Omg... my hubby just got his new Cycle World magazine... and he pointed out an ad on the last page to me ( he just loves getting me fired up..lol). It was an ad for a new motorcycle company, Vento. It has a woman riding a bike and has a quote of "I want to ride beside you.. not behind you." The problem I have with this is this bike has only 24 hp and a top speed of 85 mph. It is like the ad is saying that women can only handle riding something like this. So that got my attitude up and I wrote an email to the people at Vento and Cycle World explaining my feeling on this type of advertising. Vento emailed me back and I wanted to share with my fellow female riders the email....

Dawn:

Thank you for your email.

Your opinion is welcome and in any way we try to degraded women's.

Maybe you are an expericed rider for many years but there is a lot of woman's that don't have a motorcycle and they don't want to spend a fortune on buying one.

This motorcycle is an entry level 250cc for young riders or women's because it is not as powerful as your motorcycle and is a very light and easy to handle vehicle.

Again thank you for your opinion

Vento Motorcycles





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From: Dawn Bauer [mailto:eey1971@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:19 PM
To: info@vento.com
Subject: Degrading advertisement




I just saw your ad in the new Cycle World magazine. It is the one on the back cover with a picture of a woman rider with the qutoe "I want to ride beside you... not behind you." First of all, I feel this ad is degrading to women based on the fact that this bike has no horsepower and top speed is only 85 mph. Do you believe that women can only handle 24 hp??? or speeds less than 85 mph???

If a person riding this bike with anyone else on a "real bike", they will be left in the wind...

I am a woman rider... and my first motorcycle had 3 times the horsepower than this particular bike and guess what I could handle it....

I don't beleive you should target this bike to women only or you may find yourself lacking buyers due to the degrading message you are portraying.

Thank you
Dawn




So what do ya'll think about this?????

i think that *most women would actually want that kind of bike. being smaller and 'new'.
i think that the company knows that and thats why they made the ad. i dont think they meant it as degrading. Sure there are women out there like yourself and 750dev that want more and can handle more bike.... but again *most.. i think they are just advertising to the demand.

I think I might agree with that.. if they could even master some type of decent response back to me....

But if they are promoting this bike as a new rider bike... what is wrong with promoting it to MEN and WOMEN????

I just think it sucks that when they promote any motorcycle ads to women it is just basic bikes or pink or clothes that fit a size 1 girl.....

I think it is time that motorcycle promoters realize they are not promoting to the AVERAGE female motorcycle rider....

That's not sexist at all. They are catering to a segment of the motorcycling population that wants/needs to learn on something that is not at intimidating and dangerous. Hell, you can still get killed just as easily on a 24hp bike doing 85 mph as you can on a 150hp bike doing 85 mph.

Shit, I think alot of guys out there should have started off on bikes like this. I only wish the few that I knew that made 1000's their first bike would have done that...................they might still be with us today if they had http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

i think that *most women would actually want that kind of bike. being smaller and 'new'.
i think that the company knows that and thats why they made the ad. i dont think they meant it as degrading. Sure there are women out there like yourself and 750dev that want more and can handle more bike.... but again *most.. i think they are just advertising to the demand.



Thanks for the compliment Nate http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif I love when my riding gets complimented http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But the problem is these companies Do keep marketing to these tiny little girls who think riding is "cool".

I am sick of looking at pink riding gear and baby blue gear and gear that doesn't fit and jackets with bows n shit on them.

I want to kill every little stupid clueless girl who goes for that stuff. It gives REAL riders such a bad name. When motorcycle manufacturers start producing pink bikes I won't bitch about pink gear. But fuck.

This stuff gets me so mad I can't even type straight or say what i want. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

I do agree with you that is does come off as very sexist....it could be a good learner bike, but they shouldn't sound like it's what women NEED.

As far as the gear and apparel goes, I would rather see a girl in a pink jakcet with bows then in no jacket at all. I personally wear a mens ICON because I feel safer in it, but in the Pcola area, it's not rare to see a girl (riding or on back) wearing daisy dukes, a halter top and flip-flops. I'll never forget the day I seen some girl riding a busa in that gear to include no helmet. WTF?!?! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

I don't care if they wear no gear. I will ride without a jacket in the summer time..stupid I know, but so what. I'll bitch when i go down ya know lol.

But seriously. In the world of motorcycles it's like we're still supposed to subscribe to these gender roles where women wear pink and look cute. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Kind of like how they have flower vases in VW bugs http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Yeah that's the last thing I want under hard braking...water and plants flying everywhere...not that I would ever be caught dead actually riding/driving a bug. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

Don't you think you are putting a bit too much into this?

Maybe it is mildly sexist, but women are the biggest untapped market as far as new riders go. As far as selling that to men, you'd better have one hell of a marketing department, the selling ice to eskimos type. Most men that get a bike with those looks have egos. They won't go for a small bore bike. They need something to brag about besides a low prices and high MPG. They're aiming for the women because you don't have that same ego talking, and are more likely to get a sensible bike to learn on.

As far as the 85mph top speed, so what. My cousin is a big guy and rides a Harley, and it'll only get him to 85mph. My dad rides Ducatis, and it's a cold day in hell that he breaks 70mph.

