Hey guys;

I'm looking at picking up a 06 750 for my first bike. My good friend rides a 1000 and he will be 'showing me the rope's' so to speak.

I am just looking for some words of encouragement I guess? I am of course often told that this isn't a good idea at all..

I plan on spending alot of time in the parking lots just practicing the most basic of basics. I should mention that I passed a Safety Course already here.. ( I guess my old mini-bike experience helped a bit )

So, any suggestions or any advice or training tips.. i'm really nervous to just sit on the bike, I think that's a good way to be when i'm first starting off.

Please any comments good or bad, hopefully someone knows someone who learned on a 750.

Tim

whats up bro, u did the EXACT same thing i did.. your one step ahead with the safety course, if YOU believe you can do it, then do it. I read up everything i could before i even sat on the bike, things to always remember in case of panic...things like that, i rode around my complex for 2 weeks before i ever took her into the street, i now have 2 bikes, and a brand new gixxer 750, i learned ona 2001 750...just take your time..learn slow, i wouldnt suggest learning on ur friends 1000 unless u can pay for any damages you do to it. at least if you have your own bike, you will take better care of it...and wont get to crazy, and if you do get crazy then you dont belong on a bike at this point in time. responsibility is HUGE with these things in between your legs. As long as you have basic common sense and know your limits, you should do fine.

only down side is you are starting out on a BRAND NEW bike, i started on a 2001 750, 2 year old bike at the time, i never dropped it or did any damage to it but also it was paid off, if you fuck up your brand new 750, your gunna be making payments and trying to save up to fix the thing at the same, and you dont get to ride...just things to remember...

lotsa these guys will say your dumb, and this and that, and say its horrible to start off with...but none of these guys know you like you know yourself. so, just rememeber that.

Appreciate it my friend. I guess I learn pretty quickly. My buddy actually showed up at the training course on his 1000. Took me for lunch on the back, first time I ever sat on one.. lets say once we hit the highway I was hooked http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I think I will take the fairings off while I ride around in the parking lots / neighbourhood for a 'while' http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks again for the comment! - it's good news

Well Tim, are you sure you want to start with something that big. I see that you passed a MSF course which is great. What makes you want to start out on a 750? Is it because your friend has a 1000? He might be able to give you some pointers but there is nothing better than experience. I just purchased a 750 2 weeks ago. I purchased an SV650s to start out on and I'm glad I did. The 750 has ALOT of power. No one can convience you to purchase a smaller bike-it is your decision. However, you can get by on a larger I4 but the margine for error is alot greater.

Is riding small minibikes your only experience? If so, I would not buy the 750. Look long and hard at the SV. It has alot of torque since it is a Vtwin but it will not jump out from under you as easily as a 750.

Good luck in what you decide.

Thanks Tye for the comments...

It has been a good year and I plan on paying for the bike upfront, I am just worried that I'll get 'bored' of a 600 in a year or so and have to trade it in and take a hit.

I'm 195 pounds and I am told that a 750 would be a good fit for me and keep me more than happy for years to come.... I just don't want to give the dealers any more reason to make money off me http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

it's your money get the bike that you wanna buy. Whatever you do respect the bike, don't think you know how to handle it cause that will be when it will teach you a lesson. Respect the bike, ride it a lot and learn how to handle it and you should be okay.

Tim, I to am around 190 lbs. I put 10,000 miles(in one year- not a whole lot) on the SV and learned alot. I did take it in the pants on the trade in but I think the experience I learned was well worth it. I also have a friend who is riding a TL1000R and I felt I needed a bigger bike. I traded up because I wanted a 750. This was my first inline 4 and I was shocked at the power. Riding in a straight line and going fast is easy!!!!! Go into some corners and you will see that it takes experience.

One other thing to remember is the cost. I have never dropped a bike and they say" it usually happens early to new riders" Do you want to screw up a $6500 bike or a $10,000 bike? I have heard that fixing a bike isn't cheap.

As mentioned above, only you can make the decision on what bike is right for you.

You're right. It's too bad there's no where that rents dirt bikes or anything like that. If there was someone who was offering 'lessons' for the day on some sort of smaller bike i'd sign up in a second. Maybe that's a decent business idea?

I should mention that the insurance from a 600 to 750 is only an extra $10 a month I believe ( through State Farm ) so I thought a 750 would be the better route..

I was reading a post earlier from someone who just got the 06 600, for his first bike, and he dropped it making a right hand turn in traffic.. had to slow down quickly I guess?

Well.. I can't get insurance until May.. maybe I can find someone who will let me practice on their dirt bike..

Don't get it as your first bike. The GSXR-750, especially not the brand new one is not an entry level bike for a beginner.


Go to the starting line forum and do some reading up about people wanting to make R bikes their first bikes.

What he said...

Don't get it as your first bike. The GSXR-750, especially not the brand new one is not an entry level bike for a beginner.
If you're not in a hurry listen to what this man has said. Start off with a beater and then move up. It can be done you know statring on a 750 that is. I myself statred with a 97 SRAD and put 1 year and 14,000 miles in her before i bought an 05 600. I think the only place you will run out of power on the 600 is the track without hurting yourself or possibly someone else.

If you do get it take your time and have a lot of patience. Go to Pahrump and your knowledge will jump leaps and bounds. Good luck and when you do start riding be safe. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif


Go to the starting line forum and do some reading up about people wanting to make R bikes their first bikes.

If there was someone who was offering 'lessons' for the day on some sort of smaller bike i'd sign up in a second. Maybe that's a decent business idea?



Uhhhh, yeah...they call it the MSF course. I thought you said you passed a safety course. It wasn't MSF was it?

please do not get that bike as your first




btw, if you do, I CALL DIBBS ON ANY SALVAGEABLE PARTS!!!!

Lol.. dibbs!!

Yea but the Safety course wasn't great for learning I don't think. Too much too quick. I'd like to have a week of practice at least on a 120 or something ..

You sound like you yourself are not sure of your abilities (and very much rightly so considering the circumstances) but you are prepaired to throw down the money and purchase a bike that makes as much HP as an R1 did when it first came out.

It think you need to re-evaluate this decision a little more. Take it down a notch, get a smaller, older used bike, save yourself some money and cut your teeth for a little while on that, then down the road a little re-asses what level of skill you are at and then take it from there....................please.

Appreciate your comments SPL170db..

Maybe if you guys don't mind you can just give me some info about what having a smaller bike first helps with?

What will I learn on a 120 cc bike that I wouldn't learn on a 750? Is there that much difference in the fundementals?

If i'm taking a corner at 60kphr on a 120 cc as apposed to a 750, is the difference in the skills required to complete the tasks that significant between the 2 bikes?

Please any info you guys can give me i'd appreciate.. thanks again so far.

I'm 195 pounds and I am told that a 750 would be a good fit for me and keep me more than happy for years to come.... I just don't want to give the dealers any more reason to make money off me http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Bro, I'm also about 195lbs and I race a 04 600 (the 600 replaced my 2000 750) and I run lap time as fast or faster than I did on my 750. Trust me, the 600 is not a slow bike.

njracer

Appreciate your comments SPL170db..

Maybe if you guys don't mind you can just give me some info about what having a smaller bike first helps with?

What will I learn on a 120 cc bike that I wouldn't learn on a 750? Is there that much difference in the fundementals?

If i'm taking a corner at 60kphr on a 120 cc as apposed to a 750, is the difference in the skills required to complete the tasks that significant between the 2 bikes?

Please any info you guys can give me i'd appreciate.. thanks again so far.



yes, you will learn more.........how about clutch, throttle control, better braking techniques. And lets not forget, that a smaller bike will less likely to get you into trouble with your inexperiences

it is your money............but take heed. If you value your money and your life, it is best to start on a bike better suited to your needs.......



btw, i wish the US would implent those cc restriction laws like they do in Europe.

Thanks Jimmy..

Is it possible to learn clutch and throttle and braking techniques by practicing in a large parking lot for a month or something before even going out on the street?

What do you guys think.

no, a parking lot will not simulate real street riding situations

It's all about clutch, brake and throttle becoming second nature instead of having to think about which one you need to grab in a split second. The bigger you go the margine for error decreases temendously. Where an SV would be a little more forgiving. The GSXR turns faster, accelerates harder and brakes quicker. When that car pulls out in front of you( and they will) the proof will be wheather you eat the cage or can make an avoidance manouver.

what the hell are you guys doin posting at 3:00 in the morning?

Whether you get a 750, a 600 or an SV...GET A USED ONE. you will take a hit if you eventually move up but consider it a down-payment on some skills. plus, you may find that you don't need to trade up.

a 600 is straight for whatever you want to do with the bike. you'll also learn alot more because you won't be able to rely on your stright-line speed. the fundamentals will come easier and plus: real men ride 600's...

peace.

what the hell are you guys doin posting at 3:00 in the morning?





The clock on here is off................it's 4:40 PM where I'm at.

what the hell are you guys doin posting at 3:00 in the morning?





The clock on here is off................it's 4:40 PM where I'm at.



4:42 here....lol

I started off on a brand new 2004 750. I've been riding for a solid two years now. Yeh I know to most people that ain't shit, but I've logged in somewhere around 25,000 miles now. I've never had any problems. I took a riders course first, picked up my bike trailored it home and took it around the block a couple of times and said fuck and hit the streets. I also took the MSF course on base with my own bike. I think the initial break-in period is a good thing for a new rider because it stops you from going all out. In my honest opinion i don't think I lost out on anything by starting on the 750, but keep in mind that i never questioned my own abilities. To me it solely depends on the person. I know some guys who started on smaller bikes and still can't ride for shit, I also know guys who started on sportbikes and are pretty good riders. You are alway going to get mixed views on this subject. Honestly I could not stand the looks of a 250, 500 or sv650 and it played a big part in my decision making. I've rode with a lot of guys some who have been riding for 10 plus years and i'm just as good as they are if not better. I also did a lot of research on the bike i wanted and to this day everytime I ride I look for things I can improve on. I've also read numerous books and talked to more experienced riders. If you take the time to learn the bike and constantly improve on your skills you will be ok. Its certainly not the beast everyone made it out to be. I've hit potholes before and accidently revved the throttle and it did not shoot 12o'clock in the air like some will have you believe. To this day i haven't dropped it yet "knock on wood." http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif

Thanks sikkgixx.. I am not one to push my luck that's for sure.

I have been studying quite a bit since last summer's course... but I appreciate any of the info or tips you can give me that might help me out this season..

Nice bike man.

I think you should get the 750 if you really want it. If your a smart guy who knows his limits and doesn't take life for granted, nothing will happen to you on a 750 that wouldnt happen on a 600, 1000 or 1300.

nothing will happen to you on a 750 that wouldnt happen on a 600, 1000 or 1300.




Haha, try accidently feeding too much throttle coming out of a corner on a GS500, then try it on a 1000 and tell me if you still feel the same way.

nothing will happen to you on a 750 that wouldnt happen on a 600, 1000 or 1300.




Haha, try accidently feeding too much throttle coming out of a corner on a GS500, then try it on a 1000 and tell me if you still feel the same way.



Im not talking about the bikes power or anything. I was refering to the fact that if he is smart, rides smart, and is careful all he has to do is worry about the other boneheads on the road. Obviously bigger bikes have more power and require more rider attention but Im assuming he has the common sense to know that as well.

I just wanted to add my 2 cents....
I bought a brand new bike as my first bike after finding out they were financing them to idiot's. My 2 buddies got bored one day and decided to buy bikes, it was the most implusive thing ever. Both didnt have MSF and both had no riding experience. I had always told them i was interested in riding this last summer but never had the money nor balls to buy a bike. Well they swing on by my place with no glasses, no gear, and two half naked chicks in skirts on the backs of their shiny black/gray and red/black 05 gixxers. One of the guys dropped it first thing, after he got it, at the dealership parking lot,(cuz he wanted to ride it home). The other guy hasn't laid his down. As for me they let me borrow the dropped one to go on a view rides with them. I honestly shit my pants, and never had so much fun in my life... instantly fell in llove, even though scarred as hell. After asking him to go riding on them every week for about a month, I knew for sure I wanted this everyday and ending up buying the yellow/blue 05 brand new for a first bike. I would have never done it if I didnt have idiot friends...so what im trying to say is.... I missed out on messing around with an older bike. Getting a new bike you run the risk of messing it up and having an older bike you get the joy of having something to look foward to.... like getting a brand new bike. I never got that feeling.

dont do it....sv650, you'll be alot happier on the 750 in about two years

nothing will happen to you on a 750 that wouldnt happen on a 600, 1000 or 1300.




Haha, try accidently feeding too much throttle coming out of a corner on a GS500, then try it on a 1000 and tell me if you still feel the same way.



Im not talking about the bikes power or anything. I was refering to the fact that if he is smart, rides smart, and is careful all he has to do is worry about the other boneheads on the road. Obviously bigger bikes have more power and require more rider attention but Im assuming he has the common sense to know that as well.



Yes, unfortunately smart, careful and experienced doesn't just materialize out of thin air, it takes..........well, experience.

You can't point your finger at someone and say "OK, there's a 140hp motorcycle, now I know you've never ridden before but go ride that thing carefully."

How is someone to know what "careful and smart" is. They won't and they can't, unfortunately only experience teaches us that. Maybe they think all the while they are riding careful and smart yet their technique is all wrong and they are on the verge of crashing and not even realize it. The fact of the matter is, mistakes happen as you are learning, it's just a fundamental part of the learning process, we try to learn from our mistakes and the bottom line is, this bike is going to be much less forgiving of those mistakes than something else less aggressively designed.

Thanks sikkgixx.. I am not one to push my luck that's for sure.

I have been studying quite a bit since last summer's course... but I appreciate any of the info or tips you can give me that might help me out this season..

Nice bike man.



The only tips I can give you are to honestly evaluate yourself and how you did and felt while riding in the MSF course. I know that feeling of nervousness when you first sit on the bike but if you've taken a MSF course everything they taught you still applies to the 750 just as it did on a 250. Don't be afraid of the bike it will only react to the input you give it. Smoothness on and off the throttle " slow is smooth, smooth is fast." I must admit though the bike in the avatar is not mine but my 05 750 is identical minus the full yoshi dual tip I only have the yoshi slip on TRS. Guessing I should change my avatar http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif

nothing will happen to you on a 750 that wouldnt happen on a 600, 1000 or 1300.




Haha, try accidently feeding too much throttle coming out of a corner on a GS500, then try it on a 1000 and tell me if you still feel the same way.




hey hey hey !! i ride a gs...and let me tell you, alittle to much throttle and it sits there and bogs!! oh ya !! but seriously i have been on a gs500 for a year, and the thing has a messed up fork seal so it brakes like shit..and i have learned alot. I have locked up the back and almost everything u can think off. And i have been down, all in one year...but when i got on a friends 600 i could really appreciate all teh goodies the bike had to offer instead of being scared. I could utilize it...that to me is the biggest difference. And sometimes when iam mad and hit the gas....i dont go far which is always safe. but when i get my k6 in a few months....lets just say iam glad i got my aggretion out on a gs500. not to mention i use to kick my friends ass with my gs int he canyons and he had his r6...

nothing will happen to you on a 750 that wouldnt happen on a 600, 1000 or 1300.




Haha, try accidently feeding too much throttle coming out of a corner on a GS500, then try it on a 1000 and tell me if you still feel the same way.



Im not talking about the bikes power or anything. I was refering to the fact that if he is smart, rides smart, and is careful all he has to do is worry about the other boneheads on the road. Obviously bigger bikes have more power and require more rider attention but Im assuming he has the common sense to know that as well.



Yes, unfortunately smart, careful and experienced doesn't just materialize out of thin air, it takes..........well, experience.

You can't point your finger at someone and say "OK, there's a 140hp motorcycle, now I know you've never ridden before but go ride that thing carefully."

How is someone to know what "careful and smart" is. They won't and they can't, unfortunately only experience teaches us that. Maybe they think all the while they are riding careful and smart yet their technique is all wrong and they are on the verge of crashing and not even realize it. The fact of the matter is, mistakes happen as you are learning, it's just a fundamental part of the learning process, we try to learn from our mistakes and the bottom line is, this bike is going to be much less forgiving of those mistakes than something else less aggressively designed.



Yeah, your right. I guess my "beginner" street judgement was a bit blurred due to the fact that I had been racing motox for 10 years prior to my first street bike. So although I was technically a beginner street rider I really knew the ins and outs of bike handling and a bikes tendencies in certain situations- mind you not at 100+mph though.

I would suspect though that since he has an experienced rider to help him and he is on here asking for advice prior to purchasing a bike he's got a pretty good head on his shoulders and therefore a leg up on most of the moe's just go out and jump on one from the dealership and lay it down within a week.

I still say go for it. Use that resource (your rider friend), ask lots of questions, get lots of practice and ride with all your attention peaked and develop good habits (a couple fingers on clutch/brake at all times, be aware of those around you since they wont be looking for you, understand that your front brake is almost 90% of your stopping power, learn when to counter-steer and when to lean her over and much more...) If you haven't at least asked about even these few things yet, I say start asking and wait a little longer before buying.

Maybe even try taking a cycle class or two before buying, that way your forced to study the little state book on riding which will answer some questions, though nothing compensates for real world riding.

