I was thinking about doing the pair mod this weekend.

Anyone here done it and where can you get all the connectors, hoses and caps from.

yeah i did the mod.
i got my hose and plastic t-piece from Pirtek.
look in the yellowpages.
you should be able to get the hoses and clamps from any auto-parts store. i just used 1/2" fuel hose. the t-piece is the hardest to get.
being in sydney u shouldnt have to go too far though.

I have been meaning to get around to doing this, so you notice much?

Ok, I'm doing the mod on saturday. graemlins/thumbup.gif (after reading all the posts on this site, took forever)

Now the biggest problem I see is finding the End caps for the air box.

I noticed that Big W has gardening hose fittings that could work for the tee piece and connector. What do you guys think.

I can proberly join both hoses to avoid loking for heeps of hose, but I will still need hose for the t piece section.

Did pirtec sell the heater hose? I noticed all the Yanks were shopping at NAPA. Do we have anything similar to NAPA that sells heater hose and joins and end caps?

fuck... i wanna do this mod...
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Just went to the bike shop and ordered 2 end caps for the air box (the pink ones) $6.30 each!!

The little nipple cap that goes over the no4 throttle body was $6.90. I'll just block that hose for now...

Now i need hose. I'll try some auto shops before i go to the proper hose shops.

Originally posted by SyMBi0TiK:
fuck... i wanna do this mod...
images/icons/frown.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i dunno mate...you also didnt like what the TRE did to your bike either so?....and this is a bit more involved, and should comfortably void warranty....

I just did mine a coup'la days ago.
I got 3/8 th id fuel hose from Repco(1 metre) and 6 clamps to go with it. choose clamps the next size up if poss(I got the clamps to suit the hose but they were a fraction too small once the hoses were fitted).
I got a garden hose T-connector from the local gardening shop.
and for the 2 plugs on my airbox i got 2 rubber stool leg 'caps' from the hardware store.
I used a screw to plug the #4 TB vaccuum hose.
It took longer shopping for this stuff than to actually do the mod!. 30 mins & < $15 all up.
While I had the airbox off I covered the whole base of it with heat reflective tape.

[ 01-21-2003, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Kiwi750y ]

Kiwi, the point of the tape being to keep the airbox cooler?..

What is your subjective report on the pair mod? images/icons/smile.gif

if i own3d a bike i'd do the pair mod images/icons/tongue.gif bahhhhhh *like a sheep*

honeslty though, with things like the TRE pair mod, 520 conversion etc....soooooo many pepople have had good things to say about it, it couldnt be bad....

but then again u dont know till you try, and all these things are reversable... graemlins/bounce.gif

[ 01-21-2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Nolz ]

Yeah, I am going to do it one day, interested at the moment on the idea of the tape bizzo..

Yeah gsxrboy, the tape is to try & help keep the airbox from getting hot from all the heat of the engine especially when in traffic in summer. I will also insulate the fuel line. I also sealed the airbox halves with tape and am pondering a better seal for the airbox ram holes against the frame. I did see billet items for this but they were $80US i think at the time.
I haven't decided what the verdict is with the pair mod. I think the bottom end throttle response has improved a bit but i need more time to test it up higher.

not too sure about the tape, i think it will delay the onset of heat but after a little while it will heat up anyways, if it were isulated buy some sort of insulator images/icons/grin.gif aswell it may be more effective....?

but then again...hrmmmm just a thought...

although if air did flow past the area is may be of benefit?.....

Hey guys, what the hell is this pair mod???

What does it do? This is the first time I've heard of it, so whats the story?

Kiwi, some reckon that 1/2 inch is a better fit. Is this true?

Campo, i'll try to summarise the pair mod (wish me luck)

Ok there a 2 hoses here that go into your air box for emmissions reasons.

1. crankcase breather. This puts air flowing from your crankcase back into your engine to burn in a friendly manner and not harm the environment.