I'd consider something like that for my mom's first bike. She needs something light with a low seat height. But since my dad rides Ducs, she's pretty well set on a Monster 620. If she ever gets around to doing her MSF class, then we'll find her one and lower it down for her.

Don't you think you are putting a bit too much into this?



I've come to the conclusion that devil is really a man who looks like a woman.

Just think about it.....

She doesn't like anything girly.....does not like it in the butt......doess not like going down on a guy....... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gifSHE'S a guy......with tits!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ott.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

njracer

I think it is time that motorcycle promoters realize they are not promoting to the AVERAGE female motorcycle rider....


I think you are so busy crying about being offended that you missed the point of the entire ad. It is clearly geared towards NEW woman riders. You know...riding "next to you" indicates on her own bike, and riding "behind you" indicates riding on the same bike as a passenger.

Now, the real question here is... are you so busy being offended that you'd rather see them marketing a gsxr1000 to new female riders?

Further, they most likely aren't wanting to advertise to the "average" female rider....as those that are not average spend money too. Surely you don't suggest that we begin only to make clothes for average sizes, and market to those people only.

Quit trying to be the victim and live your own life without worrying about stupid magazine ads.

well, i still think the balance of power is still in womens' favor.

i'm going out to the bar tonight, and i'm actually taking MONEY with me. how many women have to do THAT when they go out?

and i also don't have women lined up to help me change my oil, tires, plastics, spark plugs, etc...for free. i'd say women have it pretty damn good, so cry me a river LOL.

[this was meant as a lighthearted jab, not a tantrum]

googs

Hello Girls, http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Sorry to post in the girls forum http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif, but I don't believe this is sexist at all. Do you think the <u>average</u> woman can handle a 350lb + bike let alone one that can accelerate quicker than any car worth less then 80 grand?

I'm not trying to start anything here, but I know if I was my girlfriend I wouldn't be able to handle the 600 that I have now simply because of the weight alone.

As long as the bike doesn't look like complete ass, I think this would appeal to many women just like the ad is tailored to. Plus it is a great learner. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

I am sick of looking at pink riding gear and baby blue gear and gear that doesn't fit and jackets with bows n shit on them.

I want to kill every little stupid clueless girl who goes for that stuff. It gives REAL riders such a bad name. When motorcycle manufacturers start producing pink bikes I won't bitch about pink gear. But fuck.

This stuff gets me so mad I can't even type straight or say what i want. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Who cares what color someone else’s jacket is? Most women like girly things because we are girls...plain and simple...we are girls...we like what is pretty and cute...and that is what makes us DIFFERENT from guys.

750devil...I am not trying to put you down with what I am about to say...but when I read your posts...I thought you were a guy, until I read one about you not having one - you sound like a guy. You talk like a guy, drive a 'man's' truck, curse, talk about sex, etc..just like a guy. You seem to be the only female on this site that talks and acts like a guy...guys don't want to date guys.

So now I am defending women...I wear a black jacket because it is sliming… but if I wanted to wear a pink one...does that mean I am a clueless bitch? Who cares...I have a life and it doesn't bother me whether someone wears a pink, blue, purple, whatever jacket. And who cares if you are a REAL rider? What does that mean? Who actually says that? Tell me about who you are when you are not defining yourself as a REAL rider.

Maybe if you were more secure with who you were, you wouldn't get so mad at people or things that have nothing to do with you. Who are you proving yourself to?

I am sick of looking at pink riding gear and baby blue gear and gear that doesn't fit and jackets with bows n shit on them.

I want to kill every little stupid clueless girl who goes for that stuff. It gives REAL riders such a bad name. When motorcycle manufacturers start producing pink bikes I won't bitch about pink gear. But fuck.

This stuff gets me so mad I can't even type straight or say what i want. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif



Who cares what color someone else’s jacket is? Most women like girly things because we are girls...plain and simple...we are girls...we like what is pretty and cute...and that is what makes us DIFFERENT from guys.

750devil...I am not trying to put you down with what I am about to say...but when I read your posts...I thought you were a guy, until I read one about you not having one - you sound like a guy. You talk like a guy, drive a 'man's' truck, curse, talk about sex, etc..just like a guy. You seem to be the only female on this site that talks and acts like a guy...guys don't want to date guys.

So now I am defending women...I wear a black jacket because it is sliming… but if I wanted to wear a pink one...does that mean I am a clueless bitch? Who cares...I have a life and it doesn't bother me whether someone wears a pink, blue, purple, whatever jacket. And who cares if you are a REAL rider? What does that mean? Who actually says that? Tell me about who you are when you are not defining yourself as a REAL rider.

Maybe if you were more secure with who you were, you wouldn't get so mad at people or things that have nothing to do with you. Who are you proving yourself to?

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http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/popcorn_bigbag1.gif now I just need a cold beer. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif BURP http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

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njracer

Ok I could care less what color the riding gear.... but I know at 5'10" and not even close to being fat....can post pic to prove.... I can NOT even come close to fitting in any of the women's gear.... I have 3 jackets and they are all men's apparel... I couldn't even come close to finding any pants to wear...

