I'm not looking to get one right away, but in the near future I'd like to get a dog. I was leaning towards a presa canario, but I wasn't sure. Anyone had any experience with these dogs? I'm just looking for a dog that's a good companion. Although having a larger dog for security at home would be a benefit. I'm not a fan of little dogs. From what I understand, the presa is very loyal and can be very good with other dogs provided it's socialized well at a young age. One of the downsides is the cost, a domestic presa goes for around $1700 and a foreign go for $3000. I've heard that many breeders will x-ray the presa's to make sure they aren't prone to hip displasia (spelling?

A close second candidate would be a pit. Anyways, I'm still at least a couple months away....I need to get a new place first with a decent sized yard.

Some pics of the presa
http://www.sanderskennels.com/02-19-05%20065.jpg
http://www.sanderskennels.com/Working%20Misc%20Presa%20(7).jpg
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any comments on whether they'd make a good pet, or ideas for other dogs?

Can't help ya with any info on that breed....but damn that is one mean looking dog!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Good lookin bread too. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

That is a big fucking dog http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

If you want a big dog, bullmastiff. Or slightly smaller english bulldog.

bean thats an AWESOME looking dog!! I'm with you on liking larger breads rather than small yippy ones. If you have looked up the behavior of this dog and you like it...i'd say go for it. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

WTF is that thing? it looks like kujo. i'm not one to be scared of dogs but that thing just made me shit my pants!

not really a fan of dogs, but that thing looks awesome,

that is a muscular dog............if you get it, you should call him "deebo" http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gif

That f'ing dog could kick oldgixxer's ass in a heartbeat...http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif I would NEVER go into a yard with that thing lurking around, DAMN! Very fine speciman of the breed so if thats where you are planning on buying yours I would say its gonna be a good one. I am planning on getting a Bull Mastiff myself when I move to NC and get into a house. They can live outside year round to protect the property and of course I'll build it a phat ass huge dog house complete with an air conditioner for the summer and whatever he may need for the winter. (Dont like the way dogs smell and shed so no way is it living in the house)

If you want a big dog, bullmastiff. Or slightly smaller english bulldog.



Bulldogs are awesome. I want another French Bulldog, but cant afford it... ($3000)

I am planning on getting a Bull Mastiff myself when I move to NC and get into a house. They can live outside year round to protect the property and of course I'll build it a phat ass huge dog house complete with an air conditioner for the summer and whatever he may need for the winter. (Dont like the way dogs smell and shed so no way is it living in the house)




I thought you were just trying to get rid of a dog?? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif

Again, another illiterate dumbass...I said when I move and "get into a house" which will be probably after I get there. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif

Again, another illiterate dumbass...I said when I move and "get into a house" which will be probably after I get there. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/disappointed.gif




its funny how some people treat animals like cars....out with the old and in with the new

did you read the post about the dog I am trying to find a home for? doubt it. Do you suggest that I store her in a cupboard for a year until I buy a house? Instead I try to find a home for her so she can continue to lead a happy life and you assholes turn it into something negative. BTW, stop hyjacking threads. I was commenting on this post, if you have anything else to say go to the thread about my sons dog.

did you read the post about the dog I am trying to find a home for? doubt it. Do you suggest that I store her in a cupboard for a year until I buy a house? Instead I try to find a home for her so she can continue to lead a happy life and you assholes turn it into something negative. BTW, stop hyjacking threads. I was commenting on this post, if you have anything else to say go to the thread about my sons dog.





I just find it interesting how you are trying to get rid of a dog that you have had for 3 years and already have plans on what kind of dog you are getting next....thats all, dont get all psycho on me http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/werd.gif

I'm not looking to get one right away, but in the near future I'd like to get a dog. I was leaning towards a presa canario, but I wasn't sure. Anyone had any experience with these dogs? I'm just looking for a dog that's a good companion. Although having a larger dog for security at home would be a benefit. I'm not a fan of little dogs. From what I understand, the presa is very loyal and can be very good with other dogs provided it's socialized well at a young age. One of the downsides is the cost, a domestic presa goes for around $1700 and a foreign go for $3000. I've heard that many breeders will x-ray the presa's to make sure they aren't prone to hip displasia (spelling?

A close second candidate would be a pit. Anyways, I'm still at least a couple months away....I need to get a new place first with a decent sized yard.

any comments on whether they'd make a good pet, or ideas for other dogs?



Unless you plan on WORKING him I would not get him. Plus the price is a total joke unless you are showing him...Lets see I paid $180 for my rottie and 2 pits.

