Here are a few pictures of the bike torn apart and getting ready to be boosted. This is all we have gotten so far. The header and turbo should be mounted up and finished today. That will be a big milestone.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/Logan6988/MVC-573S.jpg
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http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/Logan6988/MVC-576S.jpg

Now, a few questions so we can move along.

Which way does the coolant run on the bike? From the right side of it (if your sitting on it) to the left? It looks that way me.

Do we need to keep the emission junk on top of the head or can we block it off?

Do we need to use braided line for the oil feed or will silicon high temp/high pressure hose work. Its designed for coolant so I thought it might work for oil also.

Thanks guys and we will keep updating the thread with pictures.

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Braided SS lines only for oil feed/ return lines. Use silicon your asking for trouble. Any turbo car i've owned i've had Braided SS lines better safe than sorry.

Why do you need to know about the coolant flow? You don't need to run the coolant through the turbo on a motorcycle. Just block it off or leave it disconnected.
braided ss line for the feed because it will be routing up by the header. I have braided line from block to hardline routed around the header and into the turbo. You can use good silicone line for the return as it will be coming out of the bottom of the turbo and into the oil pan. It will not be routed by any thing really hot.

Why do you need to know about the coolant flow? You don't need to run the coolant through the turbo on a motorcycle. Just block it off or leave it disconnected.




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are you sure? it wont overheat? damn sounds better and better for me to try this now...

The coolant feed TO the engine will be the lower radiator hose. The upper hose is the HOT return. If you can figure out how to get coolant to your turbo, DO IT. One of the drawbacks of turbos is that it heats up the air going into the engine. Cooler is better.

The only turbo I've put my hands on was a custom built unit. It had refrigerant coils around the induction side and the oiler line was wrapped with them. Internally, it was oil cooled and the shell of the induction side sayed cool to the touch. The exhaust side had vains on it to remove heat. It was pretty nice. They guy said the belt driven compressor only took about 3HP to run. I asked him why not just run a supercharger. He said "because high rise hoods look like shit".

So let me get this strait. You have only had your hands on one turbo in your life and it was a belt drivin turbo? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif If it is belt drivin it is a super charger.
I guess you better call barry henson, dennis clanton, joe hahn, rob muzzy and all the others out their making turbo kits for street bikes and tell them they need to start running water to their turbos.
If you don't know shit about turbos don't be telling others how to install them.
Turbos on street bikes do not get as hot as turbos in cars. You don't need to run water to it to cool it.

Turbos on street bikes do not get as hot as turbos in cars. You don't need to run water to it to cool it.



is this true for all turbos or just some of the more popular ones being run?

PS: chuckster that thing you were talking about is called a centrifugal supercharger NOT a turbocharger by any means.

well I don't have a water line running to the turbo on my veloctiy stage 2 and of the hundreds of turbo bikes I have seen I have only seen one with water ran to it and he said he did it just for the heck of it.
So you can run water to it if you want to. It won't hurt anything, but you don't NEED to.

I think the water is a good idea . I agree its not real nessasary though . I am going to run coolant through my GT28R . Not sure how yet , either t into the motor coolant and use a restricter so flow is controlled to the turbo or plumb in with my intercooler . Either way should help cool the center section to be easier on the oil and bearings . Should keep a bit of the heat out of the comprssor housing as a bonus . I picked up a pair of banjo fittings for the water shown in the pic .

Dave
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d135/dgowland/gt28r.jpg

Have fun man! I'll be doing my 600 next winter http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. I HATE having these parts laying around though in the mean time. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif

Hey guys thanks a LOT for the answers. One problem though, I have a td04-13g turbo off of a WRX and its got coolant lines running to it stock. You guys are saying I dont have to run them because it wont get as hot? If thats the case that is awesome.

im kinda iffy on that...I have a T-25 turbo I have and mabye one day putting it on the K3. It has coolent lines so I might hook them up anyway.

All turbos have the hookups for water on them.
My turbo has the threaded holes in it to hook the water up to it to. I just leave it disconnected. No water lines hooked up to it.

good luck on turboing your bike.

I think I will connect them anyway. Some coolant would be better than none correct? So far we have the manifold made, the uppipe to the intake manifold, and the exhaust almost done. Anyone know where you can get turbo lines and that sort of stuff? Its coming along great so far, Im so excited lol. It looks just awesome with the turbo hanging there.

i want to see some video when your done!!
that is some crazy stuff. good luck. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gif

I think I will connect them anyway. Some coolant would be better than none correct? So far we have the manifold made, the uppipe to the intake manifold, and the exhaust almost done. Anyone know where you can get turbo lines and that sort of stuff? Its coming along great so far, Im so excited lol. It looks just awesome with the turbo hanging there.



I have bought a few things from http://www.atpturbo.com/ . Treated me good , parts where good quality and shipped quick .