A group of us plan on going to the track to ride... guess who gets to sit on the sideline because I can't find any leathers to fit me....

On SuzukiriderTC's point, that is men's fault for trying to buy into some girl's pants... I always take money to the bar... and I have probably had less than 5 drinks bought for me in all the times I have gone out... because imagine that.. I make my own money.. and do quite well on my own for that.... and guess what... I have even bought guy's drinks when I have gone out...

On the oil change thing.... I work in the car business... so I get them done at work... but my dad taught me how to take care of a car.. and back in my poor days.. I have changed oil, batteries, alternators, brakes, tires.. you name it....

So if you men continue to do these things for women in hopes to get in their pants... sounds like it is the man's issue not the woman's if you ask me.....

In the end... all I am saying is I wish the motorcycle promoters would remember about us OTHER women that ride

Thanks


I want to thank Engloid for explaining to me the difference between riding beside and behind you.. because I am not sure that I could of figured that out.. that is SOOOO much harder to understand that me getting my Master's degree in Accounting none the less... but I thank you for clarifying that for me...

Now apparently you missed my point... if they want to promote this bike to new riders... I beleive they should promote it to MEN and WOMEN...

I don't think they should promote GSXR1000 to new women riders... but it sure would be nice to see they promote the bike at least once to women period...

When the last time you saw any ads promoting any bike of size to women??? And guess what there are plenty of women out there riding bikes bigger than a 600...

On

Ok I could care less what color the riding gear.... but I know at 5'10" and not even close to being fat....can post pic to prove.... I can NOT even come close to fitting in any of the women's gear.... I have 3 jackets and they are all men's apparel... I couldn't even come close to finding any pants to wear...

A group of us plan on going to the track to ride... guess who gets to sit on the sideline because I can't find any leathers to fit me....

On SuzukiriderTC's point, that is men's fault for trying to buy into some girl's pants... I always take money to the bar... and I have probably had less than 5 drinks bought for me in all the times I have gone out... because imagine that.. I make my own money.. and do quite well on my own for that.... and guess what... I have even bought guy's drinks when I have gone out...

On the oil change thing.... I work in the car business... so I get them done at work... but my dad taught me how to take care of a car.. and back in my poor days.. I have changed oil, batteries, alternators, brakes, tires.. you name it....

So if you men continue to do these things for women in hopes to get in their pants... sounds like it is the man's issue not the woman's if you ask me.....






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On SuzukiriderTC's point, that is men's fault for trying to buy into some girl's pants... and guess what... I have even bought guy's drinks when I have gone out...


Trying to buy your way into their pants?

On the oil change thing.... I work in the car business... so I get them done at work... but my dad taught me how to take care of a car.. and back in my poor days.. I have changed oil, batteries, alternators, brakes, tires.. you name it....


That's good, but surely you realize that you are in the minority, and it's not a large minority at all. Why do you think that the gear comanies want to spend $Xmil to market to your type when they can spend the same $Xmil and market to the majority, which is still somewhat of an untapped market? In other words, the rate of return is much better for them when marketing to the majority. Didn't that Masters in Accounting teach you this stuff? Have any marketing classes along the way? Look into the old classic bell curves and shit, and you will see that you're way out on the tail end, not in the middle.


In the end... all I am saying is I wish the motorcycle promoters would remember about us OTHER women that ride


I'm sure they do, but for now, they all seem to be trying to get in the #1 position for the majority of the market. After there's a clear winner on that, they will likely start spending a bit more to market to the minority groups.

I want to thank Engloid for explaining to me the difference between riding beside and behind you.. because I am not sure that I could of figured that out.. that is SOOOO much harder to understand that me getting my Master's degree in Accounting none the less... but I thank you for clarifying that for me...


Glad I could help. I could tell you were having problems with it. Do we have to get into bragging about college degrees though? I got one too, but have still seen more stupid peope with degrees than without.

I don't think they should promote GSXR1000 to new women riders... but it sure would be nice to see they promote the bike at least once to women period...

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Your post originated with you complaining that they did, now you say you wish they would?

When the last time you saw any ads promoting any bike of size to women??? And guess what there are plenty of women out there riding bikes bigger than a 600...



Yeah, probably about 5% of all sold??? Surely they went over this stuff with you in school. Would you call it efficeient spendage of your funds if you put out a flyer in your neighborhood, for a maid service, yet you printed it in Japanese? Hell no!!! Then why do you think the major motorcycle companies should put out ads that will only appeal to about 5% of the people that might be interested in buying a bike?

I know it sucks for you, and I know it pisses you off, but I just don't see why you can't be more understanding of THEIR position on this. It's like voting for the president...the guy I vote for may not win, but I might have to understand that the majority of people disagreed with me.

i'll concede the point that by marketing in the manner they did, the manufacturer in question definitely decided to self-identify the bike as a "woman's" bike. seriously, how many guys do u think will go into the dealer asking about it after seeing the ad?

but, this is america...men ride big bikes, women ride little ones. like i said in the other thread...we should have graduated licensing so that BEGINNERS ride little bikes and experienced people ride bigger ones.

googs

Don't you think you are putting a bit too much into this?



