I'm about to pull the trigger on a turbo kit (I've had a turbo on my last two cars, so I'm not new to this), but I did want some input about these two kits. I've heard lots of good things about Barry's kits for the Busa's, not too much on the GSXR's. The Velocity kit looks to be about as complete as it can be (minus the PCIII).

I saw the TBR kit under another post and pricing looks to be about the same ($3200) but it will include the PCIII which would save me another $250. However, I'm not sure the TBR kit includes *ALL* the parts I'll need, down to each hose and bracket. Has anyone installed one on their GSXR and can you please let me know your dealings with these kits.

I know Barry is great with customer service also, so that is already a big plus. Thanks in advance!

Jason

I'm about to pull the trigger on a turbo kit (I've had a turbo on my last two cars, so I'm not new to this), but I did want some input about these two kits. I've heard lots of good things about Barry's kits for the Busa's, not too much on the GSXR's. The Velocity kit looks to be about as complete as it can be (minus the PCIII).

I saw the TBR kit under another post and pricing looks to be about the same ($3200) but it will include the PCIII which would save me another $250. However, I'm not sure the TBR kit includes *ALL* the parts I'll need, down to each hose and bracket. Has anyone installed one on their GSXR and can you please let me know your dealings with these kits.

I know Barry is great with customer service also, so that is already a big plus. Thanks in advance!

Jason



Barry's stuff is really nice.......but understand that the stock rods, pistons, studs, injectors, clutch basket all have a nominal hp limit at which they will come apart. For a busa, if you run much more than 200hp the stock rods will fail.

Depending on what your HP goal is will depend on what you are ultimately is going to cost.

A Turbo is not a cheap alternitive to having a built motor......you will have to build the motor and add the cost of the turbo.

I would add RCC turbos to the list . Talk to Richard there . He builds the kits himself , has piles of experience and is a decent guy . He ries a 500 + hp busa and Mike that works for him rides a GSXR 1000 with a GT28R and intercooled . Definitly worth the call . I'm dealing with him for the stuff for my turbo on my 01 1K .

Dave

Well it depends on how much horsepower to what kit you want. If anything under 230 horsepower Then any Stage 1 Hann, RCC, Motorhead, or Velocity will work fine, make sure you know what comes in the kit because besides the Turbo piping, fuel system, and exhaust you will need a powercomander, .060 head gasket, adjustable cam sprokets, better valve springs, And cluch work

Anymore horsepower then a lot of engine work. And then go to Rcc for the best kits..

Chip,you definitely know what our talking about&are an extremely valuable source of information,BUT stock Busa rods will handle much much more then 200hp.
Ive driven my 1397 for over 12k miles and havent had so much as a loud noise from the crank/rods and its got just a lil bit more the 200hp http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
And besides,I dont think Barry(of all people)would say his stage 1 kit(270hp+)is a true bolt-on kit if you had to swap rods.

FYI: Use Velocity or anybody but the motorhead.

Sorry, I guess I should be more clear. I'm not looking for a shoot-out bike, I just was shooting for 200 whp, which shouldn't be that hard with the VR kit. I figured the Velocity kit was the most complete stage 1 kit, and would require the PCIII to tune with. I've seen people who go into the motor upgrading to the 750 springs, but didn't think that was necessary with my power goal of 200 whp. Are you saying the headgasket and the sprockets need to be upgraded at the same time? Also, the velocity kit comes with new clutch springs, and I was going to get new stock discs. Am I missing out on anything?

Chip,you definitely know what our talking about&are an extremely valuable source of information,BUT stock Busa rods will handle much much more then 200hp.
Ive driven my 1397 for over 12k miles and havent had so much as a loud noise from the crank/rods and its got just a lil bit more the 200hp http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
And besides,I dont think Barry(of all people)would say his stage 1 kit(270hp+)is a true bolt-on kit if you had to swap rods.

FYI: Use Velocity or anybody but the motorhead.



270hp on stock rods is rolling the dice.......period.

A 1397cc will make more than 200hp and will last forever, and if you are not racing should last on stock rods......if you are racing I would definately recommend stronger rods.....actually if you are riding to starbucks with over 200hp I would recomend rods.....

Everybody has that uncle that never changed the oil in 200K miles.....that doesn't mean everthing will last 200K without changing the oil.