Dave

turbo lines?
Do you need fuel lines, vacum hoses, silicon couplers to hold you piping together?

I put water through mine, It doesn't matter which way it runs. I put a tee fitting in each of the main hoses to and from the radiator, one on the right and one on the left. simple pluming.
If the thermostat is removed water temp can be reduced from around 180 to 130 which in turn can drastically reduce the temp of the air leaving the compresser.....Fuel maps will need to be adjusted accordingly.

Oh I am definately going to make a video of it. We are already planning that haha. We are going to put water through it too just for the hell of it. Ill get some pictures possibly tonight or tomorrow and show you all our progress. Were getting together all of the little odds and ends right now. I have all of the couplers and vacuum hoses and stuff, were just looking for the lines that run to the turbo. Napa didnt have any metric bolts or anything, so they were no help???? I thought for sure they would have it. Ill keep you all updated.

Ask anybody in town that does alot of custom race car work they should be able to tell you where to go. Or maybee go to a hot rod shop that sells alot of aftermarket parts, nitrous stuff, and has a dyno. Ask them where you can go in town to get some fuel, brake, or oil lines made.
Their are two place in town that I can go to for all of my oil, water, nitrous, brake, and fuel lines. Fluid connector and andys supply. They can also custom make lines to any of my specifications. They also carry earls aluminium fittings, stainless, and brass fittings for all of your hoses.

Ok, we finihed the lines. Now onto the airbox... that should be done by tonight. I always forget my camera. Ill try my best to remember tonight lol. Ill keep you all updated, and thats for the help so far everyone.

So we got it done…..but we got some problems?? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif?? The first time we turned it on the oil pressure light came on. I plugged the emissions thing back in (that i perversely unplugged) then the oil light turned off. Then we turned it on again, and oil was coming out of the exhaust pipe????? Some people said that I had too much oil pressure going to the turbo and that the oil was pushing through the turbo???? Others said that there might be a too much crankcase pressure and that I would need to get an oil pump and reroute my oil return, which is level with the turbo??? So if you guys could give me any direction, it would be great help. Thanks Logan.

Do you have a restricter in the oil feed line to the turbo ? Should likely be a .035 restricter in the line http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/mercha...egory_Code=GTBB (http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-OIL-021&Category_Code=GTBB) . How big is the line diameter to the oil feed ? Got a pic showing how high the turbo is mounted ?

Dave

well I did restricted the oil feed, but the hole was not as small as the one on the pic that you have posted. I don’t have any pics right now but the turbo is kinda low and the oil return hole on the turbo is the same height as the bottom of the oil pan (where I taped into)

sounds like the turbo is mounted too low. If your oil level is above the turbo oil will come out the turbo.

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Well is there any other solution than to make a new header b/c I spent a lot of time making this one. Is there some kind of pump that could get the oil out of the turbo and back into the engine without any interrupted flow?

I hear people recommending inline oil pumps to do what we think we need to do. The oil return line is equal with the bottom of the oil pan. We tapped the hole on the bottom of the pan because we had no where else to do it. So, anyone know where to find inline oil pumps to pump the oil back into the pan?

well your turbo needs to be higher then your oil level. So if you have oil in the bike the level or the oil can not be higher then the turbo or oil will come out the turbo.
MC express makes a really nice billit oil pump that just threads into the end of the crank and the plug that goes over the end of the crank. It is around $500 though. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

OUCH!! 500?!?! Any other suggestions?

I am sure their are other pumps that can be made or bought for alot less then $500. This is just the only one I have seen guys using when running huge turbos so they have to mount them lower for them to clear.
I can run over 4.75 quarts in my 03 1000 before it starts to smoke out the turbo.

Here is one version.
http://tinyurl.com/d59vp

Thats perfect.. but $210, my god. That better be pure silver on the sides lol. Give my bike some BLING! I guess there is no other solution though? Any other cheaper recomendations?

well your turbo needs to be higher then your oil level. So if you have oil in the bike the level or the oil can not be higher then the turbo or oil will come out the turbo.
MC express makes a really nice billit oil pump that just threads into the end of the crank and the plug that goes over the end of the crank. It is around $500 though. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif



Best Solution but don't know if it will Work on your bike it was made for the Hayabusa Crank cover Hole/

http://www.busafied.com/dbox.jpg

Gary's link is a good pump, I had another brand and used it for a little while but did NOT like the idea of it, so I went Mech MCXpress setup/

http://busafied.com/boostafied/sump.jpg

as to your Silicone return line, did I see that correctly?

DO NOT USE SILICONE for your return, the oil comming out of the Turbo drain is HOT, and it will baloon and bust, ask me how I know/

Use the High temp like in the picture above, local Hydraulic Shop has plenty of it for you~

Some people have been saying that I can just use any fluid pump that has a low psi rating. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif Is this nonsense or can I actually just use any fluid pump that would hold up to the heat.