I've come to the conclusion that devil is really a man who looks like a woman.

Just think about it.....

She doesn't like anything girly.....does not like it in the butt......doess not like going down on a guy....... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gifSHE'S a guy......with tits!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ott.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

njracer


But they are REALL REALLY nice tits http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ott.gif

well, i still think the balance of power is still in womens' favor.

i'm going out to the bar tonight, and i'm actually taking MONEY with me. how many women have to do THAT when they go out?

and i also don't have women lined up to help me change my oil, tires, plastics, spark plugs, etc...for free. i'd say women have it pretty damn good, so cry me a river LOL.

[this was meant as a lighthearted jab, not a tantrum]

googs



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif i take money to the bar and I'm lucky if a guy buys me a drink or two.

Usually I end up buying drinks for guys http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

Next one's on me okay? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

Hello Girls, http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Sorry to post in the girls forum http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif, but I don't believe this is sexist at all. Do you think the <u>average</u> woman can handle a 350lb + bike let alone one that can accelerate quicker than any car worth less then 80 grand?

I'm not trying to start anything here, but I know if I was my girlfriend I wouldn't be able to handle the 600 that I have now simply because of the weight alone.

As long as the bike doesn't look like complete ass, I think this would appeal to many women just like the ad is tailored to. Plus it is a great learner. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif


http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Please tell me you're kidding.

The weight of the bike only matters of you're trying to bench press it.

have you seen how small the MotoGP and AMA riders are? Those guys are shorter and skinnier THAN ME and I can handle my 400lb 750 just fine thanks. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

everyone shut the fuck up and get drunk

I am sick of looking at pink riding gear and baby blue gear and gear that doesn't fit and jackets with bows n shit on them.

I want to kill every little stupid clueless girl who goes for that stuff. It gives REAL riders such a bad name. When motorcycle manufacturers start producing pink bikes I won't bitch about pink gear. But fuck.

This stuff gets me so mad I can't even type straight or say what i want. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif



Who cares what color someone else’s jacket is? Most women like girly things because we are girls...plain and simple...we are girls...we like what is pretty and cute...and that is what makes us DIFFERENT from guys.

750devil...I am not trying to put you down with what I am about to say...but when I read your posts...I thought you were a guy, until I read one about you not having one - you sound like a guy. You talk like a guy, drive a 'man's' truck, curse, talk about sex, etc..just like a guy. You seem to be the only female on this site that talks and acts like a guy...guys don't want to date guys.

So now I am defending women...I wear a black jacket because it is sliming… but if I wanted to wear a pink one...does that mean I am a clueless bitch? Who cares...I have a life and it doesn't bother me whether someone wears a pink, blue, purple, whatever jacket. And who cares if you are a REAL rider? What does that mean? Who actually says that? Tell me about who you are when you are not defining yourself as a REAL rider.

Maybe if you were more secure with who you were, you wouldn't get so mad at people or things that have nothing to do with you. Who are you proving yourself to?

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Pot meet kettle

YOU agreed the marketing was sexist did you not? Now you're trying to tell me my opinion is somehow not worthy? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Yes it is insulting, as if I'm supposed to feel bad because I drive a truck. You know why i got the truck?

#1 because I like it, it's fast, it's classy (for a truck) and believe it or not it holds its value because it's a limited production vehicle.

and more importantly

#2 I did not want to be dependant on some guy OR ANYONE to move my bike when I wanted to ride somwhere far away like Deal's Gap. I don't want to owe a guy anything or feel helpless. I hate being "one upped" because I NEED someone else to do something.

If being independent makes me a man...then fuck it. I'd rather be masculine than helpless and needy. It's nice to know that some people are still prescribing to sexist attitudes and traditional gender roles. Even better that it's women doing it.

You make it sound as if a woman's only worth can be found in how well she attracts a man instead of just being worth something because she's a person with her own life and own goals. My goal in life is not to attract a man. And guess what, most men like that I ride and drive a truck and don't get offended when the word FUCk is slung around.

And when I said "real rider" just to clarify I mean someone who is not about the image and looking cute and having cute little girly thigns everywhere so people can see them, I didn't mean it in a deragatory way (unlike your comments). "Real" riders don't care if they look like shit or if the pants are a little saggy in teh ass because they are comfortable to ride in. They don't just ride on warm sunny days, they ride because they can't NOT ride. That is my opinion.

The weight of the bike only matters of you're trying to bench press it.


Or if you lay it down, as beginners are much more likely to do.

have you seen how small the MotoGP and AMA riders are? Those guys are shorter and skinnier THAN ME and I can handle my 400lb 750 just fine thanks. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif


They're not quite beginners either. Not only that, but if they lay the bike down, they usually have corner workers there that help them pick it back up.

yes im willing to bet, most females wont be able to pick up there bike if they drop it. Not by thereself

No usually not I agree. But there are usually people nearby if a bike is dropped or crashed.

And chances are if you "crash" the bike won't be ridable anyways.

And for the record I dropped my bike one in the parking lot (the old 04 that was stolen) and I did pick it back up by myself.

Don't you think you are putting a bit too much into this?



I've come to the conclusion that devil is really a man who looks like a woman.

