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RedGixx85
10-20-2005, 07:40 PM
OKay..im just trying to learn to get a wheelie going..
I am tryiing the Power Up in first!
I go to about 6K kinda hard let go Hit about 1/2 to 2/3 throttle and it goes up about 4 feet but comes back down not hard.. But no distance.
I Have read that maybe I should be NAILING it all the way after i let off and let it compress. but im scared it will go right over.. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gifAm I being parnoid. Can a 600 go right over b4 i know what happened? I know i have to work on my throttle . im just getting used to the feeling of it going up still http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Its scary http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Thanks in advance ~Justin~

GixZag
10-20-2005, 09:39 PM
Yes even a 600 will loop out quite fast. Take your time. Baby steps first If you rush you WILL fall. Hell even if you take your time you might fall shit happens.
When you get the front to lift try to practice using the throttle to keep it there. I say again DON"T RUSH it will come
Also cover that rear brake you start to feel like your going over get on it. It will bring you right back down. Don't slam on it or you might just come slaming down and still drop your bike.

Practice Practice Practice!!

BryanGSXR600
10-20-2005, 10:16 PM
yea its definitley freaky. just take it easy. you'll eventually get it.

GSXR 600 Matt
10-25-2005, 01:53 PM
i'm also learning to wheelie right now, and to be honest i don't like learning in first, its to jumpy for me. I'm clutching it up in 2nd tryn to learn to hit the balance point and ride it out there.

gimpsta
10-26-2005, 01:43 PM
i first learned boucing 2nd up or for slower ones, clutching 1st about 20ish mph. nice and smooth. she's not that crazy till about 40mph.

gixxerjoe04
10-26-2005, 04:27 PM
OKay..im just trying to learn to get a wheelie going..
I am tryiing the Power Up in first!
I go to about 6K kinda hard let go Hit about 1/2 to 2/3 throttle and it goes up about 4 feet but comes back down not hard.. But no distance.
I Have read that maybe I should be NAILING it all the way after i let off and let it compress. but im scared it will go right over.. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gifAm I being parnoid. Can a 600 go right over b4 i know what happened? I know i have to work on my throttle . im just getting used to the feeling of it going up still http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Its scary http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Thanks in advance ~Justin~



get it to 8-9k rpms then off and on the throttle fast and itll pop right up, quicker the twist the higher it'll get up b4 u let off and start feathering it, be careful

05oaklandGSXR600
10-27-2005, 04:48 AM
(Sit Downs)
Shit.. i know when i first started (still new) i was preloading in 1st. It took me a few days befor i started clutching But in due time you will get hight just try for now to bring it up and hold it while at a low wheelie. when you do this your speed will increase rapidly but you will get the hang of it.

Then start bringing it up higher (BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER TO COVER THE BACK BRAKE) and hold the thottle. after that try cluching but don't cllutch right off in 1st start in 3rd to get a feel then in second this is where the bike will rise some.

Once you feel fine try 1st... In first I use only my pointer finger for the clutch and i started lifting at about 25mph.... After i got better i now lift at 10mph.

When you come up if you can see thought your windscreen your low. You need to be looking through the space where your forks are to be at or around your point... After time your will be looking off to the side of your bike or praticing stand ups.

zulubreed33
11-01-2005, 03:30 AM
what up east Oaktown? My boy is a sniper with opd. He's still hood.

MustangThief
12-01-2005, 06:22 AM
I would advise against first gear power wheelies... i've almost looped twice from first gear power wheelies and i have a buddy on a new cbr 600 who did loop learning wheelies in first gear from powering it up...

Power wheelies are unpredictable and dangerous, after they get over the hump they like to come up REAL fast and shakey...

Learn to clutch it... you won't regret it...
Clutch is reliable, and puts the front tire where you want it everytime...

I can clutch first gear up to bp anywhere from 5mph to 40mph...