Plus "breeders will x-ray" is total BS. Just speaking from owning rotties and pits. Our last 2 rotties had ACL and Hip issues and the breeder had done this and that. X-rays do not mean anything.

i say go with am-staff

did you read the post about the dog I am trying to find a home for? doubt it. Do you suggest that I store her in a cupboard for a year until I buy a house? Instead I try to find a home for her so she can continue to lead a happy life and you assholes turn it into something negative. BTW, stop hyjacking threads. I was commenting on this post, if you have anything else to say go to the thread about my sons dog.





I just find it interesting how you are trying to get rid of a dog that you have had for 3 years and already have plans on what kind of dog you are getting next....thats all, dont get all psycho on me http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/werd.gif



She's not my dog, shes my sons, I have seen her 10 times maybe in 3 years so I am not attached to her. I am still just trying to do whats best for her and get her a new home.

get a pit, from 2 non pit fighters, treat it like a baby, itll be the most loya,lovablel non-violent dog ever.

get a pit, from 2 non pit fighters, treat it like a baby, itll be the most loya,lovablel non-violent dog ever.



I agree 100% My pits are the best dogs I have gotten. I wish the BSL was not graining strength....DAMN PEOPLE!

ive had a golden retriever and a syberian huskey, the pit has been the most wellmannered playfull dog since the golden retriever.

Labradors are THE best dogs in the whole world, dude! They have great dispositions, size, strength, intelligence, and stamina. Labs are perfect companion dogs with excellent senses (sight, auditory, olfactory) and make pretty good watch dogs. A lab has a great bark with lots of bass. Don't mess with aggressive animals. If you think owning a handgun is a big responsibility ie. headache, the liability of owning a vicious dog is huge. I had a Chow when I was younger. Well, she became aggressive at about 1 year of age. From then on she had to wear a muzzle whenever I took her to a public place. It sucked...

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This is my buddy's half wolf, half husky. He could no longer care for it so here it is living on his parents farm. This is his life, tied to a fucking tree. It's so unpredictable, only a few people can approach it. Oh, and he's bigger than he looks. This pic was taken about 50 yards away. It's a good 110+ lbs.

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Here's "The Big Dog", she has never been beaten. I would trust her with an infant. Unbelieveable temperment...

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif Poor wolf/dog

I saw a guy walking a "dog" on the beach loop here one day and I saw something about the muzzle...it seemed awefully elongated for a dog. So I asked, it was a half wolf/husky breed. It was absolutely breathtaking, it was huge and wild looking but as comfortable around people as any other dog. I was so happy the guy had rescued/adopted it.

+1 on the lab thing. I had one when I was like 8 or 9 and she was THE best, friendliest dog ever. On accident when she was eating one time my kitten went over to eat from the same bowl. The dog never even noticed her and you know how dogs chomp when they eat so he bit her head on accident. My dad had to borrow a friends gun and shoot the little kitten to put her out of her misery, she wouldnt have survived. She (the dog) was depressed for days and wouldnt even look us in the eye. How many dogs feel remorse like that for days? I felt worse for her then me.

See, dogs are stupid, no way the dog would not sense that another animal was by it's face. Simply by the sense of smell it would know.

Dont get the Persa. Too many hip promblems. Just because it doesnt show as a pup doesnt meant that it wont develop it later in life. A BIG pit bull should weight between 55-70lbs. Thats if you get a properly bred performance animal. Show stock will get into the 100lbs rage. The bigger the dog the bigger the piles of shit you gotta clean.

Why not get a nice mutt that nobody else wants? They'll be cheaper to own and cheaper to take care of (less genetic problems)

Notice I said performance bred animal not a SHOW dog.

Just rescue a dog man. Mutts are the best anyway. Paying 1700 bux for a dog is rediculous imo. Go to the pound, save a life, and save a ton of cash. I think the going rate is like 85 bux including all shots and spay or neuter. My buddy has a pit/doberman mix that he got when it was 6 weeks old and it's a big badass dog and he's cool as shit.

Whatever you decide good luck!

I have a Newfoundland, my second one. Love him to death. Wonderful with children and a great companion. Don't have any pics of "Bear" in front of me, but here's (http://www.newfoundlandpuppy.com/shane2.html) his sire.

I actually just got a yellow lab. He should be about 90 pounds fully grown. hes only 7 months right now and weighs about 70

Best dog in the world= English or American Mastiff
Males are typically 180-200 lbs.. They are extremely loyal, very protective, and great family dogs. I will never own a different breed.

I just got a great dane pup and I have read alot of good things about them. There giants too!
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The bigger the dog the bigger the piles of shit you gotta clean.