Just think about it.....

She doesn't like anything girly.....does not like it in the butt......doess not like going down on a guy....... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gifSHE'S a guy......with tits!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ott.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

njracer

NJ why do you continue to start drama when it really isn't needed. Is the real problem... the fact that you have a pink jacket and still haven't come out of the closet yet? Come on now. you're a mod man and bashing 750 isn't the right thing to do. She has her opinion and if you don't agree make your point but name calling and saying she's a man with tits isn't called for. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif I truell am disappointed http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif

But they are REALL REALLY nice tits http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ott.gif


that they are. ill vouch for that
lmao
mmm
:grab: http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif

Thanks Nate http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gif

"porn tits" http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif or so I've been told..but they're REAL http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Seeing this thread from the outside and not looking and the whole sexist issue I do notice one thing. 750devil didn't start any drama at all but a bunch of other assholes did... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif Yeah, 750 overreacted in several threads - in the past... Now she's just voicing her opinion and even making fun of some of the replies. Read through the thread without looking at names and see which posts are nothing but drama starters...


There sure are a lot of drama queens in this thread - 750 isn't one of them... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif

And for the record I dropped my bike one in the parking lot (the old 04 that was stolen) and I did pick it back up by myself.



Most women would have left their bike laying, and gotten help. Another point I though of is that with something like a 250 Rebel, the center of gravity is lower. This makes it easier to hold up, and also a lot easier to pick up when it falls.
I'm sure it took a good straining, as I've had to do it myself and it sucks!!! I'm about average size, at about 180lbs, and the couple times I've dropped a bike, I wished somebody was there to help...but was also glad, or they'd have seen me drop the bike. Still yet, it felt like my intestines were about to have an "out of body" experience.

Don't you think you are putting a bit too much into this?



I've come to the conclusion that devil is really a man who looks like a woman.

Just think about it.....

She doesn't like anything girly.....does not like it in the butt......doess not like going down on a guy....... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gifSHE'S a guy......with tits!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ott.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

njracer

NJ why do you continue to start drama when it really isn't needed. Is the real problem... the fact that you have a pink jacket and still haven't come out of the closet yet? Come on now. you're a mod man and bashing 750 isn't the right thing to do. She has her opinion and if you don't agree make your point but name calling and saying she's a man with tits isn't called for. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif I truell am disappointed http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif



Not bashing...and she didn't get upset. She just pointed out one thig that I failed to mention....


"and they are REALLY REALLY nice"!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ott.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

Now, lets get to my pink jacket. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif So it's pink...I like it....not to mention that I bought it from you.

PS..I'll come out of the closet when you decide to unlock the door and let me out! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/trout.gif

njracer

I won't call anybody a drama queen, but I do think that being upset about this issue is a bit on the dramatic side...

And for the record I dropped my bike one in the parking lot (the old 04 that was stolen) and I did pick it back up by myself.



Most women would have left their bike laying, and gotten help. Another point I though of is that with something like a 250 Rebel, the center of gravity is lower. This makes it easier to hold up, and also a lot easier to pick up when it falls.
I'm sure it took a good straining, as I've had to do it myself and it sucks!!! I'm about average size, at about 180lbs, and the couple times I've dropped a bike, I wished somebody was there to help...but was also glad, or they'd have seen me drop the bike. Still yet, it felt like my intestines were about to have an "out of body" experience.



Well I had dropped it before and someone was there to help me pick it up but I don't know if I could have by myself.

The second time I was so mad I was yelling to be left alone when someone asked if I needed help.

I guess there was so much adrenaline at the time because I picked it up on the first try and don't remember it being that heavy http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Or maybe I'm just a man http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

And for the record I dropped my bike one in the parking lot (the old 04 that was stolen) and I did pick it back up by myself.



Most women would have left their bike laying, and gotten help. Another point I though of is that with something like a 250 Rebel, the center of gravity is lower. This makes it easier to hold up, and also a lot easier to pick up when it falls.
I'm sure it took a good straining, as I've had to do it myself and it sucks!!! I'm about average size, at about 180lbs, and the couple times I've dropped a bike, I wished somebody was there to help...but was also glad, or they'd have seen me drop the bike. Still yet, it felt like my intestines were about to have an "out of body" experience.



Well I had dropped it before and someone was there to help me pick it up but I don't know if I could have by myself.

The second time I was so mad I was yelling to be left alone when someone asked if I needed help.

I guess there was so much adrenaline at the time because I picked it up on the first try and don't remember it being that heavy http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Or maybe I'm just a man http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif



With......REALLY....REALLY nice "porn" tits. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ott.gif

At least we agree on somethin http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

I won't call anybody a drama queen, but I do think that being upset about this issue is a bit on the dramatic side...



Saying that you're upset about something is just voicing your opinion, really - jumping that person for that is starting drama for the sake of drama... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif

There's been way too much of that bullshit lately, that's the reason why many members, myself included don't post much in AG or Red R anymore http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif

Red R is just soft core porn anyways

Saying that you're upset about something is just voicing your opinion, really - jumping that person for that is starting drama for the sake of drama... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif


Overreacting to a situation or something is drama. I'm not alone in thinking that getting upset about something so menial as the mentioned advertisement is overreacting.