2nd gear i don't even do sit-downs... it feels too akward and feels like it's gonna loop... so if i'm not in first gear... i'm standing up.

bartona_500
12-05-2005, 02:30 AM
i dont do first gear wheelies, for some reason im scared to death of first gear...

i have an 04 600 and i learned wheelies in 2nd gear with the clutch standing up. i figured if i took my time..and learned how to do those correctly, i wouldnt have wasted a lot of time learning sit downs in first gear just to move on to sit downs in 2nd gear and eventually stand ups in 2nd.


so, since its easier for me to cover the brake standing up, and the bike is way less jumpy, and a little less likely to loop in 2nd, i recommend learning them this way. just do like everyone says and take your time. it may feel like its taking forever to learn them but a month later you'll be walking the back wheel a quarter mile no problem..

i just passed the 1 mile mark saturday. felt good.

gixxerjoe04
12-05-2005, 04:35 PM
do u all have oil pick-ups so when u do long wheelies?

chrisOH
12-05-2005, 11:40 PM
If he is getting it up to 4ft all ready, he doesn't need to know how to get it up. Just needs to learn how to back off the throttle just enough to stop the front from continuing up and over.

MustangThief
12-06-2005, 06:26 AM
I don't have an extended oil pickup yet... but i'm definitely planning on ordering one this winter...

I don't think anyone should be afraid of first gear.. I've mastered the throttle of my bike to where I can stand up at 5mph in first gear and power it up to BP by 15mph and play with it and stand/sit combo all i want...

I think wheelies are just another form of mastering your bike.. knowing it's limits and KNOWING what it will do when you crack that throttle...

Learning to master each gear with the front wheel up is a good feeling.. i know what will happen when I decide to mess around... you shouldn't ever be wondering what will happen or hoping you don't loop...

If you're not at the point where you can ride a 3+ mile wheelie i'd say don't even try wheelies on public streets... not worth it.

Upside
12-06-2005, 12:25 PM
I don't have an extended oil pickup yet... but i'm definitely planning on ordering one this winter...

I don't think anyone should be afraid of first gear.. I've mastered the throttle of my bike to where I can stand up at 5mph in first gear and power it up to BP by 15mph and play with it and stand/sit combo all i want...

I think wheelies are just another form of mastering your bike.. knowing it's limits and KNOWING what it will do when you crack that throttle...

Learning to master each gear with the front wheel up is a good feeling.. i know what will happen when I decide to mess around... you shouldn't ever be wondering what will happen or hoping you don't loop...

If you're not at the point where you can ride a 3+ mile wheelie i'd say don't even try wheelies on public streets... not worth it.



ahh i enjoy reading your posts... such a poet http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

gimpsta
12-06-2005, 01:16 PM
whats 3+ miles have to do with it. After you can start to hold even a 1mile or less, its the same ole thing. just sit there and play with the throttle flirtering with the BP.

now steering is something that some people get quick, and other just don't ever get.

MustangThief
12-07-2005, 01:20 PM
Na it's not the same Gimpsta... I was doing mile wheelies before I really even learned how to master balance point... riding a wheelie as long as you want and being able to ride a mile wheelie is a different stage of wheelies..

Every single time my bike goes up i know I can ride the wheelie for as long as I want... before I could do that I could pull out mile long wheelies but i'd speed up and re-balance it... it wasn't until I found that dipping past BP you can go as long as you want...

Flirting with balance point and mastering balance point is the difference between a mile wheelie and wheeling until my arm gives out...

Balance point is my bitch.

Upside
12-07-2005, 01:59 PM
and thats that .... bitch.

gimpsta
12-07-2005, 04:19 PM
haha to each his own dude. for you, you sped up while going a mile, I was slow the BP I admit, but I was steady once up there and would go past it just to ever so slightly slow her down. Once again these were my 65mph 3rd gear ones on a 600. But when you move to an area where the new group you ride with doesn't do wheelies, you sort of stop doing them yourself as well, and just move to cornering.

MustangThief
12-08-2005, 10:46 AM
Heh well, we ride with about 15-20 different people... and 3 of us do nasty wheelies... now 2 of us... cuz UpsideDownGix was the 3rd and his bitch ass moved to Toledo so he's an hour and a half away so i doubt next summer he'll be around to bust wheelies that much

There's a few other guys around here who can bust some nice wheelies but we don't ride with them all that often... few times a year maybe

truarchangel
12-15-2005, 01:02 AM
OKay..im just trying to learn to get a wheelie going..
I am tryiing the Power Up in first!
I go to about 6K kinda hard let go Hit about 1/2 to 2/3 throttle and it goes up about 4 feet but comes back down not hard.. But no distance.
I Have read that maybe I should be NAILING it all the way after i let off and let it compress. but im scared it will go right over.. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gifAm I being parnoid. Can a 600 go right over b4 i know what happened? I know i have to work on my throttle . im just getting used to the feeling of it going up still http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Its scary http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Thanks in advance ~Justin~