Yes but at least you can see them..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

+1 on at least being able to SEE the shit before you step in it, LOL! BTW, as far as Mastiff's, I know there are a few types but which in your opinion, Scout, is the best all around? I guess it would be as you said the American or Engligh but isnt there a Bull Mastiff as well. I imagine there isnt too much difference but I am very interested in getting one when I move and get into a house. I will be living alone w/ my son and want to have a HUGE dog living outside the house to protect us but it has to be a playful kind dog to me and my son. I have heard they are like that so that is one reason I am looking into them. Great Danes are the same way so they are also an option but they have a LOT less fur so I dont think that keeping them outside in the winter would be possible.

I always see people talking about dogs here and they always fail to mention Weimaraners. I have 2 and theyre the best. Only thing is that theyre really active and need lots of attention and training. But aside from that theyre just like labs except they have shorter hair and prettier eyes so when you take it to the park all the chicks are like what type of dog is that, "the dog at the end of this dick"!!!


sorry to all the ladies that read that last part. kinda buzzed.

didnt really make sense to me...is it one of those pointless things like "deez nuts!"?

+1 on at least being able to SEE the shit before you step in it, LOL! BTW, as far as Mastiff's, I know there are a few types but which in your opinion, Scout, is the best all around? I guess it would be as you said the American or Engligh but isnt there a Bull Mastiff as well. I imagine there isnt too much difference but I am very interested in getting one when I move and get into a house. I will be living alone w/ my son and want to have a HUGE dog living outside the house to protect us but it has to be a playful kind dog to me and my son. I have heard they are like that so that is one reason I am looking into them. Great Danes are the same way so they are also an option but they have a LOT less fur so I dont think that keeping them outside in the winter would be possible.


American Mastiffs are the best IMO. The breed is a cross between an English Mastiff and an Anatolian Shepard. The American Mastiff looks exactly like theEnglish, however, they do not drool nearly as bad. The breed was developed by a woman out of Ohio. Here is a link to her site. www.flyingwfarms.com (http://www.flyingwfarms.com) If you get one, you will never want another breed of dog, I guarantee it. I bought one from her 4 years ago. Mine is quite small, she is 130 pounds. My girlfriends mother has a male and he is so tall that he likes to lick all the pots on the stove while she is cooking. He is somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 lbs. Big boy!!!

i dont think id get a bigger dog than i have now hes too big as it is hes 100 and growing at a year old...the "bull" dogs are very good pets they are smart and playful and surprisingly gentle towards women and children. read up about them if you are skeptical you will be surprised. i was hesitant about the amstaff but i wouldnt trade him for the world..mastiff just tooo big for me though.abut the dog being in the house.. mine stays in the house except for playtime and such and hes great but he likes my shoes :x..he was completly housebroken after a two weeks..but iv never had a mastiff they are much bigger

I just got a great dane pup and I have read alot of good things about them. There giants too!
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We had two danes growing up (one after the other not at the same time). You're in for a treat! They're the greatest dogs! Unfortunately, a short life span, though. A 10 year old dane is very old.

Presas are great dogs, they can be dog aggressive so socialize early. The dog will be a companion and protect the home no question.

German Shepards, for me period. However, they need to be from a breeder that does working dogs, or has dogs with direct blodd lines to Germany, the americanized shepards that are bred for show are worthless inmo, males get maybe 75lbs mx, have inherently week hips for having the "slope" bred into them, the slope is supposed to be a result of how the dog stands not the physical structure. Breeders that do this to dogs should be shot.
rant off...
Anyhow , my GSD, Sadie, is 95lbs, very fit, her mother was 90lbs and her father was 130lbs, she is only the 2nd generation bred here. Not exactly cheap but worth every penny I paid.

However I would also recomend rescuing a dog, pick a breed there are tons of rescue orginizations out there, after our older dog Princess died last year, my wife wanted another huskie or huskie mix(I wanted another GSD, but the gsd rescue orginization in chicago is not very organized) so we got a hold of the huskie resuce and ended up with Bongo, they thought he was a year old last september he was 40lbs, well is he pushing 90lbs now. He is a bit quirky being a rescue but...we love 'em any way.
here is a pic of them actually behaving.
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this is more like how they ususally behave. We had to put a stop to a lot of their rough playing inside, almost 200lbs of dogs can get out of hand pretty fast,
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I've only gotten a chance to see a Presa once....a few months ago, when I got Deebo...

...at first glance I was amazed at how much steroids this Pitbull was being fed but was then told of the breed, which I have never heard of...

...real good dog, but HUGE...scary dog just because of its size and similarity to the pit.

I would go for it Bean....not too aften you see these dogs http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

not really a fan of dogs, but that thing looks awesome,

that is a muscular dog............if you get it, you should call him "deebo" http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gif



Hey Shittypants...theres only room for one Deebo on this board, and thats my Deebo...so go think of another name http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

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I just adopted a dog, the pound did not what he was and neither did I, just said he looks like some kind of shepherd.

This guy who lives in my complex saw him the other day and told me he was a Dutch Shepherd. I did some research on them and "Buddy" is a twin of most of the pics I found online. Seems like I might have gotten lucky. I have only had him 2 weeks but so far he kicks ass, great dog.

I would say atleast take a look at the shelter you never know.

Dont get the Persa. Too many hip promblems. Just because it doesnt show as a pup doesnt meant that it wont develop it later in life. A BIG pit bull should weight between 55-70lbs. Thats if you get a properly bred performance animal. Show stock will get into the 100lbs rage. The bigger the dog the bigger the piles of shit you gotta clean.



OK, lets get some facts straight.

Presa's and hip probs. Hmm. Too many? Most anby larger breed of dog will have more in their group than smaller dogs. Its already well known.

Larger dogs are more prone. That is why people tend to not buy dogs who have not been OFA cert. Why? The chnaces of you getting a screwed up one is AALOT higher.

It normally shows up around 2yrs. So if nothing has shown in 2yrs your probably good.

Next, what causes it?

Well that is easy. One is genetic. The second is the quality of food your feeding ,and 3 is the amount of vigorous exercise you are pushing the dog to do.

These 3 factors willk determine if you dog will or won't get it.


Now lets get into the Pit bull thing. Remember, you are doing MORE harm than good by spreading "rumors" you hear about. Its either you KNOW or you don't.

There are no such thing as "show" dogs in the pit world. That use oif term is to vague. Show to some is fighting, show to tohers is weight pull, show to tohers is conformation.

Your use of vocabulary is wrong.

In a CONFORMATION show a BIG pit bull is 50lbs. 55lbs and your LUCKY if you even get looked at by a judge.

Wieght pull is done by the weight class. Then you have larger dogs. But ALOT of the big giants being 60+lbs are not PURE pit blood. The have been crossed with Am Staffs where trhe Am staff guidlines accepts the larger dogs being up to 80lbs.

So get your fact straight. I hate it when people spread so much bullshit around. Froim bikes to the dogs I put alot of time and have over the yrs assisting with correct knowledge. If you don't know ask quyestions. Dont preach like ytou know.


Your "show stock" is actually what you call conrformation shows and your WRONG. They are FAR smaller than their weight pull couynter parts.

Get your facts straight. Are you talking about the American Pit BVUll Terirer? Or are you refering to something else?



As for the author of the thread. Do NOT get one unless you plan on working it. It is NOT a normal dog and i am severely tried of people who think :" if I raise it like this it'll be like this". That is wrong. This is the same type of dog that caused the wide spread ban across the usa on breed specific legislation when the dogs killed the former USA olympic champion. They mauled the adult to DEATH. Now if you financially stable enough to pay out a family for that, or have $1000's to spend on the training, FORGET IT.

You WILL have a lawsuit coming. Itsa gfoing to be that ONE time when you don't expect it. These dogs are VERY quarrelsome. He is NOT happy go lucky and friendly. He is extrememly AGGRESSIVE by nature. Socializing it alone is not even 1/4 the battle.

In the end you can have a great dog. But expect to spend up to $5000 in training.

You seem to be struggling for money as you can't pay for a dog as such. SO why not get something else? A Pit bULl is NOT going to behave the same as the presa. The pit is HUMANB FRIENDLY, the presa is not bred to LOVE people like pits. So it saeems to me like you are not after the dogs ability and substance, you just want a big scary looking dog. That's the bottom line. Get a mastiff, it gets big as hell, scares the shit out of people, doens't need alot of training, doesn't need alot of exercise.

Case closed.

German Shepards, for me period. However, they need to be from a breeder that does working dogs, or has dogs with direct blodd lines to Germany, the americanized shepards that are bred for show are worthless inmo, males get maybe 75lbs mx, have inherently week hips for having the "slope" bred into them, the slope is supposed to be a result of how the dog stands not the physical structure. Breeders that do this to dogs should be shot.
rant off...
Anyhow , my GSD, Sadie, is 95lbs, very fit, her mother was 90lbs and her father was 130lbs, she is only the 2nd generation bred here. Not exactly cheap but worth every penny I paid.
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agreed.

personally I would not buy a shephard a rottie a dobie or anything that is not from working lines and like you said where the imported stuff isn't far back and is ONLY bred for work. Less problems health and mentally.

Again the training is a must and is going to continue throuout its life.



hey man. I have an imported male here. And he's a HANDFULL. Actually 2 hadnfuls. He's good though. I really like him and he's MORE than enough. The only thing is the HOURS daily I must spend exeercising and training him. But I have done this and have many trainers that will hook me up when I start doing real bite work soon so I am not worried about the cost factor of training.

Here's my little guy. Little but he'll keep just about ANYBODY from my house or vehicle. The only thing is responsibility.