In case you didn't get my point yet, the drama queen is the initiator of drama, not the respondent....ALWAYS. Otherwise, they'd not be called the drama queen...as they make the dramatic situation.

I don't think anyone was starting drama by posting their OPINION. Drama is attacking a single member.

u know, i hang out with a woman who was raised in a family of boys. it's the most annoying thing in the world that she has to prove capability at every turn. it gets old way fast. she takes what you say in the most gender negative manner possible and then runs herself into the ground to prove herself. like a wounded puppy who bites u when you're trying to rescue it. i can imagine her snapping at me if i asked her if she needed help loading her bike into a van. i'm asking cuz it's a pain in the ass, not because i think she's a woman and can't do it. i'd ask a guy if he needed help just the same.

most guys wish we could have a woman who is "one of the boys" but this chick is so far gone it makes u sick. we are DIFFERENT...but not BETTER THAN each other. stop looking at the world through the funhouse mirror of gender crisis because ultimately nobody wants to hang around the "eternal victim."

googs

I hope you're not talking to me...not as a threat I mean..I jsut hope you don't think I am the one playing the victim.

I ask for help when I need it, I just don't like owing anybody favors.

I ask for help when I need it, I just don't like owing anybody favors.


Favors are not debts to be repaid. If somebody expects return on favors, they are not really favors.

My sister's pretty bad about that shit. If she helps you out on something, you never hear the end of it.

I ask for help when I need it, I just don't like owing anybody favors.


Favors are not debts to be repaid. If somebody expects return on favors, they are not really favors.

My sister's pretty bad about that shit. If she helps you out on something, you never hear the end of it.


I'm not like that I never ask for anything in return. Actually a friend of mine still owes me $200 that he said he'd pay me back when I helped him out getting his bike fixed...but he's a great friend of mine so I just shrugged and said to hell with it. He babysits my cat sometimes lol.

now don't be a pushover 750devil.

i'll give u props 750devil because you mean what you say and act it. that's respectable.

i know a lot of women who are real "man haters" but love the attention we give them for their boobs/ass/skimpy clothes. talk about mixed signals. you don't seem to be that way and i can respect that. not sayin u hate men, but you reject some of the limitations that society tries to impress upon you, which is admirable and something i can identify with.

i've had women buy me drinks...and it's the sexiest thing on earth...

take care guys/gals...it's saturday night!!

googs

i've had women buy me drinks...and it's the sexiest thing on earth...



GOLD DIGGER!!!!!! haha!!

I'm staying inside http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'm too tired and worn out (from being sick) to go out and buy men any drinks..not to mention broke!

devil asks me for favors all the time. lol

anyways how far is wilmington from camp lejune?

i read a quote: "No well behaved woman ever made history."

so true.

googs

There is a difference between men and women, whether we like it or not...and I like to be different than guys...because I am not a guy (I smell nicer and don’t have facial hair)

That ad catered to their target market. Most women can only handle a small bike, if that. I ride a 600 but I do not have one girlfriend that could handle ANY bike. We are made differently...I don't see anything wrong with that. My girlfriends think it is humorous that I ride a bike...they make fun of me...I don't care. I ride because I enjoy being on the bike.

I also have a black jacket because that was the only one that I could find to fit me (Shift-men's) If the pink icon fit me I would wear it...I would wear a baby blue one – if it protected me…who cares what color it is.

What is wrong with liking female things and colors? It is all a gender stereotype but they exist because the majority of women like pretty things, don't ride bikes and CAN'T handle a large bike.

So...the ad catered to their target market whether we females think it is sexist or not, we are the few that ride bikes and that is just the way it goes…nothing on this earth is fair…it is life…we have to deal with it.

750devil…never said your opinion is not worthy…you are one of the few women that thinks like a guy…nothing wrong with that. You seem to identify more with the TYPICAL male stereotype that with a female, so that would put you in the minority.

Has nothing to do with being independent. I own my own company, ride bikes, and like female things…I am independent…but I agree there is a difference between the sexes…it is in our DNA and we can’t change it. Liking girly things does not mean we are needy and dependent…we are all different and trying to exist in this world.

I like girly girls

I like girly girls



You are a girly girl.....now got to your romm ya little beotch!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/trout.gif
























Yes it's njracer!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

damn you NJ, ill show you girly when I come back from Boot Camp

It is like the ad is saying that women can only handle riding something like this.



<font color="red"> Women logic... </font>

Liking the color pink is not in our DNA.

And most women can't handle a bigger bike because they have never learned to ride a motorcycle AT ALL.

It's not because they have an XX chromosome combination.

*Sigh*

Here's what I do when my wife gets all rowdy........

http://tinypic.com/jzjwc0.jpg

Hehehehehe

That whole woman beating joke gets really old.

Yea. That's what my wife says too.
I only do it to her to irk her.
Hrmm it's usually followed by 6 months of no sex. I wonder if there's a link?
Have to explore that possibility, I might.

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Hi all Sorry 4 droping in like this http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
But to cut a long story Short http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
We all Bleed red
We Need Wemon as well as Men 2 keep nature at a stedy Balance http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif
For instance our Children need A Female as well as Male roll Modles
U see we all take things 4 granted untill we loose them and then we no the real story http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif
So lets all enjoy what life has to offer us,and live each day to its fullest http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif
Ill not pass this way again un invited http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif
Cheers all Peter Australia Male http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif +61407431222 http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif Nothing to hide

frequency of sex declines after marriage. if that's not a depressing prospect...i donno what is.

googs

And for the record I dropped my bike one in the parking lot (the old 04 that was stolen) and I did pick it back up by myself.



Most women would have left their bike laying, and gotten help. Another point I though of is that with something like a 250 Rebel, the center of gravity is lower. This makes it easier to hold up, and also a lot easier to pick up when it falls.
I'm sure it took a good straining, as I've had to do it myself and it sucks!!! I'm about average size, at about 180lbs, and the couple times I've dropped a bike, I wished somebody was there to help...but was also glad, or they'd have seen me drop the bike. Still yet, it felt like my intestines were about to have an "out of body" experience.



Well I had dropped it before and someone was there to help me pick it up but I don't know if I could have by myself.

The second time I was so mad I was yelling to be left alone when someone asked if I needed help.

I guess there was so much adrenaline at the time because I picked it up on the first try and don't remember it being that heavy http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Or maybe I'm just a man http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

If I wasn't in love or married or both, I'd play with your tits. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

hey blitzer, delete some pms, i tried ot send ya one, but it says ur full or some shit

hey blitzer, delete some pms, i tried ot send ya one, but it says ur full or some shit

Okie dokie

And for the record I dropped my bike one in the parking lot (the old 04 that was stolen) and I did pick it back up by myself.



Most women would have left their bike laying, and gotten help. Another point I though of is that with something like a 250 Rebel, the center of gravity is lower. This makes it easier to hold up, and also a lot easier to pick up when it falls.
I'm sure it took a good straining, as I've had to do it myself and it sucks!!! I'm about average size, at about 180lbs, and the couple times I've dropped a bike, I wished somebody was there to help...but was also glad, or they'd have seen me drop the bike. Still yet, it felt like my intestines were about to have an "out of body" experience.



Well I had dropped it before and someone was there to help me pick it up but I don't know if I could have by myself.

The second time I was so mad I was yelling to be left alone when someone asked if I needed help.

I guess there was so much adrenaline at the time because I picked it up on the first try and don't remember it being that heavy http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Or maybe I'm just a man http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

If I wasn't in love or married or both, I'd play with your tits. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif



bullshit you were in J-ville not too long ago and never even tried to hang out http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif

And for the record I dropped my bike one in the parking lot (the old 04 that was stolen) and I did pick it back up by myself.



Most women would have left their bike laying, and gotten help. Another point I though of is that with something like a 250 Rebel, the center of gravity is lower. This makes it easier to hold up, and also a lot easier to pick up when it falls.
I'm sure it took a good straining, as I've had to do it myself and it sucks!!! I'm about average size, at about 180lbs, and the couple times I've dropped a bike, I wished somebody was there to help...but was also glad, or they'd have seen me drop the bike. Still yet, it felt like my intestines were about to have an "out of body" experience.



Well I had dropped it before and someone was there to help me pick it up but I don't know if I could have by myself.

The second time I was so mad I was yelling to be left alone when someone asked if I needed help.

I guess there was so much adrenaline at the time because I picked it up on the first try and don't remember it being that heavy http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Or maybe I'm just a man http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

If I wasn't in love or married or both, I'd play with your tits. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif



bullshit you were in J-ville not too long ago and never even tried to hang out http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif

Oh shut the fuck up, Mel. You know thats a load of horse shit. I gave you my number and said that I had no transportation from Camp Suck-my-Johnson down to Wilmington or whatever but I'd like to hang out. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

who ever is sexist is a pussy! who doesnt like a woman who knows what shes doing..fucking retards. If guys are being sexest, u just need to show em up. and then laff in there face.

Thanks Nate http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gif

"porn tits" http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif or so I've been told..but they're REAL http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



Porn Tits! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif That's almost insulting! Far too fine to be compared to some trollip in the porn biz.

porn tits in the way that they are the same size/shape and perky

actually I've been asked if they were fake before. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

I'm not gonna get any work done now.

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif work what's that

Work is everything I didn't get done today because you had my mind wandering!

The ad kinda made me gag a little. I though it was so obvious that it was demeaning.They could have done a better job of promoting to their target without being demeaning .
Worse is that early reviews indicate the bike is a POS. So they may dupe unsuspecting beginers into an unpleasant experience. There are much better beginner bikes out there

devil asks me for favors all the time. lol

anyways how far is wilmington from camp lejune?



bout 40 minutes.

I'm sick of the whole sexist, erogant thing with the guys. When i went to look at the 06 600's at a nearby dealership, i caught so much shit from the dealers, i got pissed and left. It fucked my whole day up. I road there on my SV650 and they all scoffed at me when i walked in. I went and sat on the new 600 and got on my cell to ask my buddy if i should go ahead and get it. I was interrupted by the youngest, cockiest asshole in the place. He said, "ummm, you think you can handle something like this?". I didn't even answer him, i rolled my eyes and went on talking to my friend. Then i got interrupted again with, "did you just come here to fuck with us?" THAT was the LAST STRAW. I said, "No, i came here to buy a bike, but i just changed my mind." I'm sick of that. What do girls have to do to get some friggin' respect?!