I also wanted to know if anyone had any other pumps to show me, once I get this stupid thing I can go and get the junk tuned. thanks

Logan you need to run a pump that can handle high heat, the oil comming out of the Turbo is HOT.
I measured the oil temp comming out of my turbo once, it leveled out around 210* or so..

Get a pump with Viton (high heat/corrosive fluids resistive) diaphram and you'll be covered/
The one in the picture (Tilton Rear Differential Circulation Pump used in Road race cars) has a Viton Diaphram/ and has 4' head capability, meaning you can mount it anywhere on the bike...

Do it right so you can enjoy the bike.

2 choices, buy the right pump, or raise the turbo~

GL,
Ron

yea your right, thanks http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

Hey Logan;
I ended up not using a scavenge pump but I have lined up a pump from a 2 stroke oil injection system. Coupled to a 12 volt low rpm motor it pulled oil 2.5 feet up to a container on the bench. Pumped plenty fast enough but had not determined if it would handle the heat.
Components going this direction only cost me around $30.00. I'm not certain but I don't think there is a diaphram in these type pumps they are all metal like the engine's oil pump.

MLake, awesome. Where did you find the pump?

I own a small repair shop and have quite a few old parts bikes. You pay for shipping and I'd be glad to send you one out for free just to help you out and see if this would be a proper alternative to a $500 dollar pump. almost all of the 2-stroke dirt or street and trail bikes have very small oil injection pumps. We should make sure they can handle 200 degree oil temps though before we go to the trouble. I think I have one here at home, I'll pull it apart and see if it's all metal or not. Call me at work today and I'll get your address. If you get that damned answering service leave your phone # and I'll call you back! 304-366-1750 L+R Racing

Wow, thanks a lot. I will try and give you a call tomorrow.

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bash.gif i feel ilke you beat me to the puch, i have the same thing in the works for my 04 750. i was wonder what the damage was for the turbo,

What do you mean? How much did the turbo cost or is it broken because of the oil coming out? Oh by the way, I went ahead and bought that $210 scavenge pump from that website. I hope that works out well. What power source should be used to hook that up? I was thinking something with a constant power, mabye the headlights? Still thinking about that one though.

What do you mean? How much did the turbo cost or is it broken because of the oil coming out? Oh by the way, I went ahead and bought that $210 scavenge pump from that website. I hope that works out well. What power source should be used to hook that up? I was thinking something with a constant power, mabye the headlights? Still thinking about that one though.



Use a Relay ro run the Sump~ Get the Relay from the Autoparts store

Run a New Fused (rated for load) Hot Wire from the battery, through the Relay, then to the Sump.
Ground the Sump Pump to the Frame, or the battery ( I ran it to the frame) but you can run it to the battery.
.Use a hot that comes on with the Ignition (accessory fuse in fuse block if you have one), to turn the Relay on when you turn on the ignition.

You do not want to run the sump off your wiring harness.

thanks, ill do that.

Ok guys, quick question here. What do we do with this line coming from the crankcase?? Heres a pic of it we had. The rest of the line goes down in-between the engine and transmission. It was originally hooked to the stock airbox.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/Logan6988/Crankcaselinepic.jpg

Thanks guys.

leave it there. just dont put a filter on it because if you do it could cause the bike to smoke.

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif leave it there? what does that mean? are you saying to put it in the air box or just leave it there hanging?

Leave it as shown in the picture (Open to atmosphere). Just don't pinch it closed when you put the tank down.

yep. thanks gary

ok i guess, but doesn't oil come out of it? and if it doesn't, why would you not plop a filter on it. thanks guys.

gary can go more into deep of why but oil doesnt come out of it. well a little might if that tube isnt left on. its goood to leave the tube on just incase some does try to come out that way it has that whole tube to go up. as far as why not to have a filter on it is becuase there is pressure there. you dont want a restriction there or you will burn oil becuase of the pressure trying to get out somewhere.

The crankcase vent originally connected to the airbox so any fumes would be recirculated for emissons purposes. With a pressurized airbox that isn't going to work anymore so it is left open to atmosphere for venting. You don't want to add a filter because it could cause a slightly pressure build up in the crankcase which will make turbo oil draining more difficult.

ok, i got it. so thats one more thing that i dont have to worry about. so im going home this weekend http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/icon_rant.gif, well let me start from the beginning..... I started this project at the beginning of Christmas break. Then it ended and I had to go back to school and the bike was almost done. Now I’m going back this weekend to try and get it all done and dynoed. I hope that it all gets done. I know that I have been promising pics and not taking any, so this weekend im going to take some pics with my new shinny camera. So thanks a lot guys for all the help. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif