I promised the lot of you that I'd make a post on this last night. So here it is, photographic proof of what quite possibly could be a wheelie sensor since there's already a tip-over sensor in its traditional location behind the battery.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6096/wheeliesensor6js.jpg

Just waiting on that service manual.

So would a wheelie sensor have a bit of mercury in it and when it moves to a certain angle start to govern the revs or something?

how about this get the rear wheel on a stand, with a friends help him or you on the throttle,someone move this sensor around.

i installed a scorpio alarm in a 06 600 the other day and noticed that sensor in its tail. its definately some type of tip over device. but its not a wheelie sensor. it rattles the wrong way. take it off and roll it left to right. you will hear the bearing in it move. you wont hear it front to back.

What the heck would a sensor do that for? Its not like if you start to spill its going to shoot out a mechanical arm with a wheel on it to right-you.

What the heck would a sensor do that for? Its not like if you start to spill its going to shoot out a mechanical arm with a wheel on it to right-you.



To shut the fuel off so you don't keep pinning the throttle and so on.

What the heck would a sensor do that for? Its not like if you start to spill its going to shoot out a mechanical arm with a wheel on it to right-you.



To shut the fuel off so you don't keep pinning the throttle and so on.



yeah but thats a bad Idea, if it shut the fuel and the bike is past 12 it is going to tip over without a doubt. but what would be good is if it would kill the rev's and let engine brake pull you back down past a balance point.

I was going under the assumption that this is a left to right sensor ie not a wheelie sensor like 02_GSXR_HYBRID said.

It's a wheelie sensor with GPS. Once the sensor gets past a 45 degree angle it sends a signal to your local police dept and you go to jail and a signal to your local dealership and they void your warranty.

It's a wheelie sensor with GPS. Once the sensor gets past a 45 degree angle it sends a signal to your local police dept and you go to jail and a signal to your local dealership and they void your warranty.

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[quote... if it shut the fuel and the bike is past 12 it is going to tip over without a doubt ...

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Possibly, but there's a good deal of physics involved that keep that from happening. Things like rate of rise, wheels speed, wind and such. You can get a very high angle of attack and still bring it back down without a problem. The biggest factors that dictate if you flip or not are related to rate of rise, wheel speed and accelleration.

so can anyone explain what does it do actually?

I promised the lot of you that I'd make a post on this last night. So here it is, photographic proof of what quite possibly could be a wheelie sensor since there's already a tip-over sensor in its traditional location behind the battery.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6096/wheeliesensor6js.jpg

Just waiting on that service manual.




It's doesn't work...............heeheehee

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/wheelie1.JPG

haha thats a sweet pic

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/wheelie1.JPG

How about a photo that's closer to 90° please. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

if its a left-right sensor it may detect fish tailing. so if u get on the throttle hard and your rear kciks out, it may override throttle control and regulate fuel to try and bring the bike back under control, instead of you chopping the throttle and highsiding or keeping on the throttle and lowsiding.

Experienced riders (ie motogp lol) can kick the rear out and bring it back inline, so the concept is plausible.

I used to ride wheelies on my Superhawk all the time, I dont even get tempted on my new 750. I think its because the Gixx rips the corners like crazy and thats way more fun than wheelies; Superhawk is definitely not much of a corner ripper so wheelies it was. Im sure I'll get the notion again though.

if its a left-right sensor it may detect fish tailing. so if u get on the throttle hard and your rear kciks out, it may override throttle control and regulate fuel to try and bring the bike back under control, instead of you chopping the throttle and highsiding or keeping on the throttle and lowsiding.



I can assure you that if traction control were on the bike, it'd be highly published both in Suzuki's advertising as well as magazine articles. In addition, traction control is not supersport legal in AMA superpsport, Canadian Supersport or World Supersport.

One more thing, traction control measures the Δ, that is, change in speed, between the front and rear tires on the MotoGP bikes that are known to have it.

if its a left-right sensor it may detect fish tailing. so if u get on the throttle hard and your rear kciks out, it may override throttle control and regulate fuel to try and bring the bike back under control, instead of you chopping the throttle and highsiding or keeping on the throttle and lowsiding.



I can assure you that if traction control were on the bike, it'd be highly published both in Suzuki's advertising as well as magazine articles. In addition, traction control is not supersport legal in AMA superpsport, Canadian Supersport or World Supersport.

One more thing, traction control measures the Δ, that is, change in speed, between the front and rear tires on the MotoGP bikes that are known to have it.




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Facts, sometimes they get in the way.

To those asking about the actual tip over sensor.....and what it does.

It does not work at any achievable lean angle. It only works when the bike is damn near on its side...... or you are flicked into a violent highside or damn near it hard enough to sling the contact in the sensor over.

It is mainly to stall the motor in a tip over situation though, primarily when the throttle is stuck in the dirt, to keep engine damage to a minimum. It is a catch 22 though, as I have stated it CAN kill the motor in an otherwise saveable near highside, thus making you a hazard with no motor on the race track. With it you can be rearended, without you might pop your motor when you crash.

Indeed, an old trick was to fill the tip-over sensor with RTV so it didn't cut your motor at the wrong time.

I promised the lot of you that I'd make a post on this last night. So here it is, photographic proof of what quite possibly could be a wheelie sensor since there's already a tip-over sensor in its traditional location behind the battery.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6096/wheeliesensor6js.jpg

Just waiting on that service manual.




It's doesn't work...............heeheehee

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/wheelie1.JPG



the proof is in the pudding....

Is that bearing suspended in a liquid? Or is it just in a cylinder? I can see the liquid making it more sensitive to movement, but at a side to side angle theres no way its goign to pick up wheelies. Unless you start to deviate from the centerline or wooble at the balance point.

What if you are going up a really steep hill???

In the interest of avoiding potentially costly class-action lawsuits, I'm sure the folks over in Hamamatsu tested their sensors to avoid potential problems like the one you're describing.

guys, that sensor you see there is a tip over sensor. Its not behind the battery. the only thing behind the battery is an ap sensor and an starter relay.

guys, that sensor you see there is a tip over sensor. Its not behind the battery. the only thing behind the battery is an ap sensor and an starter relay.



thats what I think as well.......

In the interest of avoiding potentially costly class-action lawsuits, I'm sure the folks over in Hamamatsu tested their sensors to avoid potential problems like the one you're describing.



You talking to me>>> If so Ive seen it happen. It can and does happen in racing situations.

No there is no liquid, at least there didnt used to be. it is just a contact on a half moon slide.

In the interest of avoiding potentially costly class-action lawsuits, I'm sure the folks over in Hamamatsu tested their sensors to avoid potential problems like the one you're describing.



You talking to me>>> If so Ive seen it happen. It can and does happen in racing situations.

No there is no liquid, at least there didnt used to be. it is just a contact on a half moon slide.



There's at least one video out there of a wreck from a near highside and the motor cutting out, then the guy getting hit. Somebody else can google it up though.

I'd buy into a tip over sensor cutting the engine by chance in the event of a near highside as the moment of force could, by chance be similar to that found when the bike is completely tipped over.

Again, traction control (other than ABS brakes) doesn't exist on street bikes, not yet at least.

I'd buy into a tip over sensor cutting the engine by chance in the event of a near highside as the moment of force could, by chance be similar to that found when the bike is completely tipped over.

Again, traction control (other than ABS brakes) doesn't exist on street bikes, not yet at least.



actually, there are a couple big cruiser and touring bikes out there with ABS. maybe not on sport bikes, but it is out there.

i dont know how credible this is, but my buddy was telling me about some 06 bike out there with air bags? i havent seen it, so dont take my word, but maybe someone knows something about that.

not to get too far off topic...

Honda Gold Wing now has an Air Bag. Yamaha FJRs have ABS as well as clutchless shifting. But still No bikes have Traction Control.

I'd buy into a tip over sensor cutting the engine by chance in the event of a near highside as the moment of force could, by chance be similar to that found when the bike is completely tipped over.

Again, traction control (other than ABS brakes) doesn't exist on street bikes, not yet at least.



actually, there are a couple big cruiser and touring bikes out there with ABS. maybe not on sport bikes, but it is out there.

i dont know how credible this is, but my buddy was telling me about some 06 bike out there with air bags? i havent seen it, so dont take my word, but maybe someone knows something about that.

not to get too far off topic...



As I said, no traction control other than ABS is out on the market. I think you can get every BMW with anti-locks brakes as well as a bunch of the Japanese bikes and some of the Italian bikes too.

Airbags can be found on the Honda Goldwing.

I'd buy into a tip over sensor cutting the engine by chance in the event of a near highside as the moment of force could, by chance be similar to that found when the bike is completely tipped over.

Again, traction control (other than ABS brakes) doesn't exist on street bikes, not yet at least.



actually, there are a couple big cruiser and touring bikes out there with ABS. maybe not on sport bikes, but it is out there.

i dont know how credible this is, but my buddy was telling me about some 06 bike out there with air bags? i havent seen it, so dont take my word, but maybe someone knows something about that.

not to get too far off topic...



As I said, no traction control other than ABS is out on the market. I think you can get every BMW with anti-locks brakes as well as a bunch of the Japanese bikes and some of the Italian bikes too.

Airbags can be found on the Honda Goldwing.



ABS blows, let me brake the damn bike.... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/lick.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

that design of tipover sensor works with a magnet and a curcuit board. the magnet kinda resembles and anvil with a curved top. pretty neat inside.

that design of tipover sensor works with a magnet and a curcuit board. the magnet kinda resembles and anvil with a curved top. pretty neat inside.



How so? are there electrodes on each end? Is it like a situation where the whole unit is like charged and the tendency to push away like charges trips the sensor?

If you want to see if it works or not, remove the sensor, give it some gas and tip the sensor backwards. If it cuts off, it works. In my opinion though, that's not what it is. By the time it kicked in it would be to late.

If you want to see if it works or not, remove the sensor, give it some gas and tip the sensor backwards. If it cuts off, it works. In my opinion though, that's not what it is. By the time it kicked in it would be to late.



How do you figure it would be too late? We dont even know the sensitivity of the device.

never in my life have i seen so much drama over a damn tip over sensor. GET OVER IT PEOPLE!!!!

Tip over switch:

http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~gary/tipissue1.htm

If you want to see if it works or not, remove the sensor, give it some gas and tip the sensor backwards. If it cuts off, it works. In my opinion though, that's not what it is. By the time it kicked in it would be to late.



How do you figure it would be too late? We dont even know the sensitivity of the device.



I don't for sure. I'm just compairing 2 things. The side tip sensor, the bike has to be almost completely on it's side before it cuts out. And with it going over, if it doesn't cut before 12oclk what is the point of having it? Just my thoughts. I'm not a Suzuki rep.

What are you guys smoking?

No way.. I just broke mine in... Hit up the highway today. I was ridin 2nd and 3rd gear standups - no clutch- almost effortlessly. I will post video soon.

maybe its a black box that the police can hook a scanner up to and see if you were speeding or not

fucking A, I checked this shit in the repair manual. ITs a fucking tip over sensor.

This dumb fucking thread is still going?

It's a weight limit sensor...prevents you from taking a big bitch home!!!

It's a weight limit sensor...prevents you from taking a big bitch home!!!


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