They can be the best dog you ever had or the biggest lawsuit. Its what your willing to put in risk and $ when determining what you choose.

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As for the thread author:

Bottom line dude is this. If you reeaaaaallly don't know what you want, and you just want something for intimidation factors ( let's not get something to be cool you know?) then ANY large dog will scare 97% of ALL burglars. Any large dog they don't want to mess with.

As for buying a high drive working imort you have to understand the drives. An occasional test on YOU by the dog is NOT uncommon esp the breed I have. And the dog will NOT be playing.

This is my last test by the dog I have now. I would trust a pit ANYDAY with kids, etc than him but for what I want him for, he's perfect. The brown scabbed area was a previous bite and the red is the new ones. But he's been fine since. Just have to accpet " getting pinched by the thorns while trimming rose bushes. But in the end your garden will be unique and look good with your assistance"

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That's why I got my first Newfoundland. They are large and intimidating to some people, but they are very loving dogs. When my girls were small, I felt completely comfortable that no one would bother them when they were with him. Totally opposite end of the spectrum from a lot of the larger dogs you are talking about.

Here's Brogan back in '97 with my daughters (Amanda in back and Mariah...well...all you can see of Mariah is her feet on top of Brogan...other two girls are friends.)

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Mariah last year with her new Newfie pup "Bear". He weighs 140 lbs. now.
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That's why I got my first Newfoundland. They are large and intimidating to some people, but they are very loving dogs. When my girls were small, I felt completely comfortable that no one would bother them when they were with him. Totally opposite end of the spectrum from a lot of the larger dogs you are talking about.




a little hairy for me but burshing wil solve that.

I remember this guy saying hes a meter guy robbing peope at thewre homes was arresting in San Diego years ago when he saw the newfoundland and begged for the owner to call the cops as long as the dog didn't kill him.

The dogs bark is like a lion. So I think it freaked him out not knowing that it was a SUPER gentle dog.

For a familydog, I'd grab one of those too.


A little large for me but the way this guy is talking he doesn't care about size...

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DAMN!!!!!!!!!! He is a monster.... Ddue, that woudl DEFINATELY keep a freaking burgalr FAR OUTSIDE your house.

The risk is to great for him. There are easier targets around for the thief....



Nice man.

Thanks Pitbullman. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Hey Juniorace...why is there a big black couch on top of the couch that's already there? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

OH WAI T THAT'S A FUCKING BEAST OF A DOG!!!! Are you sure that isn't a Chernobyl dog? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/trout.gif

i say go with am-staff



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Hey Juniorace...why is there a big black couch on top of the couch that's already there? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

OH WAI T THAT'S A FUCKING BEAST OF A DOG!!!! Are you sure that isn't a Chernobyl dog? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/trout.gif

HA. See the girl that has her arms on his back? She was afraid of dogs until she got around Brogan. He completely won her over.

LOL That dog could eat people/

LOL That dog could eat people/

No, but remember in Ghostbusters when they got "slimed". He was famous for that!

I just got a great dane pup and I have read alot of good things about them. There giants too!
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We had two danes growing up (one after the other not at the same time). You're in for a treat! They're the greatest dogs! Unfortunately, a short life span, though. A 10 year old dane is very old.




I read that about there life spans, like 7 years is average. I cant wait to bring her home. 3 more weeks http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/icon_rant.gif

[As for the author of the thread. Do NOT get one unless you plan on working it. It is NOT a normal dog and i am severely tried of people who think :" if I raise it like this it'll be like this". That is wrong. This is the same type of dog that caused the wide spread ban across the usa on breed specific legislation when the dogs killed the former USA olympic champion. They mauled the adult to DEATH. Now if you financially stable enough to pay out a family for that, or have $1000's to spend on the training, FORGET IT.

You WILL have a lawsuit coming. Itsa gfoing to be that ONE time when you don't expect it. These dogs are VERY quarrelsome. He is NOT happy go lucky and friendly. He is extrememly AGGRESSIVE by nature. Socializing it alone is not even 1/4 the battle.

In the end you can have a great dog. But expect to spend up to $5000 in training.

You seem to be struggling for money as you can't pay for a dog as such. SO why not get something else? A Pit bULl is NOT going to behave the same as the presa. The pit is HUMANB FRIENDLY, the presa is not bred to LOVE people like pits. So it saeems to me like you are not after the dogs ability and substance, you just want a big scary looking dog. That's the bottom line. Get a mastiff, it gets big as hell, scares the shit out of people, doens't need alot of training, doesn't need alot of exercise.

Case closed.




Whoa, whoa whoa....let's back up a second. I get the impression that you think I just want a big mean dog...which is incorrect. Like I stated from the begining, the main reason I want a dog is because I want a good companion. I'm not trying to buy a "big scary looking dog". My family has always owned (relatively) large dogs and I thought the presa was a beautiful looking dog. It's just personal preference. Every pet we've owned has been babied. My parent's current dog is a Chesapeake Bay Retriever....picked because they're loyal and swimmers (my parent's live on a lake). Here she is @ 102 lbs.

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/1525278_IMG_1.JPG

At my last apartment, my room mate and I wanted to buy a new dog (he previously owned a rot). We were looking at either a pit or an American Bulldog. The next day he found an ad in the paper in which a family was giving away a 1 year old boxer/American Bulldog mix named Winnie. They didn't have time to take care of her, so they gave her to us for free. That dog never had it so good. She'd even sleep at the foot of my bed 90% of the time. She's about 60lbs in the pics, but she quickly filled out to about 75lbs. When I moved out, he got to keep Winnie. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/img_0586.jpg
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/img_0635.jpg
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/img_0636.jpg

Anyway, fast forward to today. I've got 2 classes left after this semester and I go full time at my work when the semester ends (December). With the new income, I'm looking at getting a dog. Notice, I said in the future (I.E. months away). I would never invest in a pet that I couldn't properly care for. A friend of mine pointed out the presa and I thought it looked like a beautiful dog. I did a little bit of research and thought it mike make a good pet.

http://www.pets4you.com/presa.html


Presa Canario - The Presa Canario or Canary Dog, was historically a guardian and cattle driving dog. The breed originated on the Canary Islands, a group of Spanish volcanic islands that sits about 100 miles northwest of Africa. The Presa Canario was developed by crossing native dogs with Bulldogs and Mastiffs that were brought in from Britain during the 19th century. This cross-breeding resulted in a powerful, muscular, large-boned dog with a massive head. The even-tempered, intelligent and athletic Presa Canario has a short, smooth, coarse coat in fawn or brindle with a darker face mask. The Presa Canario is quiet in the home, loyal to its family, wary of strangers and protective of its property. Like many guardian breeds, the Presa Canario requires early training and plenty of socialization.



Based on that description, I thought it might be a wise idea to inquire more about the breed. Which is what I did by posting here. I do not want a dog that I have to worry about mauling someone. However, based solely on that info then you would be saying that a pit would also be a poor choice for a pet as there a number of pit maulings yearly also. However, that's not the point as I do believe that pits can make great pets. And ff you say that the dog is not safe, then I believe you. That's all you had say. However, you seem to have gotten on your soap box when all I did was ask a question. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif

[As for the author of the thread. Do NOT get one unless you plan on working it. It is NOT a normal dog and i am severely tried of people who think :" if I raise it like this it'll be like this". That is wrong. This is the same type of dog that caused the wide spread ban across the usa on breed specific legislation when the dogs killed the former USA olympic champion. They mauled the adult to DEATH. Now if you financially stable enough to pay out a family for that, or have $1000's to spend on the training, FORGET IT.

You WILL have a lawsuit coming. Itsa gfoing to be that ONE time when you don't expect it. These dogs are VERY quarrelsome. He is NOT happy go lucky and friendly. He is extrememly AGGRESSIVE by nature. Socializing it alone is not even 1/4 the battle.

In the end you can have a great dog. But expect to spend up to $5000 in training.

You seem to be struggling for money as you can't pay for a dog as such. SO why not get something else? A Pit bULl is NOT going to behave the same as the presa. The pit is HUMANB FRIENDLY, the presa is not bred to LOVE people like pits. So it saeems to me like you are not after the dogs ability and substance, you just want a big scary looking dog. That's the bottom line. Get a mastiff, it gets big as hell, scares the shit out of people, doens't need alot of training, doesn't need alot of exercise.

Case closed.




Whoa, whoa whoa....let's back up a second. I get the impression that you think I just want a big mean dog...which is incorrect. Like I stated from the begining, the main reason I want a dog is because I want a good companion. I'm not trying to buy a "big scary looking dog". My family has always owned (relatively) large dogs and I thought the presa was a beautiful looking dog. It's just personal preference. Every pet we've owned has been babied. My parent's current dog is a Chesapeake Bay Retriever....picked because they're loyal and swimmers (my parent's live on a lake). Here she is @ 102 lbs.

