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: 06 600 dyno'd


Tim Radley
03-12-2006, 10:47 PM
I dyno'd new 06 60 this morning. Only 40 miles on the clock but it put down 114bhp in totally stock trim.
I'm fitting a full system, powercommander and ignition module in the next 24 hours so will post up graphs later when its done.
What wasn't good was the lack of midrange compared to an 05 bike!!

Jimmy 2 Times
03-13-2006, 12:17 AM
damn, that is like a 10 hp jump over the previous generations

onedownfiveup
03-13-2006, 12:29 AM
Holy cow! That's a lot of power for a 600! I want one http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I have a buddy picking up a yellow/black 750 wed. I hope to dyno that soon.

How much tq did it pick up Tim?

IllmicIll
03-13-2006, 03:38 AM
damn that is pretty impressive... 10 more peak hp with more torque... mmm

mole
03-13-2006, 04:17 AM
That's great (for 06 Gixxer owners at least). Can you tell us what dyno was used and how it compares to other Gixxer 600s or any other 600s you have dyno'd with various modifications?

Was this a dyno break-in or a street break-in?

I picked my 06 600 up the other day but managed only 7 miles then the weather got bad.

KeggeR62
03-13-2006, 07:41 AM
One of my Kawasaki friends told me that the new 600 would only dyno 108 at best , im glad I can show him this and piss him off .. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

mole
03-13-2006, 08:39 AM
FYI, This is the smoothest shifting transmission I've ever seen. Makes my 2001 GSXR 600 tranny feel like it was from a Harley!

Looks like the forks have changed, at least on the inside with some different valving, a new mid-valve and some other minor changes.

Tim Radley
03-13-2006, 09:19 AM
Right, what a day. 2 powercommanders and my laptop all blew up!! And its 11pm here and i've just got home from the workshop. Don't work on bikes for a living .......
From memory, the bike put out 114bhp with i think 46ft lb torque. I did haven't a totally stock k4/k5 to compare to as all the ones i've run on my dyno (dynojet 250i) have had at least an end can. They were all around 104/105bhp and 47ftlb torque, so this new one is a bit off that. The power curve was about 8bhp lower than the older bikes up until something like 12 or 13k revs so like i said its lacking midrange. It does rev higher so this midrange loss will be taken up with the gearing.
As for break-in ...... my customer took it to the track the other day and did a couple of sessions. First at 70% throttle and the 2nd flat out. So really no break in or perhaps some would prefer to call it the motoman method!!
What i can tell you is the packaging is shit. At least as bad as a cbr600rr i thought. In other words if you want to connect up a pc3 or get at anything it sucks.
One of the powercommanders that shit itself was for this bike. I put one off a k4 on after (same unit) and got the bike running at 10.15pm but fuck mapping at that time of night. I'll map it in the morning and post the results up here tomorrow night.
Oh and lastly the stock exhaust weighs more than jabba the hut, so bin the piece of wank.

Jimmy 2 Times
03-13-2006, 09:37 AM
you would think that an exhaust half the size of a standard one would be lighter......


thanks for the updates Tim http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Tim Radley
03-13-2006, 09:41 AM
It must be made of solid pig iron. Honestly, its like a fucking buell exhaust the big thing they've put underneath. Its not that long, but is very wide and also contains the cat. I'll ask my customer to weigh it at his workshop tomorrow. Header pipes were good quality. Exup valve fitted as stock but i threw that shit straight in the bin as well.

Cajun
03-13-2006, 11:22 AM
Yeah thanks for info Tim

the weight on that pipe would be interesting

mole
03-13-2006, 11:48 AM
The lack of mid-range on the dyno imay be due to lean mapping from the factory. If you look at the Powercommander map DynoJet has for the stock 06 gixxer, it adds up to 45 points of additional fuel starting at 7000 up to 12000. Its probably lean out of the box to help it meet emmission requirements and better mpg.

Looks like I won't get to ride mine for a while. GMD wants to measure it and get numbers. Will revalve/spring the forks and setup a Penski while it's there.

Can't wait to re-map it and get it on the track with pipe, B&C filter and U4 fuel!! Should be a huge improvement over the 2001.

red boy
03-13-2006, 09:08 PM
Seems a bit of a happy dyno, we have seen 3 k6's run on the dyno.
All stock.
105.5 bhp
105.9 bhp
106.7 bhp.

Tim Radley
03-14-2006, 07:29 AM
Seems a bit of a happy dyno, we have seen 3 k6's run on the dyno.
All stock.
105.5 bhp
105.9 bhp
106.7 bhp.



We got to go down this dyno figures route again Gary????

My machine is a dynojet 250i and it reads pretty well the same within a horsepower of every other 250i for those that want clarification.
Give me half hour and i'll get the graphs up. And i'll show it against k4's so that the figures give meaning.

