination of internet at work, a long winter and no life outside of riding season :lol

I haven't saw Too fast too furious 3, do they even ride with bikes? Umm... I'm not planning to learn to use that in corners constantly, but I would like to know how to proceed when this happens. Today I just rode with new R6R and with new tires. It started to rain... well as you might guess, I had quite many(MANY) slides in my 1hour ride. I rode quite aggressively in straights and faaast turns, mainly acceleration and engine-braking, because I was trying to break-in(the hard way) the engine. I must say that those new Dunlop Qualifiers & wet asphalt == VERY SLIPPERY!

I haven't saw Too fast too furious 3, do they even ride with bikes? Umm... I'm not planning to learn to use that in corners constantly, but I would like to know how to proceed when this happens. Today I just rode with new R6R and with new tires. It started to rain... well as you might guess, I had quite many(MANY) slides in my 1hour ride. I rode quite aggressively in straights and faaast turns, mainly acceleration and engine-braking, because I was trying to break-in(the hard way) the engine. I must say that those new Dunlop Qualifiers & wet asphalt == VERY SLIPPERY!


Are you:
a):piss ing in our pockets
b) not really wheel spinning but your clutch is slipping big time :lol
or c)
A riding God :blink

Votes please;

Its not definately a and its not b, because I can feel the sliding, and I'm not riding good. In which part you think I'm kidding? Could you just imagine new tires, fast corner to a straight, with throttle proggressively increased to fully open position? (I wanted to revv it to limiter in 2nd gear and have good engine-braking because I'm braking the engine in) That 1 hour ride was basically just braking engine and transmission in. Even a noob with new tires, in rain, and bit of cracking throttle movement would get a slide.

Its not definately a and its not b, because I can feel the sliding, and I'm not riding good. In which part you think I'm kidding? Could you just imagine new tires, fast corner to a straight, with throttle proggressively increased to fully open position? (I wanted to revv it to limiter in 2nd gear and have good engine-braking because I'm braking the engine in) That 1 hour ride was basically just braking engine and transmission in. Even a noob with new tires, in rain, and bit of cracking throttle movement would get a slide.

In that case it's:

d) Fucking lucky you didn't wad it :lol

Hmm I think you are thinking about sliding in a very great angle? Like I was cornering and so on and had powerslide when I cracked the throttle open. Nope. It was a fast corner, and I went quite slow(because of the rain). I had maybe 5-8° of lean angle. Not like in my limits at something like 45° and whacked the throttle open, in RAIN and with NEW tyres.

Hmm I think you are thinking about sliding in a very great angle? Like I was cornering and so on and had powerslide when I cracked the throttle open. Nope. It was a fast corner, and I went quite slow(because of the rain). I had maybe 5-8° of lean angle. Not like in my limits at something like 45° and whacked the throttle open, in RAIN and with NEW tyres.

:thumbup

Yeah, when I think powersliding, I'm thinking 45+ degrees lean angle - controlled oversteering through a corner :D

:cheers

rain and new tyres isnt powersliding its just stupid.

if you are hearing the revs increase significantly then you are in the danger zone. handling the rear stepping out is an important part of learning to ride fast. the difference between binning it and staying on course is a fine line and not really something to be practiced on the street if you value your own well being.

if you are interested on riding fast then you want to avoid cracking the throttle. turn in later and harder, and open the throttle earlier in your exit and you will control the amount the rear steps out.

one of the main reasons slow guys high side is because they enter the corner earlier forcing a wider, slower arc and thus are forced to wait to open the throttle when they do the sudden change in momentum and force on the rear tyre causes a loss of traction and the rest is history.

I had one entrance ramp on my way to school that was just perfect for practicing corner exit slides. For some reason the pavement was a little slicker then most. So in 1st gear on my 01 1k I could get on the ramp and with minimal lean roll the gas and start the rear spinning. With the little lean the rear stepped out only an inch or so and was easliy controlled. Even a few times I got the small wheelie at the end of the gear then flipped over for the left part of the rame into 2nd and start the spin again.

But According to Tire techs from Gary McCoy's days they saw that when he spun the rear A LOT, the tire only heated up on the surface not the core of the tire. But if you are just barely sliding (rear only 20-30 mph more then front) it will cause extra heat through the tire and shorten tire life.

Your best bets to come back from a slide is to roll the gas on and stand it up with the tire spinning. But if you just stop rolling the gas (not let off) at leans it may let the tire come back on it's own.

rain and new tyres isnt powersliding its just stupid.

if you are hearing the revs increase significantly then you are in the danger zone. handling the rear stepping out is an important part of learning to ride fast. the difference between binning it and staying on course is a fine line and not really something to be practiced on the street if you value your own well being.

if you are interested on riding fast then you want to avoid cracking the throttle. turn in later and harder, and open the throttle earlier in your exit and you will control the amount the rear steps out.

one of the main reasons slow guys high side is because they enter the corner earlier forcing a wider, slower arc and thus are forced to wait to open the throttle when they do the sudden change in momentum and force on the rear tyre causes a loss of traction and the rest is history.

I didn't refer the rain and new tyres to powersliding in my first post. I just mentioned it later, because it felt quite same in my butt. I know it's sorta stupid, but the R6R's powerband was so unpredictable(have a look to R6R's dyno graph; even when I went to constant throttle, it sometimes surprised me). As I said I went to a about 5-10° of banking degree, not like 45° and cracked the throttle open, with new tyres and wet condition.

sori but how do you guys do that powerslide? Do we have to gain speed then given 2 gears down before a throttle and cornering the bike at a countersteer position, anyone able to teach or enlighten~?

sori but how do you guys do that powerslide? Do we have to gain speed then given 2 gears down before a throttle and cornering the bike at a countersteer position, anyone able to teach or enlighten~?

I control it with the throttle in the corners at good lean (knee dragging lean). I have a 750 that's geared -1, +2 and even with warmed up medium compound slicks it can break traction - in a controlled manner :D It's useful if you find you need to get around a corner a little sharper than initially.

The other possibility is to break traction with the rear brake and then spinning up the wheel with the throttle.

But again:

Do not practice this on public roads!!!!!

Hi,

So is there anything tricks&tips to do a powerslide? What factors should be taken into consideration? I hear that some racers use rear brake when entering a corner to get a powerslide? And with powerslide a corner could be taken through with a greater speed?

When I get from corners I'm always afraid to get hard on throttle cuz I fear that I would lose grip from rear tyre and get totalled, but I guess it won't flip it over so easily? Today, my first powerslide did feel quite neutral in my butt. I just heard rise of rpm and a experienced sliding movement from rear. So I guess in powerslide there is no much feedback from bike and tyre. I'm really looking forward to get back on throttle hard when I'm exiting corners, so it's more likely to get powerslides. Do you have any advices to not to flip it and to have a controlled powerslide? Also have any of you crashed because of powersliding?


Thanks


To do a powerslide you gotta lock the back wheel. Once the back wheel is locked apply the throttle fully then release the back brake to start powersliding.

Ya, powersliding can tighten up your turns and make faster corners but then the bike becomes unstable. Just be careful if you push it too hard you'll HIGHSIDE !


:cheers

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iMNvU6idyHY

bring out the squid jags..!:D

flame all you like but stunting is good for bike control.:flipoff :D

Now unless your name is Valentino Rossi I wouldn't attempt to try something like that on a regular basis. As somebody mentioned you've probably been watching too much drifting and now you figured it would be a cool idea to start drifting your bike..... which IMO is just...... ridiculous. :nono

If you want to "practice" something like this you better be prepared for a pretty dramatic highside. And I don't think sliding in the rain is possible without wrecking.... Rain + lean + tire spin = you sliding across the wet pavement. :wacko

does any one have the video of a busa powesliding around a bend? he gets it pretty crossed up but holds it over and over again....


also who remembers Gary McCoy?? what a fine powerslider he was....

Yeah ask Gary how many Broken bones he has......

But he was good. I think the guy you are thinking of is Shane "Shakey" Byrne from the video of Mach 1 on 99 copper and silver Busa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t07JPQH1XpA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t07JPQH1XpA

That wasn't a stunt slide. That was abuse of a rear tire by way of pure horsepower.

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Now THIS is a powerslide (apologies if you've seen it before):

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Hell Yeah! :punk

That is a God showing off.. I wish I could have found video, there was a race (Estoril or Jerez) that had a corner (track surface was very slide condusive) where capirossi and rossi would start a slide at the same point around the corner (about 70% around the corner) and run it out. At one point they were both sliding side by side in unison. That was flat out a joy to watch.