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/1525278_IMG_1.JPG

At my last apartment, my room mate and I wanted to buy a new dog (he previously owned a rot). We were looking at either a pit or an American Bulldog. The next day he found an ad in the paper in which a family was giving away a 1 year old boxer/American Bulldog mix named Winnie. They didn't have time to take care of her, so they gave her to us for free. That dog never had it so good. She'd even sleep at the foot of my bed 90% of the time. She's about 60lbs in the pics, but she quickly filled out to about 75lbs. When I moved out, he got to keep Winnie. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/img_0586.jpg
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/img_0635.jpg
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/img_0636.jpg

Anyway, fast forward to today. I've got 2 classes left after this semester and I go full time at my work when the semester ends (December). With the new income, I'm looking at getting a dog. Notice, I said in the future (I.E. months away). I would never invest in a pet that I couldn't properly care for. A friend of mine pointed out the presa and I thought it looked like a beautiful dog. I did a little bit of research and thought it mike make a good pet.

http://www.pets4you.com/presa.html


Presa Canario - The Presa Canario or Canary Dog, was historically a guardian and cattle driving dog. The breed originated on the Canary Islands, a group of Spanish volcanic islands that sits about 100 miles northwest of Africa. The Presa Canario was developed by crossing native dogs with Bulldogs and Mastiffs that were brought in from Britain during the 19th century. This cross-breeding resulted in a powerful, muscular, large-boned dog with a massive head. The even-tempered, intelligent and athletic Presa Canario has a short, smooth, coarse coat in fawn or brindle with a darker face mask. The Presa Canario is quiet in the home, loyal to its family, wary of strangers and protective of its property. Like many guardian breeds, the Presa Canario requires early training and plenty of socialization.



Based on that description, I thought it might be a wise idea to inquire more about the breed. Which is what I did by posting here. I do not want a dog that I have to worry about mauling someone. However, based solely on that info then you would be saying that a pit would also be a poor choice for a pet as there a number of pit maulings yearly also. However, that's not the point as I do believe that pits can make great pets. And ff you say that the dog is not safe, then I believe you. That's all you had say. However, you seem to have gotten on your soap box when all I did was ask a question. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif





haha, calm down buddy. I just come across harsh but not really meaning to be so. I have to go now and I'll fill you in with a few more details....

Pit would be the way to go. The ultimate family companion. I'll explain why I would never buy a staff later when I get home....

LATER

presa's are no joke. just know what you're getting into:huge shits, huge appetities, if you have neighbors or friends with kids it'll be nervracking for you and the kids...i'll post some other pics of some presa's...:
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/presacanario0007.jpg
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/Presa3.jpg
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/Presa_Beauty.jpg

haha, calm down buddy. I just come across harsh but not really meaning to be so. I have to go now and I'll fill you in with a few more details....

Pit would be the way to go. The ultimate family companion. I'll explain why I would never buy a staff later when I get home....

LATER



sorry, I went off on a tangent there... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/huhwtf0.jpg


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If you want a super loyal, smart, intimidating breed, get an Akita. They are very clean (my old boy shit in one spot in the yard--trained himself). They have great personalities and get pretty big if you get the American standard of the breed. In Japan, they are a symbol of loyalty and are used for babysitting (people know better than to mess with kids in a yard that have an Akita. They were originally bred for hunting bears and used as fighting dogs (they have a locking jaw like a pit). Here is a pic of our old boy Kuma (had to be put down because of bloat):
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/Kuma_3.jpg

Here's a pic of the new guy I picked up 3 weeks ago. He's now 11 weeks old and weighs 35 pounds. His name is Zooki Gixxer

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/gixxer11.jpg

Here is his father at 135 lbs:

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/BrewBIS0.jpg
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/Brewsnow4.jpg

Akitas are loving loyal smart and have great personalities. They also don't bark unless absolutely necessary and it is very deep and scary sounding. If you want more info or a good breeder, PM me.

Baldy

If you want a super loyal, smart, intimidating breed, get an Akita. They are very clean (my old boy shit in one spot in the yard--trained himself). They have great personalities and get pretty big if you get the American standard of the breed. In Japan, they are a symbol of loyalty and are used for babysitting (people know better than to mess with kids in a yard that have an Akita. They were originally bred for hunting bears and used as fighting dogs (they have a locking jaw like a pit). Here is a pic of our old boy Kuma (had to be put down because of bloat):
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/Kuma_3.jpg

Here's a pic of the new guy I picked up 3 weeks ago. He's now 11 weeks old and weighs 35 pounds. His name is Zooki Gixxer


Here is his father at 135 lbs:

Akitas are loving loyal smart and have great personalities. They also don't bark unless absolutely necessary and it is very deep and scary sounding. If you want more info or a good breeder, PM me.

Baldy




OK, my 2c.....




Akita. Hmmm. Sorry NOT a family dog. NOT a beginner dog either. They are EXTREMEMLY aggresive and MUST be socialized to an extra degree than say your chesapeake bay retirever.

Yes, they were bred for hunting and dog fighting. So does its history and lineage compboine for a happy go lucky " beat on me" type of dog? Not in the least they WILL, without training not hesitate to bite someone that IT feels a threat. I mean NOT IN THE LEAST BIT. Sometimes excessive.

