Why some of you guys, don't use clutch? doesn't it damage the engine or gearbox? I didn't knew that you can shift without using cluth in Bike, I never had the Idea that clutchless shifting was possible in car too. What's the idea about this?

No-clutch gear changes up the gearbox - 1-2-3-4-5-6 are really, really easy, here is a quick "how to".....

Accelerate as per normal, and just before you want to change, apply pressure to the shifter. Back off a minute amount, and suddenly you are in the next gear.

Its that easy.

Down the box is slightly harder, as you reach the point you want to change, back off, blip, and press all in one action, and you are suddenly in the next gear.

I rarely use the clutch going up the box, but tend to use it when I am diving down the gears. If I just drop a cog to overtake someone, I tend to not use the clutch.

In all my years of biking, I've not had a gearbox failure, or even any signs of abnormal wear on the box, nor have I had to replace the clutches as often.

Is it the same as in a car?...in which you take the RPM's to a certain point and just shift it

Originally posted by milleniunthug:
Is it the same as in a car?...in which you take the RPM's to a certain point and just shift it<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Not really, because a bike revs so much faster than a car, and because you are talking about a seqential gearbox its a whole lot easier up the box, and down the box in a car you are aided by having neutral between every gear, to help you balance the revs.

You need to try it to understand.

Originally posted by fRaGgLe:
No-clutch gear changes up the gearbox - 1-2-3-4-5-6 are really, really easy, here is a quick "how to".....

Accelerate as per normal, and just before you want to change, apply pressure to the shifter. Back off a minute amount, and suddenly you are in the next gear.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">could you explain that in more detail please?

cant comment on the bike aspect, but as far as stick shift in a car it is a good deal harder, simple going down, but not so much going up, at least on my mustang.

main thing on a car is you need to synch the RPMs with the speed of the corrisponding gear....

say I'm racing my GT... i redline first at 38, second at 70, and 3rd at just under 100....

when pulling hard, release teh gas and THEN engague the clutch... after redlining first i release the gas, pull the stick out of first, let the rpms drop to about 4.9 and start pushing down on the stick against second gear... at around 4.5 I push pretty hard and it will engague (this is a lot easier after driving for a while and the trani has warmed up)

main thing is you need to know at what RPM each gear runs at at corrisponding speeds.... it just takes time... I dont usually do it as i'm a lot faster using the clutch then waiting for the RPMs to drop. or i could get an aluminum flywheel... but you get the idea....

Torinalth

Originally posted by fRaGgLe:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by genetix:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fRaGgLe:
No-clutch gear changes up the gearbox - 1-2-3-4-5-6 are really, really easy, here is a quick "how to".....

Accelerate as per normal, and just before you want to change, apply pressure to the shifter. Back off a minute amount, and suddenly you are in the next gear.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">could you explain that in more detail please?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Its kinda hard to be more detailed, but I'll have a go.....

Assume that you are in second gear, at say 5000 revs.

Twist the throttle to accelerate.

As you are about a second from wanting to change, put you toe under the shifter, and apply upwards pressure.

You cannot shift, because the load that the gearbox is under will prevent it.

when you actually want to change, back off the throttle a tiny amount, maybe 1/16th of a turn at most.

As you do this, the load on the gearbox becomes zero, and the pressure on the shifter forces it to change gear.

you then re-apply the throttle, as you are in third gear images/icons/wink.gif

you can repeat this all the way from 1st to 6th.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And this isn't damaging? I'm a fucking clutch whore in first gear (in my car mostly, usually only in traffic on the bike), so i need all the clutch preserving techniques i can get images/icons/grin.gif

Originally posted by genetix:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fRaGgLe:
No-clutch gear changes up the gearbox - 1-2-3-4-5-6 are really, really easy, here is a quick "how to".....

Accelerate as per normal, and just before you want to change, apply pressure to the shifter. Back off a minute amount, and suddenly you are in the next gear.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">could you explain that in more detail please?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Its kinda hard to be more detailed, but I'll have a go.....

Assume that you are in second gear, at say 5000 revs.

Twist the throttle to accelerate.

As you are about a second from wanting to change, put you toe under the shifter, and apply upwards pressure.

You cannot shift, because the load that the gearbox is under will prevent it.

when you actually want to change, back off the throttle a tiny amount, maybe 1/16th of a turn at most.

As you do this, the load on the gearbox becomes zero, and the pressure on the shifter forces it to change gear.

you then re-apply the throttle, as you are in third gear images/icons/wink.gif

you can repeat this all the way from 1st to 6th.