We see the opposite happen way more often....People cheaped out on the first build (recomended by other builders) and then the motor popped and cost them 3 x the original amount. It always pays to do it right up front.

Original poster - You are wasting your money and asking for way more headachs with a turbo bike with only 200hp as a goal. Have a 1397cc built and you will have a more reliable, easier to ride motorcycle that you will be much happier with.

Yes, turbo are better for extreme horsepower gains if not it's a lot of cash for a little horse power gain. but with that said yes no engine work 5 psi and you get 200 horsepower which will work all day long. No problem and I better tell that guy I know with the 750 putting out 350 horsepower to take his stock rods out!!! LOL well I do believe in insurance but he has more money then I do!!! But Turbos and BOV's do look and sound better !!!

The last two cars I turbo'd where by no means "pushing the limit." My s2000 could have made 317 whp on pump gas (stock was 200whp) but it was my daily driver. I had 270 whp, with a 11:1 AFR at the leanest point, with a few degrees of timing retard throughout the maps. I like the torque and I do love the sound the turbo makes as it spools and when the BOV goes off. The turbo leaves room for improvement down the line. I am not in any danger of racing professionally, this is a fun project. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Anyone have any info on what clutch work will be needed? Thanks guys for the help!!

Jason

Yes, turbo are better for extreme horsepower gains if not it's a lot of cash for a little horse power gain. but with that said yes no engine work 5 psi and you get 200 horsepower which will work all day long. No problem and I better tell that guy I know with the 750 putting out 350 horsepower to take his stock rods out!!! LOL well I do believe in insurance but he has more money then I do!!! But Turbos and BOV's do look and sound better !!!



Why deal with the added weight and drivablity problems with a turbo at 5 psi and 200hp when you can get 200hp N/A that will go faster, last longer, will be easier to ride.

300+.....turbo all the way..........250 and down.....N/A.....just my .02

Just because you can!! Is all !!! Yes I'm 300+ But I'm not about talking someone out of what they want!! Just add heavier cluch springs, You can get lock ups from MTC but you won't need em. The kick of boost will raise you front wheel pretty good. The TBR kits look like they have no exaust that might be some costly fab work. Just a plate with a hole??? Other then that for 200 hp's should be ok...

Velocity's stage 1 kits are top notch components and come on smooth. For the hp ratings you are talking about it would be perfect.

Personally, I prefer intercooled setups because of the safety of running higher boost if you want. If you can get your hands on one, the MC Xpress kit is absolutely phenomenal (I had one on my bike).

Even if you pick a system that would use water injection instead of an intercooler, the piggy back injectors are a must for any hp numbers beyond the 270hp range.

Chip,you definitely know what our talking about&are an extremely valuable source of information,BUT stock Busa rods will handle much much more then 200hp.
Ive driven my 1397 for over 12k miles and havent had so much as a loud noise from the crank/rods and its got just a lil bit more the 200hp http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
And besides,I dont think Barry(of all people)would say his stage 1 kit(270hp+)is a true bolt-on kit if you had to swap rods.

FYI: Use Velocity or anybody but the motorhead.



270hp on stock rods is rolling the dice.......period.

A 1397cc will make more than 200hp and will last forever, and if you are not racing should last on stock rods......if you are racing I would definately recommend stronger rods.....actually if you are riding to starbucks with over 200hp I would recomend rods.....

Everybody has that uncle that never changed the oil in 200K miles.....that doesn't mean everthing will last 200K without changing the oil.

We see the opposite happen way more often....People cheaped out on the first build (recomended by other builders) and then the motor popped and cost them 3 x the original amount. It always pays to do it right up front.

Original poster - You are wasting your money and asking for way more headachs with a turbo bike with only 200hp as a goal. Have a 1397cc built and you will have a more reliable, easier to ride motorcycle that you will be much happier with.



Stock Busa Rods will last up to 300HP.

Chip,you definitely know what our talking about&are an extremely valuable source of information,BUT stock Busa rods will handle much much more then 200hp.
Ive driven my 1397 for over 12k miles and havent had so much as a loud noise from the crank/rods and its got just a lil bit more the 200hp http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
And besides,I dont think Barry(of all people)would say his stage 1 kit(270hp+)is a true bolt-on kit if you had to swap rods.

FYI: Use Velocity or anybody but the motorhead.



270hp on stock rods is rolling the dice.......period.

A 1397cc will make more than 200hp and will last forever, and if you are not racing should last on stock rods......if you are racing I would definately recommend stronger rods.....actually if you are riding to starbucks with over 200hp I would recomend rods.....

Everybody has that uncle that never changed the oil in 200K miles.....that doesn't mean everthing will last 200K without changing the oil.

We see the opposite happen way more often....People cheaped out on the first build (recomended by other builders) and then the motor popped and cost them 3 x the original amount. It always pays to do it right up front.

Original poster - You are wasting your money and asking for way more headachs with a turbo bike with only 200hp as a goal. Have a 1397cc built and you will have a more reliable, easier to ride motorcycle that you will be much happier with.



Stock Busa Rods will last up to 300HP.



I hear ya....... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Chip,did the bearing seize up?
Looks like it got fuggin hot from the discoloration

Looks like oil starvation !! But yes gamble ! I agree but 200 hp don't worry were getting a little off topic here...$3100 turbo kit I think Velocity $250 power comander, Clutch springs, Bolt on kit set boost to 5 psi, tune bike, done!! Anymore boost then requires more info...

Guys, thanks for the info. Looks like a 3 week lead time to get the stage 1 kit, I'll post pics of progress and keep everyone updated.

Jason

what bike is it going to be built on?

Well, it looks like I made a mistake, and it's not a Velocity kit. The kit is shown in the ebay ad below. The price is good about $3200, but I'm not sure if anyone has dealt with this guy before. Looks like a good kit, but any thoughts? It's from www.forcedairsystemtechnology.com (http://www.forcedairsystemtechnology.com)

The kit is going on a 2004 GSXR 1000. I ride ride ride the crap out of my bike. 10,000 miles in 1 year, ON TOP of the 20,000+ I put on the other 4 cars.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-GS...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-GSXR-GSX-R-1000-Turbo-System-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4614047207QQcategoryZ10066QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem)

Jason

those are velocity kits unless he has started making copies of the velocity kit. this guy bought a bunch of turbo kits from velocity and was selling them on ebay. Ask him if it is a velocity kit and post up his reply.

Pretty sure they are just knocking off VR kits . I read somewhere about total kaos being upset about their charts being posted in his adds . Pics are cropped now ...

Dave

those are velocity kits unless he has started making copies of the velocity kit. this guy bought a bunch of turbo kits from velocity and was selling them on ebay. Ask him if it is a velocity kit and post up his reply.



No, all this time I had talked to him, I thought they were Velocity kits, but I asked him earlier today and he was shocked that I thought it was a Velocity kit. Said his kit is almost similar but has improvements over Velocity kits, plus it's a steel up-pipe instead of silicone like VR and has the clutch springs standard, etc. I think the VR Stage 1 has external wastegate, right? Man, I have $3200 burning a hole in my pocket and want a turbo bad, but I research all my stuff like crazy before forking over $3g's.

Jason

Where can you get a MC Xpress kit from looks like they are overseas and it would cost a bundle to get it here in the US.

I have had a velocity system on my bike for over 3 years now and over 10,000 miles I have never had the valve cover off the bike. The bike is making 230 hp at 8lbs of boost . Id like to see someone make that kind of hp with a normally aspirated bike. the bike has been over 200 mph several times and gone 161 mph in the 1/4.

Has anyone bought a kit from the guy selling them on ebay?

Jason

Well that is nice to know that he is making knock offs now. He originally bought several turbo kits from velocity and was selling the velocity kits on ebay. His description of all of the parts that come with the kit is cut and pasted from tkp website of the velocity kit. His dyno graphs are from tkp website of the velocity kit. His pics of the turbo kit look exactly like velocitys pics. I don't know where any one would get the crazy idea that he is selling velocity turbo kits. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif
The stage one velocity does not come with a external waste gate or blow off valve. You can add them for extra $$$. I believe the motorhead ghetto kit stage one comes with a external wastegate included in the base price.
I heard from some one that bought a kit from him when he was selling the velocity kits and said they did not have any problems. I know several people that are watching his auctions to buy a kit, but they all thought that he was selling velocity kits.

NLR - next level racing are distributing mc-xpress turbo kits
http://www.nlrsystems.com/catalog.htm
call and talk to them. intercooled is the safe way to go.