Tim Radley
03-14-2006, 07:54 AM
Here is the first one. A totally stock 06 vs an 04 with race can (edit. just looked at map, it had a filter and loads of mileage too). Neither mapped. Excuse the non totally stock k4 but i couldn't find one in my runfiles.
http://www.racedevelopments.co.uk/images/k4vsk6_stock.jpg

Tim Radley
03-14-2006, 07:59 AM
Here is the k6 with yoshi 180/360 4-2-1 system, pc3 and ignition module.
http://www.racedevelopments.co.uk/images/k6yoshmapped.jpg

Tim Radley
03-14-2006, 08:13 AM
And lastly, here is the k6 with full yosh system and mapped as above against a k4 with full arrow system, mapped that had loads of mileage on it.
http://www.racedevelopments.co.uk/images/k4vsk6_fullsysmapped.jpg

Tim Radley
03-14-2006, 08:15 AM
The lack of mid-range on the dyno imay be due to lean mapping from the factory.


Absolutely right, it was extremely lean. I wouldn't run one of these with an exhaust change and no pc3!!

constantine
03-14-2006, 12:06 PM
Can you post a picture of the bike please?

mole
03-14-2006, 01:05 PM
Are you willing to share your maps? It would save me some expensive dyno development time to get a good base map to start from.

Tim Radley
03-15-2006, 06:52 PM
No pictures available as the bike went out before i'd posted the graphs.
The map created was not for a roadbike and also incomplete due to time constraints.

red boy
03-15-2006, 07:30 PM
Seen this on another forum.

Lastly, the G6k i have done a few more and the 1st was the highest (congrats justin!) so far best was 111.6, worst 106.9, avg 109rwhp. Very nice improvement (comparisonwise, R6 best 109.9, worse 107.1, avg's 108rwhp)

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red boy
03-15-2006, 09:48 PM
Here is another on the same forum.

My K6 600 did 102 on the dyno without no mods.
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Tim Radley
03-15-2006, 10:59 PM
Better check your dyno then Gary, because is seem to remember you claiming high teens for a stock new R6 about a month ago?
Still doesn't change the fact the k6 is 6bhp up on a similar spec k4 now does it??? Maybe me dyno makes numbers up as it pleases ...... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

And stop stalking me on forums. Are you jealous or gay? Either way i'm flattered ...... ya homo

joeh44
03-16-2006, 03:19 PM
My sad dyno break-in run.http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/lastscan8.jpg

Plarp
03-17-2006, 11:51 PM
Here is another on the same forum.

My K6 600 did 102 on the dyno without no mods.
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Way to copy my entire signature there buddy. :p

Yes, my bike made those numbers on Monday, 13 March. The day before there was a 2005 R6 on that dyno. It had a full system, Power Commander and aftermarket air filter. It made 106 horsepower.

It's all relative, tell us what your bike made in comparison to another bike that was recently run on that dyno. Unless of course, it's an eddy-current dyno that doesn't need to be recalibrated all the time like inertia dynos.

mole
04-01-2006, 01:41 PM
I just had my stock 06 GSXR 600 dyno'd. I put 50 street miles on it over a couple days, running it fairly hard between 6000 & 10000 to generate maximum ring pressure for good break in. No putzing around. Changed the oil and put it on the dyno: did 8 pulls with increasing RPM from 8000 to 12,000. Let it cool then did some pulls up to rev-limiter.

The bike's tach showed rev's maxed at 16500. The dyno showed it hit rev limiter at about 15,400. Max HP was 101.6 This is a fairly new 250i dyno setup.

I was disappointed with the low HP numbers but then I looked at the air-fuel ratio graph - it was incredibly lean! So lean that I can't believe it even got 101 hp. These things shouldn't be ridden without a PowerCommander and a good map!

I'll post the graph shortly.

The PowerCommander goes on next along with a 190 209GP rear tire. I'll do a few pulls with a zero map to see how much HP it takes to spin the extra 4 lbs of larger diameter tire with stock fuel map. Then we'll optimize the map and hope for at least another 5 hp by adding fuel.

Next week I'll have the M4 pipe, BMC filter, 520 conversion and run U4 fuel for more dyno runs. I'll also put the 01 race bike on the dyno which is similarly configured and be able to compare. Hopefully I'll see a lot more mid-range and higher top end HP.

My tuning guy from the last 4 years sold his dyno so I have no baseline. He had an older one so I am sure the numbers won't compare accurately. The old 2001 GSXR in race prep config with U4 fuel would consistantly put out 107 hp. I'll put it in this new dyno and see if there is a difference between them.

mole
04-01-2006, 02:17 PM
The goods:

Mike Edwards
04-02-2006, 07:41 AM
Hi Tim,

My GSXR600K6 made approxiamtely 104 hp out of the crate. Had quite a tight chain and only 17 miles on the clock so expect a few more when it loosens up. Also didn't have the air intake tubes in place as it was still a 'work in progress'...

Less than a 100 miles on the clock and it lost loads of power whilst run properly for the first time. Waiting to plug it in to the Suzuki diagnostic kit to find out what's wrong.

Still using the stock exhaust as the Arrow system is still on it's way from Italy.

Hope we get it sorted as we are off to Valencia testing and racing in just over a week.