When I did this I lost my MP3 player lol

OddJob_585
12-16-2005, 01:49 AM
forget the throttle wheelies and clutch it...yea its kinda scary and it sometimes isnt as smooth as gassin it up but u can take baby steps when clutching it. heres what i did (well still doing) I learned to clutch it up in 1st (really scary since the front end SHOOTS up in 1st) and now Im always in 2nd trying to stay in BP and learn the rear brake and ive been trying to give 3rd a try on my F4i but no such luck tho I kno it is possible.

SouthFLg6
12-16-2005, 04:02 PM
how many fingers do you guys put on the clutch .. and if im going like 30 in 2nd... what should you rev it up to and then just let the clutch off?

Uncle Shittypants
12-17-2005, 04:23 AM
go to about 6k in 2nd, pull the clutch in and give her a rip.

fuckin i use 2 fingers on the clutch as it dont feel right if i only use 1

MustangThief
12-17-2005, 05:17 PM
I always only use 1 finger..

and I'm the best...

So 1 finger is optimal.

In me, you must trust.

Uncle Shittypants
12-17-2005, 05:30 PM
yah if i could use only 1, id do it, i just cant tho, lol

gimpsta
12-18-2005, 12:37 PM
i like two

its the same thing with 1 or two. its all what your used to


what fingers do you all use on your brake side?
I use my pinkie, ring, middle finger. I make a circle around the throttle with my thumb and index. Most do it opposite. Its what you get used to.

SouthFLg6
12-18-2005, 03:44 PM
usually just 2-3 fingers on the brake unless im on it hard... but sometimes i mess around with it.. and do what you just said.. and make like a circle around it with my thumb on the throttle and the rest around the brake.. its weird

ziptie-pimp
12-20-2005, 06:10 AM
OKay..im just trying to learn to get a wheelie going..
I am tryiing the Power Up in first!
I go to about 6K kinda hard let go Hit about 1/2 to 2/3 throttle and it goes up about 4 feet but comes back down not hard.. But no distance.
I Have read that maybe I should be NAILING it all the way after i let off and let it compress. but im scared it will go right over.. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gifAm I being parnoid. Can a 600 go right over b4 i know what happened? I know i have to work on my throttle . im just getting used to the feeling of it going up still http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Its scary http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Thanks in advance ~Justin~


WELL... i will tell u this ..u can, and probly will loop out if u have not been riding that long and u nail it in first! power wheelies in first are not safe if u aint been on a motorcycle long. and i would not say that to try the same thing in second gear is a good idea either.?have you ever rode out a good wheelie on a for wheeler? or a dirt bike ??if not i suggesst u go and buy one they are for the most part cheap and easy to fix and trust me hittin the dirt or the grass is a lot easyer on ure ass then the highway! if u do have sum expiriance ridin wheelies and ure just movin on up then i woud say clutch up a first gear job start out rollin about five or ten mph run ure shit up about six grand and let the clutch out ....like everyone else has said frkin baby steps is the way to go ...gota crawl before u walk!! but i would start out in first ..mabe even five grand and just geta good idea of how the bike responds to letting the clutch out quik..oh ya and have youre back brake coverd allways !!! what i do every time i pull the wheel up just out of habit is get rolling and hit the back brakes enuff to feel the bike slow down a bit, this will make sure u not only have the brake coverd but allso gives u a feel of how hard u gota hit them if u do! nowa days i just go from dead stop to staight up bout nine grand let the clutch straight out an steep on the brakes but things take time! for now just start out rolling about ten mph this will keep u up right and make things less scketchy..start out with low rpms and then slowly move up !! any way i hope this helps! i never wuz a good teacher? but just remember take time and go slow!!..............in time everything good cumz!!.......GOOD LUCK BRO !!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif

doomass1
12-25-2005, 03:04 PM
I likje clutching ,pow pow ,and bounce.But I think the safest is the clutch and smoothest.

OddJob_585
12-25-2005, 04:40 PM
1st is scary as hell it shoots right up clutching it. But what i did was learn to be able to bring it up in 1st consistently and then moved onto 2nd to learn BP and brake control 2nd is so much smoother.