: talk about a ballsy kid...
beanfield 10-13-2005, 01:54 AM This kid is lucky no one threw him in the alligator pit.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/4336368.stm
Youth feeds zoo rabbit to 'gator
A youth who snatched a white rabbit at a zoo and threw it into the alligator pool is being sought by police.
Customers at the Welsh Mountain Zoo in Colwyn Bay were horrified to see the tame animal still alive in the reptile's jaws before it was killed.
Zoo director Chris Jackson said staff and visitors were "sickened" by the "senseless barbarity" of the rabbit's death.
Staff detained one youth and handed him over to police, but two more got away.
The zoo has two Mississippi alligators, Albert and Nancy, both more than 30 years old and the only breeding pair of the species in Europe.
He said the youths were thought to have climbed over a wall into the zoo, which occupies 37 acres of woodland and parkland.
We're disgusted, speechless and shocked. If you spend your life working with and looking after animals, this is something you cannot conceive.
Zoo director Chris Jackson
He said: "They looked at the alligators, then went into the children's farm and looked at the rabbits.
"One of them decided that it was his sick agenda to take the rabbit. It was in a petting area, where the small children are encouraged to get close to them.
"He grabbed the rabbit and took it a distance of 20-30 yards to the alligator beach and threw it into the pool."
A visitor with his young daughter raised the alarm.
Live prey
"These youths drew attention to themselves with their remarks, which made the man and his daughter look to the pool and they saw the rabbit was in the jaws of the alligator," said Mr Jackson.
The zoo's alligator pool has an artificial "beach" with outdoor sun lamps under which the alligators can bask. It is surrounded by a 4ft (1.2m) fence. The rabbit was grabbed by the male alligator, Albert.
The alligator, who has been at the zoo for more than 20 years, is in excess of 4m long is believed to be the largest alligator in the UK.
Mr Jackson said: "The alligator quickly took the rabbit underwater. While one worries about the terror and the fear of the rabbit, its suffering would have been relatively limited."
He said Albert reacted like any alligator with live prey, drowning it first and eating it later.
In the wild, alligators feed on a variety of small animals including fish, birds and mammals.
In the zoo, Albert and Nancy feed on fish and meat, usually herring and beef.
Security at the zoo is being reviewed. The site is run by Mr Jackson and his brother, Nick, and was opened by their father in 1963.
North Wales Police said no-one had been charged but they were following some positive lines of inquiry.
Mr Jackson said: "We're disgusted, speechless and shocked. If you spend your life working with and looking after animals, this is something you cannot conceive."
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Jimmy 2 Times 10-13-2005, 02:12 AM whats wrong with that...................is the food chain
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NY750 10-13-2005, 02:23 AM whats wrong with that...................is the food chain
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In the wild, I agree. But I don't think the same holds true for domesticated animals in our care.
whats wrong with that...................is the food chain
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In the wild, I agree. But I don't think the same holds true for domesticated animals in our care.
How about all the people who feed their snakes live Mice??
Jimmy 2 Times 10-13-2005, 02:31 AM whats wrong with that...................is the food chain
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In the wild, I agree. But I don't think the same holds true for domesticated animals in our care.
How about all the people who feed their snakes live Mice??
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beanfield 10-13-2005, 02:37 AM whats wrong with that...................is the food chain
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In the wild, I agree. But I don't think the same holds true for domesticated animals in our care.
How about all the people who feed their snakes live Mice??
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I don't think mice (non pets) being fed to a snake is quite the same as throwing an animal from a petting zoo into an alligator pit in front of other kids.
Not to mention the fact that the rabbit wasn't his to throw to the alligator. He had no right to do it.
Amy269 10-13-2005, 02:50 AM mmm...I kinda do. It's still a furry little animal that if you were to take time w/ could tame. I actually think its really horrible but I guess people like snakes too so thats how they have to feed 'em. To each his own (as far as what kind of creatures you call "pets").
As far as those kids doing what they did w/ that rabbit, what makes it really bad is that there were people (including small children that can easily be traumatized) that didnt want to see such a thing and were pretty much forced to. If it were my kid I'd pull his pants down at the police station and spank him in front of everyone.