My advice is whenever someone gives you a horror story. Ask them what they was doing. 9 out 10 times THAT INDIVIDUAL did something stupid to dump, drop, or wad there bike. So they tell you not to get one cause they assume you will do something stupid. Which you will, cause you hve a machine that isnt built for the speed limits of the streets. The trick it to go fast where you can go fast and drive slow in place you have to drive slow. Its really that simple once you learn the simple things like braking, clutching, leaning and looking out for cagers!

When you first start riding a bike you start out with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill your bag with experience before you run outta luck!

My advice is whenever someone gives you a horror story. Ask them what they was doing. 9 out 10 times THAT INDIVIDUAL did something stupid to dump, drop, or wad there bike. So they tell you not to get one cause they assume you will do something stupid. Which you will, cause you hve a machine that isnt built for the speed limits of the streets. The trick it to go fast where you can go fast and drive slow in place you have to drive slow. Its really that simple once you learn the simple things like braking, clutching, leaning and looking out for cagers!

When you first start riding a bike you start out with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill your bag with experience before you run outta luck!



Well put!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Thanks for all the new input guys..

I did very well at the training course. Balance was no problem, slow speed figure 8's was no problem either I guess. I didn't fall once or come close to falling, I did however lock up the back tire during the 'emergency breaking' test - but I really had no problem controlling the bike while the back tire was skidding.

I don't know, it definately felt like my '5hp mini bike' practice helped me with the balance and maybe some muscle memory on how to control the back wheel when it's locked up.

If I keep my head in it like I did when I got my pilot's license I think that I should be OK. The teacher did say that I had 'high wrists' which could be a problem. And I see that now too. But, when I felt like I needed to stop quick or was in trouble, I didn't have to think about pulling the clutch in.. I learned that very quickly.. I was pulling it in more often than I should have needed to I think..

My biggest worry right now isn't really cornering but just feeling rushed in traffic. I am worried that I will feel pressure from someone behind me to move forward quickly or to try and squeeze out in that next opening in the traffic... and I will let the clutch out too quick with too much RPM and I will kick out of control..

Sooo that's why I will spend days in the parking lot learning how to quickly but smoothly begin my stop-to-roll... and then by the time i'm in traffic my hands will know what to do?

So here's to keeping the clutch in the friction zone for the first month? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Tim

So would you start flying an F16 or a Piper Cub?

Did you learn to drive in a Corvette?

Why do think race car drivers start out at the local track instead of just jumping into the pros?


Make sure you don't spend all your money on the bike, you'll need some for repairs.

At the very least, since it's quite obvious you didn't come here for real advice, get yourself proper riding gear and wear it every single time you even think about getting on the bike.

And be sure to come back in 6 mos and let us know how you're doing......if you're not crippled or dead.

So would you start flying an F16 or a Piper Cub?

Did you learn to drive in a Corvette?

Why do think race car drivers start out at the local track instead of just jumping into the pros?


Make sure you don't spend all your money on the bike, you'll need some for repairs.

At the very least, since it's quite obvious you didn't come here for real advice, get yourself proper riding gear and wear it every single time you even think about getting on the bike.

And be sure to come back in 6 mos and let us know how you're doing......if you're not crippled or dead.



I don't see the comparison between a bike and a plane. I don't think you could learn how to properly fly a plane in a afternoon either. Maybe he doesn't want to be a pro racer. Guys told me the same thing about 25k miles ago and i'm still riding and in full health http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

So would you start flying an F16 or a Piper Cub?

Did you learn to drive in a Corvette?

Why do think race car drivers start out at the local track instead of just jumping into the pros?


Make sure you don't spend all your money on the bike, you'll need some for repairs.

At the very least, since it's quite obvious you didn't come here for real advice, get yourself proper riding gear and wear it every single time you even think about getting on the bike.

And be sure to come back in 6 mos and let us know how you're doing......if you're not crippled or dead.



I don't see the comparison between a bike and a plane. I don't think you could learn how to properly fly a plane in a afternoon either. Maybe he doesn't want to be a pro racer. Guys told me the same thing about 25k miles ago and i'm still riding and in full health http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif



the guy said he got his pilot license...so he was just asking him if when he got his license did you start flying f16...and since ur 2 slow to get it...he is saying geting on a 750 is like trying to fly an f16 (ofcourse we all know which one is harder to fly/ride). with a bike that size u get way over ur head very fast...ya iam sure people started there, but why not take advice since u are asking for it. Put your penis back in ur panths and get a smaller bike...u will look alot dumber when u dump a 750.

Hey Njracer, why didn't you try to sell him some yoyodynes to go with that new bike? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Thanks for all the comments guys.. i'll be the first to accept that i'm taking a big risk.

I'm paying $13000 CAD for a bike that I might wreck and have to spend $6000+ on repairing. It then becomes a $19000 bike. But hopefully by then i've learned some things and it wont happen again.

But speaking of risks, if you speant $3000 on your first learner bike, and then $6000 on your next, and then $8000 on another or $13,000 on a 750 - you're still worse off than i'd be cash wise than if I was to just buy the 750 ( and even wreck it ). So there's the other risk, risk wasting alot of money.

I guess safety comes first, but anything that was going to happen to me on a 750 could definately happen on a smaller bike couldn't it?

So would you start flying an F16 or a Piper Cub?

Did you learn to drive in a Corvette?

Why do think race car drivers start out at the local track instead of just jumping into the pros?


Make sure you don't spend all your money on the bike, you'll need some for repairs.

At the very least, since it's quite obvious you didn't come here for real advice, get yourself proper riding gear and wear it every single time you even think about getting on the bike.

And be sure to come back in 6 mos and let us know how you're doing......if you're not crippled or dead.



I don't see the comparison between a bike and a plane. I don't think you could learn how to properly fly a plane in a afternoon either. Maybe he doesn't want to be a pro racer. Guys told me the same thing about 25k miles ago and i'm still riding and in full health http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif



the guy said he got his pilot license...so he was just asking him if when he got his license did you start flying f16...and since ur 2 slow to get it...he is saying geting on a 750 is like trying to fly an f16 (ofcourse we all know which one is harder to fly/ride). with a bike that size u get way over ur head very fast...ya iam sure people started there, but why not take advice since u are asking for it. Put your penis back in ur panths and get a smaller bike...u will look alot dumber when u dump a 750.



well smartass he wasn't asking for people to talk him out of a 750. Just advice from people who know someone who started on one or who have started out on one themselves. Now where do you fit into this equation http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Like I said I started on one 25k miles ago and have had no problems whatsoever. I still say started on a F16 and a 750 are two totally different things and i don't know how many time i've heard someone use that comparison. Bottom line if he wants the 06 750 that bad he will get it so give him some meaningful advice on that subject matter or take RooKWVs dick out your mouth and maybe you can add something meaningful to this post http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2106084&an=0&page=0#2106 084

Be sure to read post #7

Wont catch me anywhere near any parked cars or obsticles for quite some time I assure you http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Tim,

Don't do that to yourself man!!!

Buying a sporstbike as a first bike is a VERY BAD idea. Most beginners drop/crash their bike in the first year (if you don't, you should have bougt a Harley http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)... Mistakes on a GSXR happen faster and will cost you a lot more, money wise and health wise than on a slower bike.

And forget about 'being smart' and 'cautious' with no experience and the devil telling you to twist that throttle. Experience is a bitch because you first have to survive to learn something.

Learning to ride a bike is a twofold process: you have to learn the motor skills to handle the machine AND you have to learn to deal with traffic. It's a lot easier to learn to deal with traffic with a machine that matches your skills.

Finally consider the fact that you might actually enjoy riding a 'lesser' bike that you can control MORE than an all out sportsbike. SV650, DRZ400SM, NINJA 500R are all a BLAST TO RIDE. Try to test ride them before you make up your mind. For the record I also own a DRZ400SM and a SV650 so I know what I am talking about (and I don't consider them to be lesser bikes at all !!!)

Whatever you decide, save yourself money and aggravation: DON'T BUY A NEW BIKE. It's much easier to get over dropping a 3 year old used bike than a brand new one... costs a lot less to drop a naked bike than a Gixxer too...

1. Don't come here looking for justification. You will only read/hear what you want to read/hear.

2. Never take advice from another newbie who says 'don't worry you'll be alright.' Another newbie who says he has made it one year without dropping his bike or crashing hasn't experienced shit.

3. A perfect example just posted by another "I know what I'm doing type." (http://www.gixxer.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=06&Number=2106084&page=0& fpart=all) Don't be a fool like this dipstick who is now making payments on a wrecked bike because there aren't many replacement parts even available yet.

4. Spend $1000. Buy a piece of crap. Ride the snot out of it for a year. Hell buy a new SV and ride it for a year or two, but not a race replica bike. You'll be a better rider in the long run.

Tim, it sounds like you came looking for justification; whatever. By stats (and common sense) alone, you should understand the gravity of the risk you're undertaking. Here's a hint: it's more than your money.

Still, it's your time, and I completely support that. Buy what you want; live on the edge. Go hard and fast, and piss on anybody who doesn't like it. But don't expect sympathy when you get bitten; this was your choice. Be ready for the consequences, because they're sure as hell ready for you.

I missed where I said I wanted to live on the edge and go hard and fast and piss everyone off - i'm nothing but responsible...

I really am just looking to find people that have done what i'm going to do. I've actually found a few and their input i'm sure will prove to be very valuable to me this summer.

No sir, you will not find me here asking for sympathy from you.. but I will definately be here thanking everyone that took the time to tell me something that everyone else hasn't already.

Thanks for your input my friend.

I'm hearing everything you're all saying. Believe me.

I don't know why you're saying that i'm a ' I know what i'm doing type ' ..I never once claimed to be a hotshot that thinks he knows everything. But I know how I learn - and I know that i'm not one to misjudge my own abilities.

I know very little right now.. and I will ride like someone who knows very little. Maybe i'll be the first guy to spend his first whole day with his new bike riding around at a joggers pace practicing my balance and basic clutch control?

You think it's possible someone could learn on a 750 at a MSF course with a month of training by a professional??

Appreciate any input.

don't forget the throttle with that clutch control.
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I'm hearing everything you're all saying. Believe me.

I don't know why you're saying that i'm a ' I know what i'm doing type ' ..I never once claimed to be a hotshot that thinks he knows everything. But I know how I learn - and I know that i'm not one to misjudge my own abilities.

I know very little right now.. and I will ride like someone who knows very little. Maybe i'll be the first guy to spend his first whole day with his new bike riding around at a joggers pace practicing my balance and basic clutch control?

You think it's possible someone could learn on a 750 at a MSF course with a month of training by a professional??

Appreciate any input.



Well, just finished reading this whole thread and all of the responses you have gotten. I can't say my first bike was a fast sport bike since mine came in the shape of Honda XR70 when I was around 9 (I'm 35 now). My younger years were all dirt related and sporadic and then I dabbled a little while I was in the Air Force with a Katana 600 back around '89-'90. I went years until I got another motorcycle and that was a big, slow 'ol cruiser to make my wife happy. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Anyways, onto the more interesting stuff. After riding again for a 1 1/2 years on my big, heavy, and comparatively slow Victory Vegas, I made the semi silly, and some would say, totally half backed mistake of getting an 05 Gixxer 1K. My first foray into a modern sport bike. Granted, I had experience riding, but nothing that should have allowed me to get this bike.

Well, that was last May and it has since gone 12000 miles and several track days at Jennings in north FL since and I have yet to drop it. Come to think of it, the only bikes I have dropped were by dirt bikes. What helped me out tons was that I READ and STUDIED like a mofo. Every night before I went to bed, every time I was sitting on my "throne" in the bathroom. Every spare moment I spent learning about my bike and the best, most proven ways to ride it well. I knew I had a monster and I wanted to learn how to tame it the best I could. I purchased every sport bike technique book I could find (Twist of the Wrist I/II, Sport bike Riding Techniques, etc. etc.) I studied riding like I have studied everything else I have ever been successful at and it has paid off in spades.

If you do get that 750, don't get lulled into how easy it feels to ride because it will easily suck you in to thinking you are better than you are. These modern bikes are extremely easy to go fast on UNTIL.... you panic.... and you will.

I recommend finding a really large mall parking lot and putting about 100+ miles on your bike just riding around in it. Start early in the morning before anyone else shows up to get the feel of lanes, stops, turns, BIG figure eights, wide circles in both directions, etc, etc. etc. Also, have your friend do this with you so that he can keep an eye on you and maybe even lead you, at least for the first day or two (hopefully he is experienced?)

As the traffic picks up, you will slowly merge in with it and it won't be as scary. I would do this over a 1-2 week period with as many days as you can, but more than likely weekends will work best. Then, when you have become completely bored with it to the point all of that work has become child's play, then and only then should you try the streets. I would recommend that you hit the streets at the slowest traffic times you can, early mornings on Sat and Sun are really good for this. Go out have fun at that time and stay close enough to home so you can arrive safely if traffic starts getting bad.

What I have just described is a proven technique that I used for myself and then used again with my wife when we picked her up a little 05 Ducati Monster 620 last July. She has read all the same books and then some and practiced a long time by herself before getting out on the streets. Knock on wood, but she has yet to drop her bike and has actually become a very good, safe rider. Much better than I ever imagined she would and she is a better, stronger woman for it.

Keep your eyes and head up. Always lead with your head first because the bike will follow. Scan traffic like a mad man and do your best to never ever let a vehicle cruise next to you. Ride like a "ghost" since most no one sees you anyway. You have to have eyes on each side of your head. And, as has already been stated, get good gear.

With that said, I would personally recommend that you get the 600 and spend the rest on LOTS of good gear (Helmet, armored jacket and gloves, riding pants/jeans, strong, sturdy riding boots, good sweat wicking socks). Never ride without it either. If you do so, you will have more than enough bike to keep you busy for several years to come, trust me! Hell, I'm even contemplating downsizing to a 600 or 750 and if I can get a good deal, I probably will.

What ever you end up doing, start slow and stay safe. Then, when you are comfy, take it to the track and have the best time of your life! Guaranteed!

Hopefully that is the kind of response you were looking for and that I have helped?

Definately appreciate that. I will purchase the book(s) that you mentioned. I am going to a motorcycle show in Toronto tomorrow @ the CNE w/ my friend who rides the 1000. I think he's got 5 years exp or so? I will have plenty of time to pick his brain in the car http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I have a jacket and pants already, I picked up the Icon field armor ( doesn't look like it will protect much ) and the super duty gloves. I will be looking for a good deal on a pair of boots and probably a Shoei / Arai helmet tomorrow...

Thank you very much for taking the time and giving me your advice and honest opinion...

Tim

Glad I could be of help. You seem like you are on the right path in your desires to do this right. Never ride over your limits or it might be the last time you ever ride.

Good luck and please keep us posted.

Hey guys;

I'm looking at picking up a 06 750 for my first bike. My good friend rides a 1000 and he will be 'showing me the rope's' so to speak.

I am just looking for some words of encouragement I guess? I am of course often told that this isn't a good idea at all..

I plan on spending alot of time in the parking lots just practicing the most basic of basics. I should mention that I passed a Safety Course already here.. ( I guess my old mini-bike experience helped a bit )

So, any suggestions or any advice or training tips.. i'm really nervous to just sit on the bike, I think that's a good way to be when i'm first starting off.

Please any comments good or bad, hopefully someone knows someone who learned on a 750.

Tim

You'll be a better rider if you start on a smaller bike. Plain fact. But do what you like. Depends on your intended riding style. Do plan on just cruising around relaxed, or would you like to lean the thing and ride it hard (in the turns)? Pass your friend on the 1000 in the turns. Good luck.

ya - get an sv

a 600 will do laps around your bud and his 1k

Its not the bike, its the rider. One can easily die on an old xt 250 on the street. Just ride carefully and be aware of your surroundings. You'll be fine.

Here's what a friend of mine did and it worked out great for him:

First bike:
Ninja 250 bought for $2200 sold for $2200.
Owned bike for about a year.

Second bike:
GS500 bought for $3000 sold for $3200.
Owned bike for about six months.

Third bike:
R6 bought brand new and he is enjoying the hell out of it.

Learning to ride on smaller, easier to control bikes does not have to cost you money and it won't. Motorcycling is a life long hobby that you will doing for decades so there is no rush. I'm sure it's reassuring to you to hear stories from some board members about learning on a powerful sport bike but the odds were heavily against them as they will be against you. I personally know two people, good friends of mine, that took the road that you are going to take. The no longer ride motorcycles. One guy crashed four times in the first 3 months he had the bike (these crashes were caused by rider error, misusing the power and braking too hard) the other guy is no longer with us. Neither of these guys will ever ride a motorcycle again, one because he is too afraid and the other because he is dead. I know, you are thinking that I am going to be careful and it won't happen to me but let me tell you, everyone says this and it happens a lot.

I know this is not what you want to hear and you'll probably buy the 750 anyway but please think really hard about this.

Good luck with your riding and I hope you are one of the luckier ones.

ya - get an sv

a 600 will do laps around your bud and his 1k

prove it

prove it

If you can extract 90% of the performance out of a 600 and the other person can only extract 70% out of a 1000 then this statement is true. With equal riders, obviously, the 1000 is going to go faster but from what I have seen from numerous track days and riding on the street nobody can ride any of these bikes anywhere close to there full potential. We just think we can (punching it down a straightaway doesn't count as great riding, anyone can twist a throttle).