I'm sick of the whole sexist, erogant thing with the guys. When i went to look at the 06 600's at a nearby dealership, i caught so much shit from the dealers, i got pissed and left. It fucked my whole day up. I road there on my SV650 and they all scoffed at me when i walked in. I went and sat on the new 600 and got on my cell to ask my buddy if i should go ahead and get it. I was interrupted by the youngest, cockiest asshole in the place. He said, "ummm, you think you can handle something like this?". I didn't even answer him, i rolled my eyes and went on talking to my friend. Then i got interrupted again with, "did you just come here to fuck with us?" THAT was the LAST STRAW. I said, "No, i came here to buy a bike, but i just changed my mind." I'm sick of that. What do girls have to do to get some friggin' respect?!

Yes I know I am bringing this thread back from the grave, although this is one of the most awesome stories I have heard in a while. BIG props to you for doing that. I completely agree that a woman should be able to be herself, make her own decisions by herself, and be able to stand up for herself when they are being put down. All I have to say about your experience 06GixxerChick is, FUCK YEAH and I hope that salesman rots! :cheers

frequency of sex declines after marriage. if that's not a depressing prospect...i donno what is.

googs

Interesting...and the statistics I have found say opposite.

Oh..and if you think guys always get respect, you're living in a dream world.

Walk in the dealership with a set of leathers...and worn down knee pucks. Then see what they say.

i think they shouldn't have said beside you instead of behind you. how often do u see men on teh back of another man riding...i little sexist in my mind also. and i'm a guy, lol. my wife learned on a R6. she had no problem. with the right training, noone should have a problem.

Yeah, I don't think that's sexist at all. If you want sexist, check out the back of the British Bike mags.

That's different johncal. Porn and riding ability are two totally different arenas ;)

actually porn and RIDING ability go hand in hand:rolleyes

Most women would have left their bike laying, and gotten help. Another point I though of is that with something like a 250 Rebel, the center of gravity is lower. This makes it easier to hold up, and also a lot easier to pick up when it falls.
I'm sure it took a good straining, as I've had to do it myself and it sucks!!! I'm about average size, at about 180lbs, and the couple times I've dropped a bike, I wished somebody was there to help...but was also glad, or they'd have seen me drop the bike. Still yet, it felt like my intestines were about to have an "out of body" experience.

That's cause you did it wrong... :biggrin I've seen a skinny weak 72 year old man pick up a goldwing by himself before... It's all about the leverage you effort on the bike. Pull the bar to the inside, get your ass on the tank and use your legs to lift it... Even the weakest person can stand a bike up like that.

Omg... my hubby just got his new Cycle World magazine... and he pointed out an ad on the last page to me ( he just loves getting me fired up..lol). It was an ad for a new motorcycle company, Vento. It has a woman riding a bike and has a quote of "I want to ride beside you.. not behind you." The problem I have with this is this bike has only 24 hp and a top speed of 85 mph. It is like the ad is saying that women can only handle riding something like this. So that got my attitude up and I wrote an email to the people at Vento and Cycle World explaining my feeling on this type of advertising. Vento emailed me back and I wanted to share with my fellow female riders the email....

Dawn:

Thank you for your email.

Your opinion is welcome and in any way we try to degraded women's.

Maybe you are an expericed rider for many years but there is a lot of woman's that don't have a motorcycle and they don't want to spend a fortune on buying one.

This motorcycle is an entry level 250cc for young riders or women's because it is not as powerful as your motorcycle and is a very light and easy to handle vehicle.

Again thank you for your opinion

Vento Motorcycles





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From: Dawn Bauer [mailto:eey1971@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:19 PM
To: info@vento.com
Subject: Degrading advertisement




I just saw your ad in the new Cycle World magazine. It is the one on the back cover with a picture of a woman rider with the qutoe "I want to ride beside you... not behind you." First of all, I feel this ad is degrading to women based on the fact that this bike has no horsepower and top speed is only 85 mph. Do you believe that women can only handle 24 hp??? or speeds less than 85 mph???

If a person riding this bike with anyone else on a "real bike", they will be left in the wind...

I am a woman rider... and my first motorcycle had 3 times the horsepower than this particular bike and guess what I could handle it....

I don't beleive you should target this bike to women only or you may find yourself lacking buyers due to the degrading message you are portraying.

Thank you
Dawn




So what do ya'll think about this?????


What do i think? I think that you should go get me a beer, and make me a fucking sandwich women..........now


:lol :lol

btw, i am gonna show the add to my girl and she what she says...........she is all about womens rights and stuff, i normally dont listen to her :D

actually porn and RIDING ability go hand in hand:rolleyes

Now that's funny:biggrin

So, now that you women are done bitching, go cook some fuggin' dinner!

Where's that rat poison....

YYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!!
There are actually people with more "issues" than me!:wtf :drool