Now some dragracers etc etc will have a mechanical pump that sucks air from this hose to create a vacume in the crankcase. Less air in there, less resistance for the pitons (eg, take moving through air or water, which is easier) and the engine will rev alot quicker. There are dyno graphs to show that the engine revs quickers on the site from jeff.

2. Pair assembly (not the fruit). This thing sucks air from your airbox into your exhaust (not to sure about the tecnicalities of this, but i know it sucks, really sucks air). It adds the air to help burn your unburnt mixture properlly, in order to save the environment or some crap. Cars have this too, bikes got it recently. The busas have it all over the front of their bikes, pipes everywhere.

Anyways

Why have these pipes stealing/polluting our important air box air when we can use it to make more power!! Lets pull the hoses out of the air box and plug the air box holes. Now we are only getting good air in the air box and it all goes to the engine graemlins/thumbup.gif

Now we are left with two loose hoses. why not join them together. The pair sucks and this can be used to create a vacume in the crankcase. The same thing dragracers use a little pump to do but here we can do it for free graemlins/thumbup.gif
Now the pair will suck the Hot crankcase gases into the exhaust, big shit, i'll rather it there then in the combustion chamber. Sorry to all the little kids animals trees and so on whose air I will pollute that little bit extra now.....

Hell yeah, is it really that hard to do? Does it take long? I've just seen the Mods page of the Rogue website and it looks so full-on! But I so wanna do it, some say you'll get an extra 5HP out of her? True?

Originally posted by Campo:
Hell yeah, is it really that hard to do? Does it take long? I've just seen the Mods page of the Rogue website and it looks so full-on! But I so wanna do it, some say you'll get an extra 5HP out of her? True?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">gonna have to look it up on the OTHER forum since theres prolly not much about HONDuhhhhs here images/icons/grin.gif

just bustin ur chops ol friend images/icons/wink.gif

not too sure about the tape, i think it will delay the onset of heat but after a little while it will heat up anyways, if it were isulated buy some sort of insulator aswell it may be more effective....?

but then again...hrmmmm just a thought...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This is straight from a factory race team in USA.
it all helps if you can keep the mixture cooler for longer. look at the drag racers who strap blocks of ice to the blower/inlet manifold.
You can actually make up a sheetmetal plate which runs between the airbox/carbs and covers the entire engine right over to the frame rails and basically 'seals' the airbox cavity from heat from the engine. this may be more along the lines of what You are suggesting as a more effective type of insulator. If i was good at sheetmetal I'd have done that too. The heat proof tape essentially IS my poor mans sheetmetal plate.
It might even double as an emergency barbie plate in the outback. graemlins/thumbup.gif Now I know You can relate to that idea graemlins/thumbup.gif it'd even have four holes for holding the implements and a cold tinny. images/icons/smile.gif

Kiwi, some reckon that 1/2 inch is a better fit. Is this true?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Steve, it probably would be a little easier to fit. graemlins/thumbup.gif

Campo: Man, I haven't dynoed my bike since but I'd be shocked if You could get 5 HP from a pair mod. It apparently crispens the throttle response and allows the engine to spin up slightly faster.

Kiwi750y, you've got me running scared now about this weekend's ride, what with your pair mod and TRE enquiries coupled with the other mods we've covered.

HELP! Maybe I'll just meet you at our intended destination.

Yeah guess what Dude, I just ordered the TRE from Jeffw. images/icons/smile.gif I can't stop myself. images/icons/frown.gif
don't worry man, I promise I'll be cool and we can still get in some good miles together. Just want to test out my mods a bit here & there along the way. graemlins/thumbup.gif

i know i dont like the TRE... but i have seen dyno results showing a gsxr1000 reaching its peak power 2 seconds quicker with the pair mod than without it... its on jeffw's site and that guy knows his shit so i wouldnt mind my bike getting up to peak hp quicker... especially now on the track... besides... i still wanna try it... riding your bike at the track voids warranty as well you know...
im pretty screwed either way at the moment... images/icons/frown.gif

Originally posted by Steve 1234:
I was thinking about doing the pair mod this weekend.