I tend to think extracting 70% out of a 1000 is very close to extracting 90% out of a 600, neither is going to pull out of sight in that situation. Both riders being equal, I still don't think the 1000 has a real advantage. Coming to the next corner with a faster speed is only an advantage if you can control it. Then you have to deal with the power comming out of a corner which I don't need to get into. The only advantage comes if both riders are at the absolute top of their game, then the 1000 rider has the skill to extract the extra performance out of a 1000 without loosing control or crashing.

. We just think we can (punching it down a straightaway doesn't count as great riding, anyone can twist a throttle).


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tim...it sounds like u have your mind made up ... any advice people give you, you seem to just blow off...if you want the 750 get the 750, but from the soudns of things, you will be doing more reparing then you will riding. if you dont even trust yourself in traffic and will be a in a parking lot for a month, you definately shouldnt be on a k6 let alone a k6 750 !

Dude, get whatever you want. The bike doesn't make the rider, it's the rider that makes the bike. Who hits the gas to make it go, the bike? No, you do, your in control. You start doing stupid shit and don't really have any experience, on any bike, your asking for touble.

It doesn't matter what kind of bike you get, you can get into just as much trouble on a mini-bike if your not carful, like break a leg, and believe me, I've seen it.

get some sliders and invest in some decent gear. take your mirrors off for the first thosand miles or so. those puppies are going for about $80 a pop. without lenses!
baby steps. try too much too soon and you'll hurt yourself.

Here is a true story...
You want to hear from someone who started out on a 750... well here goes.

I did the same thing you claim youre doing. Reading, studying up, listening to everything and everyone about which bike to get. You watch the videos, stare at the nice shiney pictures of all the new bikes on the website. You have heard that the 750 is a good balanced bike, and it is. You are hooked on getting one but still not sure if you're ready for it. Am I right so far??

I was you two years ago. have been racing cars for 8 years, drag racing, and very confident with my shifting capabilities. I figured this would be enough to get me started on the motorcycle. I went out and purchased a brand new 750 because all my buddies who had bikes told me the 600 would get old. I nearly bought a 1000 because I have been use to fast cars and racing so I felt I could handle anything the bike could throw at me. I read nearly every thread on this website, and still persistant on trusting my friend and getting the 750.

I had 0 experience on a motorcycle. Never once been on one. I mentally sat there and thought as long as I took it slow I would be o.k. and as long as I was mentally ready it would be all good. I was ready to do this right and start off slow. I had the bike trailered to my house. I then had a experienced friend take it out to break in. I bought all the gear and waited to a perfect day to go out. My two friends came over with their bikes, and he drove it to a parking lot for me to learn on.

The throttle is so twitchy, and so uncontrolable for someone inexperienced that right away I knew I was over my head, but my pride was too great to admit my fear. I continued to take it really slow getting use to the gears and brakes and throttle. after 3 hours of parking lot riding I drove it home 1 mile to my house with my friends following.

I then got home safe, my friends left to go enjoy the rest of the day, and I decided to take it one more time down the street (30 MPH closed subdivision road). I felt confident and good. I went down the street and turned onto another street so I could turn around and come back. I sat there waiting to get back on the main street once all the cars were clear. I began coming off the throttle like I did a hundred times earlier that day.
Although turning left and having your wrist solid when holding onto the throttle makes the throttle turn fast. Newbi mistake you cant read about. Lukily the clutch was still engadged, but I paniced. Then I began letting the clutch go while on the throttle, the bike began to take off fast and right for a curb, before I got there I was on my side... the bike was on the ground and pieces of the clutch handle was broken off, my rearset broke off completely, the side was all scrapped up, and the mirror was scratched, my slidder completely shattered. This was going 6 MPH tops. It happened within a spilt second. When the rearset broke off it also crakced the nub of the frame off.... I had to have it welded back on. After replacing the fairing and everything else I was $1500.00 lighter.

The throttle is unforgiving. That is why a 600 and 750 sportbike is dangerous, and your little mistake could end up killing you.

After that first day I haven't gone down again. I got lucky and found some 10 year plus riders who basically took me in and have been watching out for me since. They have tought me to become a very good rider. I can ride with them and have even out rode them several times, but they are still light years better than I am. Experience is key.

I had about 3 more close calls that first year, and at much faster speeds. I probably should be dead, but I have good friends watching out for me, and a lot of luck.

At the end of the last year I thought I was ready for a 1000 because all my firends have them and I have been riding good on my 750. My good friend who has been riding 12 years told me I wasn't ready. Guess what? I didn't get one because of him. He has road with me more than anyone and I trust him, just like you should trust the experienced riders on this site. Good luck and stay safe, and please don't start on a new 750. I got lucky, but still would have been much better if I started on something smaller.

great post :thumbup:

Damn good post Blitz

dont agree.

If you know the principles a 1k is no harder to ride than a pewee 50. any idiot can crash a motorcycle. and just cos uve been riding for 100 years doesnt mean ur safe on a 1k. My first street bike was an 03 1k which ive had for 2 1/2 years all upright all good. It all depends on the pilot, respect the beast and things are good. Just remember modern sportbikes are lighter stop quicker and change direction much more safely than any beginner bike. these factors add safety if used correcly, respect the throttle and your on the safest bike on the road.

Hey guys;

Appreciate all the comments. I spoke to State Farm and they are going to insure me for $2100 CAD a year. I'm 22 and I think that's their 'prime' rate on a K6 750. I wasn't expecting to be insured until July so I am going to put things in motion now.

The local dealer says $13700 out the door CAD. I guess the best deal i've seen so far. I still need to pick up a helmet and a better jacket and some good boots - maybe cut me a deal when I pick up the bike. Also will take the mirrors off and possibly the fairings while I practice - as well as order some frame sliders in case.

I will be sure to start a thread sort of like a daily journal for you guys to see what i've done ( or haven't ) and how everything turned out..

Appreciate all your previous input, and any to come.

Tim

Anyone who says riding a 1k and a 500 or something smaller is the same = idiot.

Plain and simple.

If you're smart, you won't buy a brand new 750. If you're trying to be cool, go ahead and buy it. I'd say 50/50 chance you'll get hurt. You have to remember the majority of accidents aren't the riders fault.

Starting on a slower bike certainly saved me ass a few times.

Your mind is already made up though. Listen to the 16 year olds and buy that cool new bike. Maybe you'll get lucky. And yes, making it on that bike w/out an accident is pure luck at first. It certainly isn't skill.

Be safe.

My mind was made up when I started the thread - was just asking for advice good or bad..

Believe me I appreciate your input and I weigh it very carefully. I understand the risk and the danger.

Do you agree that alot of the accidents that were basic rider errors - such as tipping during a slow right, or too much throttle during a left can be limited by spending ample time mimicing these situations in a parking lot?

I understand that it's not the same as in traffic, but I have already bought my own pylons and I think that if I can practice long enough to feel confident controlling the bike in most 'street' situations somewhere safe - I will build the 'basic skill' you speak of?

Do you think that if there was such a thing as a Safety Course that was a month in length that you learned on a 600cc ( with some basic previous riding experience ) that they could turn out people with skills enough to operate in the city? Honestly,.. your opinions please.

I understand where you're coming from. I've seen professionals fall during the warmup lap..

dont agree.

If you know the principles a 1k is no harder to ride than a pewee 50. any idiot can crash a motorcycle. and just cos uve been riding for 100 years doesnt mean ur safe on a 1k. My first street bike was an 03 1k which ive had for 2 1/2 years all upright all good. It all depends on the pilot, respect the beast and things are good. Just remember modern sportbikes are lighter stop quicker and change direction much more safely than any beginner bike. these factors add safety if used correcly, respect the throttle and your on the safest bike on the road.

+1

It don't matter what you ride, it's how YOU RIDE IT!! What happened to buddy up there, could have happened on a bicycle. How many times you been on a bike as a kid and are going to fast for your own good and wipe out? Was it because it was a 1000cc bicycle, no it was you, and would have happened on anything with 2 wheels.

My mind was made up when I started the thread - was just asking for advice good or bad..

Believe me I appreciate your input and I weigh it very carefully. I understand the risk and the danger.

Do you agree that alot of the accidents that were basic rider errors - such as tipping during a slow right, or too much throttle during a left can be limited by spending ample time mimicing these situations in a parking lot?

I understand that it's not the same as in traffic, but I have already bought my own pylons and I think that if I can practice long enough to feel confident controlling the bike in most 'street' situations somewhere safe - I will build the 'basic skill' you speak of?

Do you think that if there was such a thing as a Safety Course that was a month in length that you learned on a 600cc ( with some basic previous riding experience ) that they could turn out people with skills enough to operate in the city? Honestly,.. your opinions please.

I understand where you're coming from. I've seen professionals fall during the warmup lap..

Did you even read my post, or did you think that I am just an idiot and that can't happen to you?