NY750 10-13-2005, 02:54 AM I couldn't have a snake for that reason.
I know there becomes a fine line between domesticated animals and animals farmed for human consumption. For me it's just a matter of heart. To see the rabbit or even hear about it is sad. Yet I can eat a hamburger with no care for the cow.
Guess i'm just a hypocrit
Sun Burn 10-13-2005, 02:57 AM whats wrong with that...................is the food chain
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In the wild, I agree. But I don't think the same holds true for domesticated animals in our care.
I have to agree with NY750 on this one. The bunny was domesticated and intended to teach children and was probably more like a pet to the zoo keepers than a food item. If the kid had thrown the zoo keepers dog in there would you say the same thing?
Amy269 10-13-2005, 02:59 AM I get what you are saying. I am a vegitarian since birth (my Dads choice but I'm used to it, cant change it now) and have never had meat, fish or chicken yet my son just got done eatin a cheeseburger.
I could never take a live creature and watch it eaten alive. That has to be the most horribly frightening and painful things to go through. *shudders* I even feel bad to know that people take live lobsters and throw them into boiling water. I guess I just figure if it is killed quickly and painlessly (head cut off or something like that) that at least it didnt suffer.
gixxerfever 10-13-2005, 03:03 AM it was a friece rabbit he had killed and feasted on warriors... for gods sake look at the fangs!!!! the bones!! the bones!! of 50 thousand man!!!
God i love that movie
whats wrong with that...................is the food chain
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In the wild, I agree. But I don't think the same holds true for domesticated animals in our care.
How about all the people who feed their snakes live Mice??
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I don't think mice (non pets) being fed to a snake is quite the same as throwing an animal from a petting zoo into an alligator pit in front of other kids.
Not to mention the fact that the rabbit wasn't his to throw to the alligator. He had no right to do it.
I'd say its pretty much the exact same thing, you put an animal that is lower on the food chain in a pen, without a means of escape for the purpose of feeding the other animal. Whether that is a mouse, or a rabbit its the same thing. Maybe the fact that people see rabbits more as a pet, cuter than mice makes it more acceptable, i'm not sure.
Now I agree that it was not their Rabbit, and they had no right to throw it in that pen. It was senseless, as the aligator was being fed well, and didn't need live animals.
gixxerfever 10-13-2005, 03:08 AM TIM: Follow. But! Follow only if ye be men of valor, for the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no man yet has fought with it and lived! Bones of full fifty men lie strewn about its lair. So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth.
ARTHUR: Where?
TIM: There!
ARTHUR: What, behind the rabbit?
TIM: It is the rabbit!
ARTHUR: You silly sod!
TIM: What?
ARTHUR: You got us all worked up!
TIM: Well, that's no ordinary rabbit.
ARTHUR: Ohh.
TIM: That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on.
ROBIN: You tit! I soiled my armor I was so scared!
TIM: Look, that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide; it's a killer!
GALAHAD: Get stuffed!
TIM: He'll do you up a treat mate!
GALAHAD: Oh, yeah?
ROBIN: You mangy scots git!
TIM: I'm warning you!
ROBIN: What's he do, nibble your bum?
TIM: He's got huge, sharp-- eh-- he can leap about-- look at the bones!
ARTHUR: Go on, Bors. Chop his head off!
BORS: Right! Silly little bleeder. One rabbit stew comin' right up!
[ Rabbit flies at Bors’s throat and savages him to death }
ROBIN: I done it again!
TIM: I warned you, but did you listen to me? Oh, no, you knew it all, didn't you? Oh, it's just a harmless little bunny, isn't it? Well, it's always the same. I always tell them--
ARTHUR: Oh, shut up!
TIM: Do they listen to me?
gixxerfever 10-13-2005, 03:08 AM it was a killer rabbit hahahahaha http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sun Burn 10-13-2005, 03:14 AM Damn Fever you got me all mixed up. Wtf are you talking about? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
gixxerfever 10-13-2005, 03:19 AM Damn Fever you got me all mixed up. Wtf are you talking about? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
the killer rabbit scene from Monty Python - the quest for the holy grail
Amy269 10-13-2005, 03:41 AM I thought it was Lord of the Rings or something http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Heard Monthy Python is hilarious.
beanfield 10-13-2005, 03:54 AM http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/rds_cards_rabbit.jpg
Blaise 10-13-2005, 04:00 AM LOL,
Some call me......Tim.