Anyone here done it and where can you get all the connectors, hoses and caps from.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What the hell is the pair mod?!~?!? graemlins/icon_wtf.gif

Woody, it's just the removal of some hoses around the motor to do some funky changes and get some extra ponies.

Originally posted by Campo:
Woody, it's just the removal of some hoses around the motor to do some funky changes and get some extra ponies.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ok - I'm still confused but I'll just sit her nodding and smiling.

basically... on a gsxr1000 with a pair... you will reach your peak power 1-2 seconds quicker than if you didnt have the pair mod...

basically it is getting rid of the extra air rather than recycling it which frees up the engine to produce power quicker...
i might be wrong... but thats the jist i got of it... if im wrong just correct me... graemlins/thumbup.gif

Originally posted by SyMBi0TiK:
basically... on a gsxr1000 with a pair... you will reach your peak power 1-2 seconds quicker than if you didnt have the pair mod...

basically it is getting rid of the extra air rather than recycling it which frees up the engine to produce power quicker...
i might be wrong... but thats the jist i got of it... if im wrong just correct me... graemlins/thumbup.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, thats about right mate

thats what i was trying to say kiwi...
less pressure... less resistance etc...
you put it way better... thanks dude... graemlins/thumbup.gif

Originally posted by Woodzzter:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Campo:
Woody, it's just the removal of some hoses around the motor to do some funky changes and get some extra ponies.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ok - I'm still confused but I'll just sit her nodding and smiling.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ok - Sort of makes a bit more sense now - Cheers graemlins/thumbup.gif

Yeah thats it Symbiotik.
The other thing is that it reduces the air pressure which builds up in the crank case so that the moving parts encounter less resistance and can move more freely.
It's nice for the engine too, not to have to suck all those ugly fumes in and means that the mixture is air/fuel not air/fuel/smelly oil fumes.

i cant believe youve never read it anywhere...
in mods and how tos... every 2nd question is about the TRE or PAIR mods... its suprising you have never read what it does before... images/icons/confused.gif

Pair mod complete graemlins/bannana.gif

caps from suzuki x2 $12.60
cable ties had em
clams for the pipes x3 $1.70
tee piece $8.20
elbow pieces x2 $9.10
1.5 metres of hose 1/2 inch $8.20
screw to bolt #4 throttle body hose had it

all up about $40

auto one had the hoses and the heater hose fittings.

idle did drop a bit, fixed it.

and yes this does SUCK. Pulling the oil cap off shows you exactly how much it sucks. Took it for a ride, double points......

felt better, seemed to power a little smoother through the revs. only got to try second gear, ill have to wait to test the others... but secoond did feel like it reved out faster.

IT DOES WORK, it feels like its reving faster. Now i have to get used to shifting a little earlier.

Now im going to lower my front a little more...
Fucken double points, not worth riding today images/icons/mad.gif
My front is already dropped 4 mm, ill look at the posts and see how much more to drop it. After i dropped it 4 mm, i was shocked at how much better it turned in. It took a bit of time to get used to as you lean around a corner in traffic (your usual amount) and before you know it you about to hit the guy next to you...

goddammit i wanna do this... images/icons/mad.gif
its reversible isnt it...? images/icons/confused.gif
ive heard it is and also that it isnt...

Originally posted by SyMBi0TiK:
i cant believe youve never read it anywhere...
in mods and how tos... every 2nd question is about the TRE or PAIR mods... its suprising you have never read what it does before... images/icons/confused.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh no and I am just about to ask a pair mod question in the y2k forum, but I don't think this one has been asked before.

what question is it...?

Symb, its reversable. All you need is another set of hoses to use. To put it back to stock just put your original hoses back on.

yeah thats what i thought...
so you dont actually destroy or permanently disable anything when you do this...?
i was under the impression there was ripping and gouging of hoses and shit... it didnt sound like there was gonna be any original hoses left...
i dont know... images/icons/confused.gif