You still don't get it. If you fuck up on a 600 or 750 by giving it too much gas in the turn you will end up going off the road much farther and faster than you would by fucking up the same on a 500cc bike. You are also thinking two dimensionally. CC's are not all the same on bikes. UNDERSTAND THIS. There are 1700cc harleys out there but are still not nearly as fast as a 600cc sport bike?? Why is that you think? You are probably thinking that a 500cc bike is not that much different than the 600c sportbike, right? There is a world of a difference. You're dealing with inline race bred motors that are made to rev high and produce maximum amount of power. They use all sorts of race techknowledgies with these motors, and give instant power on demand... the type of power that if a mistake is made they will send you into a wall.

You seem to be as stupid as I was two years ago, but the difference is this.... I actually respected the machine I bought then. That is what kept me alive, barely.

Do you have enough respect for this bike you are buying?
The one second I thought that I was in control I found myself on the ground. If you don't think that will be you then you do not have enough respect for it. Because it will put you there.
Now if you think you have enough respect, that will get you half way, the other half is sheer dumb luck. You can minimize that ratio to 90% respect and 10% dumb luck with a 500cc non-sports bike. But you don't want to believe someone who has already done what you want to do, right? You're 22 and know it all. Good luck, and wear your gear.

Let me add this, no one is telling you that you won't be able to handle a 600 or 750, some get lucky like myself, all we are saying is that if you are planning on riding it in a parking lot for the first month, buy something smaller to start out on for at least that first month. Something cheap and easy to get to know before hoping on a rocket. Something you won't care if you drop a hundred times. You will thank everyone if you do.

What's up man. I purchased a '01 GSX-R 600 as my first bike, and I passed the MSF course. After I passed it, it took me 2 weeks to actually go out on the street. This is my first full season and I will tell you, just trust your skills. Don't do anything that is out of your skill limit, you will learn in plenty of time. Also, I must tell you, learn your gear ratios. You will need to know each gear. I'm still learning here and can't really tell you what to ride. It's what you are comfortable on. But she'll take you for a nice ride, I can tell you that. :thumbup:

dont agree.

If you know the principles a 1k is no harder to ride than a pewee 50. any idiot can crash a motorcycle. and just cos uve been riding for 100 years doesnt mean ur safe on a 1k. My first street bike was an 03 1k which ive had for 2 1/2 years all upright all good. It all depends on the pilot, respect the beast and things are good. Just remember modern sportbikes are lighter stop quicker and change direction much more safely than any beginner bike. these factors add safety if used correcly, respect the throttle and your on the safest bike on the road.

i bet you ll get eaten alive by a SV on the track... it's not that youcan't ride 1k as a first bike... hell my very first streetbike experience was one a k3 1k... did i fuck up? no... how much of your bike's potential do you think you are riding at? and i don't mean in a str8 line. the torque of literbike can get you in lotta trouble in a turn if you are not careful... bigger the bike the harder it ll bite you if you fuck up is what people are trying to say... and remember this.. theres only 3 types of riders...
1. riders that will go down
2. riders thats been down
3. riders thats been down and will go down again.
i know no one here can change your mind so just be careful and take any precaution you can. MSF certified is equivalent to parking lot certified.

I wish I had started on an SV. Look at it like this: If you were teaching your 16 year old niece how to drive, would you teach her in a 9 sec. 800hp cherry 1967 Camero? would you teach someone how to drive on a stick or auto? why can't the same thing happen with a stick? Would you want the super clean rims getting scuffed aginst the curb?


Stop making this harder on yourself and if you really need to have a new Gixxer cause you want to look cool. then please get a 600. They are SLIGHTLY more forgiving.

BTW, I am 22 and know exactly how you feel, I almost bought a 750 as my first bike and I am really glad I didn't, cause that thing would have been gone.

well he will find out for himself whether it is too much or not soon enough... im not sayin he wont be able to handle it and crash but if you feel that it's too much trade it in for a 600 at least... believe me 600s are FAST!

Hey people new here looking to get a 600 or a 750. I have a fz1 now. want a lighter bike.witch one do you think. I don't do track days but want the fun factor from the bike. don't need a 1000.

forget basic skill, tim. What you need is the ability to remain calm under pressuer situations, and not panic. My k6 750 is my first street bike, but by no means my first motorcycle, I have many years supercross racing expierence. On the way to work yesterday, a jeep grand cheroke decided to change lanes right on top of me. I had but a second to check if the next lane was clear and to swerve into it. So just keep your nerves under control, I think you'll be alright. Bad thing is.. unlike basic skill, nerves can't be learned. You either have them or you don't. And remember, a big part of riding is mental

I have had 2 750 gsxrs 97 and 04 and im tellin you now.. You will not get board of a 600... I burn past 1ks in the canyons all day long on my 05 600.. If your board of a 600 race bike, well i guess your better than the hayden brothers, you could be making milloins racing!!! If your board your not pushing it!!!!

Hey people new here looking to get a 600 or a 750. I have a fz1 now. want a lighter bike.witch one do you think. I don't do track days but want the fun factor from the bike. don't need a 1000.

Get the 750. The torque difference will be much less.

hey man if you want to get the 750 get but i would not get a brand new one. i see that i a lot of people said that it would be okay, and that is fine but we are talking about a 10,000 dollar bike and you have no riding experience on a bike with real power. i started on a used cbr 600 mastered it and now i have a 01 750 there is a difference in power. if you are to take a hit and come out okay what about your bike replacing parts on your bike is very expensive that is why insurance companies don't get them fixed they total them out you will have to wait at least a month before you start riding again if you are gonna get it fixed get a used one.

he probably think he will never drop it if he ride "carefully" though...

did you say 13500 out the door man they are robbing you where do you live. damm crazy. i live in chicago and an 06 was 10,800 out the door what the hell are you getting with the bike????????? a full system hindle and an undertail kit you are stupid if you pay that much. my brother only paid 11500 for the 1000!!!!!!!!!!! don't do it finish shopping around

I got mine for 10,000 even.. out the door; thank you very much!

i think he said CAD

:lol:

This thread is too funny.
"no, don't do it"
"no no no your going to kill yourself"
"they're all gonna laugh at you, they're all gonna laugh at you"

:lol:

Ya the best deal I can find near Toronto is $13700 OTD. Anyone have any good leads in Ontario Canada?

Ya the best deal I can find near Toronto is $13700 OTD. Anyone have any good leads in Ontario Canada?

YES ............OVER NEAR SARNIA THERE IS A GOOD DEALER.
LOOK IT UP ON THE OFFICIAL SUZUKI.CA WEBSITE TO FIND IT OR ANOTHER ONE NEAR YOU................

OR come to Ohio "TOLEDO" To Honda East Suzuki the sell for $8250.00 OUT THE DOOR In FEDERAL RESERVE TOKENS .........
Remember REAL MONEY is GOLD or Silver BACKED OR HARD GOLD COIN & SILVER COIN The rest is all TOKENS...............

http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html

8,250 U.S. = 9,621.15 CAD

Alright. Bike is officially on the way.

I ordered from Suzuki of Brampton from anyone in the GTA from Danny. He is taking care of the licensing and I am getting it delivered to my door in a truck :)

Danny gave me a great deal - anyone who is pricing should definately give him a call.

Bike should be here by the end of the month :)!!!!!

get a 600. it will be plenty. i'm just now getting a 750 after 7,000 miles on my katana 600 since last july. trust me the gsxr is not slow. it'll be better.....oh by the way if you do get one get the black and yellow one...so we can trade parts.

Hahahah good one :)

I say get it.

btw, could you pm me your personal information? I'd like to take out some life insurance on you.

I'm going to be a millionaire boys! Next month, I'll be gixxer.coms newest millionaire.
:cheers

Seriously Tim, ride like everyone's out to kill you.

Just reading throuhg a bit. People saying fixing a bike aint cheap. Well I dropped mine and damaged the fairing. Its only costing me 300 for the right side fairings. Seems reasonable to me.

The 06 suzuki parst seem to be cheaper. There isnt as much plastic as there has been in the past

I'm a little nervous now.. bike should be here next week.. :)

I started on a 02 ninja zx6e and boy was I glad it was used. I droped it 3 times while standing and learned alot as far as gear shifting, throttle, etc. I cant imagine learning on a brand new bike. I am in the process of buying an 06!!

Be nervous, very nervous. You have to respect the abilities of an SS bike. I have a friend that had ridden MX all his life but not a streetbike. I highly encouraged him to get the SV. He's had it close to a year and hasn't regretted it. He'll trade "up" in another year most likely. My story is that I had ridden for many years and then got out of it for a very long time. I bought an 03 1K almost 3 years ago after falling in love with the Silver paint scheme and all the media hype about it being such an all round great bike, it has been. My riding abilities will never be up to the task of the 1K so I'm in all likelyhood going to "downgrade" to the 750 in January. With near litrebike power and middleweight handling it's a no brainer. Even Kevin Schwantz has been quoted as saying it's the perfect SS bike. That being said it still needs a high level of "throttle respect" from any rider. Ride safe.

So just an update. I have had the bike for 5 days now. I haven't had an entire day of nice weather to ride it so i've only put like 250 KM on it so far. No problems really. Taking it pretty slow. I've been on city streets no problem, speant alot of time in first gear getting a feel for it. Been on highway 6 which is like 80 km/hr speed limit. I've had it to 100 or so. I've been cut off twice and reacted well.

I must admit i'm not wearing my gloves right yet. I think that i'm getting a better feel for the throttle without leather around my hands giving me that extra play.... really dumb move I know but I need to get a feel for the throttle..

Hmm, low speed turns are not too bad, I obviously don't lean the bike very much.. but so far so good. I am fairly confident already, which is the 'danger' zone from what i've read. That's when people usually get bit in the ass... so every time I ride I remind myself.

So I know it's really early to say that I did it.. but, really, I think it can be done. Sure maybe I wont be the best rider, or it might take me a bit longer to become one, but I got the bike I love and so far so good.

Hmm numbers, I paid $13000 OTD delivered to my house. I'm paying about $160 CAD a month for full coverage. And I keep it locked indoors.

Soo, i'll start a new thread soon with some of my comments for any new riders considering doing what i'm doing... with all honesty and no sugar coating.

Attached is a pic with my guard dog who will attack if you bash me too hard...

Edited: I should mention i've since removed the stickers, and all the mods I have in my signature are here I just don't know how to install them yet. Except for the tank pad. New to all this.


http://joshz.ca/my750.jpg

Tim

Congrats and take it EASY for at least a few months. I believe most of the |=uck ups happen after you think you have gained confidence.
I personally feel guilty as I test drove an 04 R6 for a friend's friend, then I found out it was his first bike, I prayed for him to not buy it and maybe get an SV650, someone was not listening. Well it has been amonth now and it happened that I drove last weekend with him and some other guys. He has not dropped it or anything, but I am waiting for the moment, as was everyone else. Not because he is not an OK rider, but because we have to obay a different world of driving safety and regualtions. You can tell he is not experiencied just seing him ride (with full confidence may I add), but it is the little things as well not just the power of the bike that you have to learn.
Don't be close to semi's...tires can blow at any time
Keep enough distance to view the whole road, that guy was riding 10 feet behind cars at 70mph as if he was the king of the road with no regard that the car may run over some object taht he never saw
Learn how to signal cars beind you that you are about to decelerate and turn (flash your brake light)
Make sure you always have time to react to the stupid person talking on the cell phone in the car in front of you...................and stuff like that.

Just last weekend for example I took a 2 hour ride, I had a stud with an old camaro showing off to me (you know mid 30's stil driving his highschool car) and flooring it to pass me to prove something.....and about 3 seconds as soon as he passed me on the interstate his tail pipe fell of right infront of me at about 70mph.
As this was not enough, about 15 minutes alter...........................OK this was a first.................... a family car passes me (husband, wife and baby in the back).............and what comes out the passenger window as soon as they get on the right lane in front of me ???????????????????



A one litter bottle of aquafina (with the cap on)............missed my front wheel by about 2 feet. at about 80mph
1st my knees buckled momentarily, then I though I got to install those machine guns in the mirrors, like James Bond on those XT500's and ride like Mad Max.
So I just went next to them and start yelling at 80mph behind my helmet.........they probably thought I was the crazy guy on the road.
So keep this in mind, people driving cars shoudl be considered stupid and dangerous every time you are on a bike.

My 2c

Wow. Unreal. a one litre bottle of aquafina. Thanks for the pointers, I find the mirrors pretty hard to adjust? Maybe i'm doing something wrong but i'll play with those when it's not raining out .. Great tips. I appreciate them very much. People trying to race me all the time. I don't even look at them.. I have a friend that rides but i'm afraid to even bother going out with him because I know that he rides with people that ride pretty hard. And I what's the point if i'm not willing to try and keep up with them and risk it all.. no dice.

So for now i'll keep to what i'm doing, gradual gradual progression. GF is kind of mad I wont take her out but there's no way i'd do that. Maybe next season.

Hey, how's cleaning this beast? Is there anywhere I shouldn't be getting wet? Am I safe to just spray it down with my hose and use a mild soap on the entire thing? Any tips on that would be perfect.. Thanks!

Congrads on the pickup and continue to be safe out there.
It's definitely too early to start predicting anything. It sounds like your doing solo riding now which is a good thing.
Once you start riding in groups remember to stay within your limits. No one wants to be the slow guy but ride at your pace. Some people push themselves a little too much and this is where the problems occur.

As far as washing try not to spay directly into the air ducts and don't get crazy around the speedo and you should be fine. Also remember to clean and lube you chain.

Have fun (and get rid of the mud flap)!!!

Haha I got the fender elim kit sitting here, and it's kind of crappy out... wet roads but no rain.. probably should be doing it now but i'm afraid to splice wires etc. Not very mechanical unless it has a keyboard.. people have given me directions but not descript enough for me.. might pay someone to do it when it's nice out - hopefully I can watch and learn.

The piaa headlights are sitting in the box still too. Really, I think it's dumb of me to have paid for all this mods, the bike is great just how it is now! :)

Tim

Haha I got the fender elim kit sitting here, and it's kind of crappy out... wet roads but no rain.. probably should be doing it now but i'm afraid to splice wires etc. Not very mechanical unless it has a keyboard.. people have given me directions but not descript enough for me.. might pay someone to do it when it's nice out - hopefully I can watch and learn.

The piaa headlights are sitting in the box still too. Really, I think it's dumb of me to have paid for all this mods, the bike is great just how it is now! :)

Tim
Fender is quite easy, dont splice wires the connector for the plate lamp is on the right side of the bike under the white rear tail section (marked red below).

Remove the seat and the rear cowl/seat.

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The clips you see holding panels together (2 by the rear light, 4 on the underside marked blue on pic) are removed by first pushing the centres in, then getting your nail underneath the whole thing and pulling it out.

Two 10mm screws (marked green) need to be removed.

The panel has plastic lugs that push into rubber grommets, one each side (marked yellow).

Obviously remove the 4 screws that hold the fender on.

Thats about it really, the best way to learn is to practice.

Thanks man, i'll give it a shot.. just hope I can get it all back together how it came apart.

Appreciate the description and the graphics.

Hmm.. another embarassing question. I fuelled up yesterday and no matter what I did with the nozzle there was little drops of gas splashing up out of the tank.

What's the technique here? Keep the nozzle in the gas or fill very slowly or what ?

I put my hand over the hole a little bit so nothing splashes out. then I wipe my hand with the paper towles. And fill up slowly near the top. I keep the nozzle just below the metal lip of the hole.

Your money and your decision. I wouldn't for the first bike but that is me.

One thins to think about though.

You can have more fun on a slower bike finding the limits and learning to ride than beggining on a big bike, that the limits would kick you in the ass.

Am I saying get a moped...NO WAY.. just consider a SV or something that better to begin with. Sure, you may "OUTGROW" it but maybe you will find you like bikes so much having two bikes is always better than having one. You could make the SV a decent track day bike and do some real learning.

I didn't want to bach just give you some good ideas. What ever you decide, kee[ it rubber side down and begin to enjoy the ride, not just teh speed, but everything else that you experience while on a bike.:punk

looks like its too late... :)

All i can say: Good luck, ride safe, ride smart, pay attention, research the break-in period, and most of all....

Have fun. :cheers

Ok so since alot of people are PM'ing me asking me for advice on starting on a 750 ??? I'll admit i'm probably not the best for giving advice but since i'm 'doing it' so far maybe i'll share my experiences and recommendations in a new forum..

But - to all you experienced riders maybe you can lend me another hand ? :)

Before I go riding what should I be checking? And also things I should be looking for that are signs of a problem that might cause a crash?

I should check oil level, brake fluid... tire pressure? What else should I be looking at / looking out for?

Please and thanks guys!

Tim

Bro i started on a 2003 yamaha r1, and i heard all the haters saying "your'e going to kill yourself" but you know what i did'nt and i learned a lot on that bike, i just sold it, and im waiting formy 06 600 to come in. I would have gotten the 750 but i like the color choices on the 600 better. Get whatever you want just be carefull and if you ride with your buddy on the 1k, tell him to take it easy and wait for you...good luck.

p.s. too many haters on here, let the man get what he wants, just wish him luck..

Your only as quick as your right hand.

What will kill you is not knowing how to use your right hand. :)

no kidding, its your money.. just dont get ahead of yourself, be smart on the bike and you'll be fine, i started out on a 98' r1, and glad i did, it was a fun bike.. just be careful and dont ride above your ability, it doesnt matter if your on a factory 1000 or a katana, ride w/in your limits and you'll be fine!

Buy new if you accept the fact that each time it touches the ground will cost $250. With a used bike it was easier for me to concentrate on riding rather than scratching.

Sure alot of people have started out on big bikes (R1, GSXR-1000, 1000RR) and I've met some of them. They know how to ride, and they've never been down, but to me they arent AS good as someone who started on a 600, then worked their way up. To me, starting on a small bike, and then working your way up will teach you far more than you can ever learn from someone else. Theres just certain things that you have to experience to learn it, and you sure as hell dont wanna experience em on your $10000 750. Like the first time the rear steps out, or you lock up the front, it all takes experience to handle these situations, and the bigger bikes, are not forgiving if you dont know what youre doing. Just my .02

I appreciate your .02 cents! I just took it in for first service, 1200 km on it so far. Now's when I can really start to open it up - but i'm not!

Again like I said i'm starting to feel 'confident' but I remember to remind myself the kind of machine i'm sitting on every time I go for a ride.

FYI: Dealership tried to charge me $300 CAD + oil and filter for my first service. I wont be going back to that one ever again ( Sturgess Cycle in Hamilton Ontario ).

Doesn't look like they cleaned / lubed my chain or anything either - I wonder if they even did the oil change. I'll be taking it in for another 'first' service in Burlington ( Cycle City ) in another 1000 KM or so to make sure everything is OK.

Tim

awesome thread!! im doing the same thing.
not claiming i am a know it all.

warning !!!!!The bike you are looking at is a race Bike, with signals on it. It has no respect for you at all. You must respect the machine. I started on the 750 2006 I love it.. But I respect it. If you know that you are careless or a reckless driver I wouldn't get it. If you start on a smaller bike you will be a better rider in the future they are more forgiving. Good luck with your decision. I know for me my mind was already made up and yours probably is also. Ride safe.
ps. I also rode motocross for a long time ,and lived in the dirt, so there was no way I was spending money on a cruiser, to get rid of it 6 months down the road to get the bike I realy wanted.

Hey guys;

I'm looking at picking up a 06 750 for my first bike. My good friend rides a 1000 and he will be 'showing me the rope's' so to speak.

I am just looking for some words of encouragement I guess? I am of course often told that this isn't a good idea at all..

I plan on spending alot of time in the parking lots just practicing the most basic of basics. I should mention that I passed a Safety Course already here.. ( I guess my old mini-bike experience helped a bit )

So, any suggestions or any advice or training tips.. i'm really nervous to just sit on the bike, I think that's a good way to be when i'm first starting off.

Please any comments good or bad, hopefully someone knows someone who learned on a 750.

Tim


My first bike was the k7 750...I took MSS and rocked it..only dropped 3 times moving it like a dope...but got frame sliders just for that reason no damage at all but on sliders are nicked a bit...w/e...go with the 750...any bike can be tamed..all about how u use the throttle, just go easy with it...

that'll be good advice, right before he buys a bike 2 years ago. lol.

All I can do is tell you what I went through - Started off with a Ninja 250 R, passed the written test and got my permit - rode around a bit with some friends who already had their license. Took the MSF course and got my license. A lil bit later I picked up a 750.

That my short story and the difference between getting a smaller CC bike vs. going straight to a 750 is what's between the ears. Use your head and listen to your gut.

Be safe!!!

i started on a 750, you will be fine, just don't go off and be an asshat and get yourself or someone else hurt

I am fine! Been a few years now and put 43,000 KM on the 06 750 and still good! No chicken strips... you can learn on a 750 if you don't have an EGO.

thats gay.... buy it! no worries....the best bike in the WORLD!

I had a k6 7fiddy as my first bike and it was not that big of a deal u will have no problem handling it.

this thread is STUPID old. I'm glad the OP is still alive, but how many of the others or their bikes are not?

I got my 07 750 and hit the streets! I prob have read tonz of articles on how to turn correctly, counter steering, the big do's and dont's for prob 2 years leading up to getting mine. I think that helped me the most. Only thing i would do dif is frame sliders ASAP, rear end jumped out from under me in a wet parkinglot.

LOL i just looked at the dates disregard my last!

I'm Bringing this thread back from the dead... and as my first post here. :nono

I wanted to get some input from the more experienced riders here about my specific situation in regards to buying a used GSXR750 as my first street motorcycle.

A little info about me... I'm 32 years old, 5-8 and 150 pounds and very athletic. I grew up riding a 50cc minibike as a kid up until age 13 or so, and then didn't ride a bike regularly until I was about 29. 3 years ago I bought a 2003 Honda XR250R dirtbike and have since modded it for more power(and am very bored with its current power). I've ridden about 4 to 8 hours a weekend most weekends between March/April and November over the past 3 years on trails and local stuff, generally doing about 40 to 150 miles per weekend of trail riding. I've also spent about 2 or 3 hours on a newer CRF450R(WOW is it fast compared to my bike!!), and enjoyed that quite a bit although it's power is a bit much for the real tight and gnarly woods stuff which makes up some of the areas that I regularly ride.

I want to get my class M license, and am going to get it through one of those 15-hour Basic Rider Courses in a nearby city in the next few weeks.

It seems that the majority of people here seem to say that a GSXR750 is not the ideal bike for a first bike for most people(makes sense). I've never ridden a streetbike before, but with the amount of dirtbike riding that I do almost every weekend, how much of that is likely to translate over to street riding skills? I would imagine that stuff like throttle and clutch control, rev-matched downshifts while braking, looking ahead of you instead of at the ground in front of your front wheel, and safely using the front brake in a panic situation, etc. should carry straight over to a streetbike, as well as the ability to safely manipulate the bike over obstacles such as railroad tracks and deep grooves in the road without having a wheel get caught and pulled out of line with the other wheel.

Do you guys still think that an '02 to '07 used GSXR750 will be too much to start out with in my situation given all the dirtbiking experience? Is there really a lot more to learn for transitioning from dirt to street in terms of riding skills aside from general awareness and extra safety precautions regarding other vehicles?

Thanks, and appreciating any constructive input you guys might have.

Appreciate it my friend. I guess I learn pretty quickly. My buddy actually showed up at the training course on his 1000. Took me for lunch on the back, first time I ever sat on one.. lets say once we hit the highway I was hooked http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I think I will take the fairings off while I ride around in the parking lots / neighbourhood for a 'while' http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks again for the comment! - it's good newsOMG 4 balls on a bike does not go

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it's your money get the bike that you wanna buy. Whatever you do respect the bike, don't think you know how to handle it cause that will be when it will teach you a lesson. Respect the bike, ride it a lot and learn how to handle it and you should be okay.

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resurrection.

Just wanted to say the 7 past pages have been really helpful to me whos getting a 600cc gsxr this weekend and am curious if anyone has any good articles to read that has to do with riding and handling or anything about gsxrs

youtube/google "keith code" "twist of the wrist"

best applied if you are able to watch/read while riding so you can do what he does :thumbup

enjoy

Alright so I have read this and here is my Opinion. I am 5'4" and 160lbs so a little lighter so adjust as you will. I have had about 4 1/2 years riding experience on top of the MSF course. And I took a lot of wise cracks from my friends but My 1st bike was K6 ninja 250R had for year sold it then a year later bought a K10 Ninja 250 R special addition to get feel back for riding (Safety) and kept this bike until Dec. 2010 and traded for k9 GSXR 600. Had good feeling that the 600 had alot more power but was seriousely overwhelmed on just how much. Take your time and choose wisely as I am pretty damn sure the 750 can drop some serious power . Either way Ride safe and wear your gear
:cheers

youtube/google "keith code" "twist of the wrist"

best applied if you are able to watch/read while riding so you can do what he does :thumbup

enjoy

ill check that out thank you

You need a ninja 250

Prob not the best idea in the world, but absolutely do-able. If your confident in your present skills then go for it. But if your still nervous about riding bikes at high speeds and taking corners then forget it. Go get something that doesnt cost much and handles really well. Unfortunately my first bike was my dads hand-me-down 1982 Honda GoldWing. The beast was super heavy, didnt handle well, and the front end had constant wobbles. However it taught me a lot of lessons such as throttle control, picking lines, proper braking, being comfortable around other drivers, etc. Also got my first lay down out of the way on it. :banghead:bangheadThen I went out and got a 750K7 and havent looked back since. :cheers Just be safe man and wear gear. Dont be one of those idiots who go out in tshir and shorts or you will eventually be shredded. :hammer Best of luck to ya!!!! Your gonna love your 750 whenever you get it!:punk

oh... and ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, WITHOUT A DOUBT go out and buy or download Keith Codes Twist of the Wrist II. Its pretty much the sportbike Bible. You wont regret it and it will most likely save you a lot a lot of pain!!