Great flick and I'm on the kid's side.
Fuck those stupid torture farms, toss the gator a real snack.
ELMERFUDD 10-14-2005, 01:39 AM 'Tis only a flesh wound
andtal 10-14-2005, 01:44 AM so you cool with a baby being thrown to a hungry lion?
after all its only about the food chain......
poacher 10-14-2005, 01:59 AM ROBIN: What's he do, nibble your bum?
Fever LOL!!!
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Amy269 10-14-2005, 02:12 AM OK, obviously the pic above is fake but whatever they got the pic of the wolf from was real and that f'er looks like hes about to kill something...
Bourgeois 10-14-2005, 04:40 PM There are some good points here. I grew up with a snake, feeding it. The alligator eating the rabbit is no big deal to me. Just as the chickens they feed them regularly. As for the kids taking the rabbit, that is wrong. For any bystanders that had to witness it, that's life, sorry. But I guess today that doesn't fly. It's just like when you watch the discovery channel and see a big cat tearing up it's prey. "That's terrible!" That's life, it happens everyday.
If the alligator ate a human baby it would be the same thing for the alligator. It would be horrible for us because that baby belonged to someone. We can relate to it.
In my younger years I was Vegan for 4 years. It was an interesting experience and I was pretty passionate. I don't really know what made me do the 180 into it and then right out. I wish people had to raise and kill their own food. I think things would be different. I see too many people that see a video of a slaughter and can't stop talking about how bad it is and then turn around and eat a burger. Slaughterhouses are just for convenience but nobody really knows where their food comes from. I'm not Vegan any more, I know everything that goes on. I just don't care.
The Holy Grail is absolutely amazing. I love that movie. Makes me want to go watch it right now.
PITBULLMAN 10-14-2005, 05:17 PM I think the bottom line is the sentimental value it has to the public and the person that owns it.
If a young kid had a pet rat i would feel bad feeding it to my snake. If a school had a mascot as a squirrel that has been feed by the public and lives at the local park, feeding it to a reptile would be bad morally I guess. if you do't own it, why do the honors of feeding it to something else?
Bourgeois 10-14-2005, 06:16 PM The actual eating of the rabbit is no big deal. The fact that they took it from someone else is. People get attached to things.
When I was younger I would sometimes want to play with the rats before we fed it to my snake. That was a mistake because then I would get attached to it and not want to feed it to my snake. So my dad would have to do it.
bimmer750 10-15-2005, 01:48 AM " We are the knight's who say, 'Nyik' "!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
1tripleO 10-15-2005, 04:56 AM that shit is pretty funny to me. wish i could have been there http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif
The actual eating of the rabbit is no big deal. The fact that they took it from someone else is. People get attached to things.
Thats the bottom line really your right. The actual eating of a rabbit is no big deal, thats life, its Nature, and Nature can be cruel. The fact that it wasn't theirs, and someone else was attached to the animal is where the cruelty starts. However I would imagine that the kids had no idea the Zoo keepers had grown attached to the animal. They probably just wanted to see the act, and thought it was kewl...but lets be honest, most people would find that act kewl, why else do nature photographers take pictures of a lion taking down a Zebra, or a Croc taking down a wildabeast. Its kewl to see.
I also agree with you on the fact more people need to know what goes into getting their food..I know, I hunt so believe me I know. So I maybe am not as "soft" as some others when it comes to animals. I've cleaned and seen Moose and Deer Butchered, and its the same thing as beef, if you do this, I don't think you will be so quick to say how cruel a slaughter house is. Its neccesary so we can all enjoy a nice steak on the BBQ, or go to that fast food restuarant and grab a #5 Deal.
I don't care about the rabbit actually being eaten ... it's the food chain, it's nature. Move on with your lives.
The only problem I have; the rabbit did not belong to those bratty ass kids that decided to throw it in. If it was their own, meh.
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