What you have to do with them is watch the living hell with it around strangers in your house.

You can't leave little johnny and the akita running loose in the house with the neighborhood kids. Sorry, not happening. Not that trustworthy. With your fmaily, yes, with others not in the househjold, no.

They are, if socialized, are reserved. Meaning, even though I am a stranger, that dog will not want much to do witrh me. He'll be watching the living hell out of me.

Its their nature.

Next, the HAIR factor. Too much, groom, brushing, etc. If you don't mind brushing daily and at the VERY LEAST every 4 days other wise your house will be a dander factory.

Hmm, Akitas. They are nice looking. In fact I personally would take one of them over a malamute ANYDAY, BUT. BUT BUT. They are VERY stubburn. They need a VERY firm hand. They are NOT very useful. Keep the negatives in mind as well bro.

Ask yourself, why don't the worlds forces from police all the way down to militray use Akitas? They have not the mental capacity nor the abiliuty to control its aggresion once in the "mode"......

I say , NAY, in caps, for the breed unless you are planning on having a dog that does what it wants as it has that stubburn streak, and is HIGHLY aggressive. Forget what they say, those dogs are like chows. Bred from the Orient, bred for fighting, but chows were bred for guarding junk yrads and Akitas were bred to hunt. Size factor, not intellegence.


I say, with a family, being married, etc, NO. For me, that is a different story. ahhaha.

Me working with him at the military training academy, could NEVER expect that dog to EVER do very well at ANYTHING. If he is great being aggresive he'd have problems letting go when told, when you tell him to sit and stay for 30min, he'dget up and walk away... USeless dog to me. Not my cup of tea. Too stubburn, not recepotive enough.


As for the locking jaw. Sorry but that is a damn myth and I HATE how people keep spreading bullshit.

Listen. My job is to work side by side with Veterinarian students and professors until my ass gets my doctirtes in Vet Med. I work cattle, horses, pigs, llamas, etc EVERYDAY. and do my dog training on the side for fun as with my reptiles, amphibians, my freeshwater tank and my salt water species in my aqwuariums.

This is just one of those weird things that people seem to be born good at asnd accel faster than someone who is not as passionate.

Anyhow, there is NO evdience that a pit bull or an "Akita", or a chow, or an Argewntino dogo, or a Presa, or a rottie, or a ANYTHING has A LOCKING JAW. That is the most utter bullshit i have ever heard. In fact you cauysed mne to laugh and drop my beer which my dog so quickly lapped what he could before I cleaned the mess.

Listen. Not jumping on you, I hear it ALLLLLL the time.

The musculature in a pit bulls mandibular processes are no different than ANY canine or even FELINE species for that matter.

What it comes down to is this. The structure may be a tad different but the same muscles are present. Its like the body builder versus the marathon runner. Both have the same same pectoralis major and minor. But one genetically is more porominent whereas the marithion runners is alot less developed.

Do you see what I am saying?

Bottom line is they all have the same muscles. NO LOCKING MECHANISMS!!!! Its an animal, not a door....

Its just the ability to want to hold on. Its like me being 6'3 275 solid not overweight (8%body fat), and a softball chick ( mm mmmm, I love a thick athletic chick.)

anyhow, she is built and is not your normal anorexic sxtarving girl. She grabs on an apple and squeezes. She bruises it. But take me. I am born without training to be a thick guy. Don't ask me why or how. I was just bron like this. I can grab an apple like its an egg. Grab it in my hand and bust'em like nothing. She can't. Why? Its not that we have different muscles, its that mine are more apt and buil;t for the job at hand....


Ya dig?



Well, this is getting long.

beanfield, I haven't forgot buddy. I was dead tired but saw this and had to get to typing.

I'll get to your tomorrow man. Thanks for your patience.....


Before I get posting, I need to ask you a few questions.



1. What is the max, and min weights you would like? ( consider food, poop, threatening factor, l;awsuit factor, etc)

2. Why do you want a large dog?

3. How much time do you have to work witrh the dog? How much time do you have to work with a trainer who is a professional in protection work (sorry to them but the HELL WITH PETSMART trainers, they don't know SHIT. You read a 50pg book and take a 15question test and you are NOW a certified trainer there, don't get me started)

4. Will money be an issue for training since you on';t have experidnce in intense ovbedience?

5. If only I would get $1 for every person I help the best way I can, how rich would I be? I think I'd own the world.

Any questions you have to ask post them. The ones you posted to me will be posted at your request and will answer them one by one..

anyhow, she is built and is not your normal anorexic sxtarving girl. She grabs on an apple and squeezes. She bruises it. But take me. I am born without training to be a thick guy. Don't ask me why or how. I was just bron like this. I can grab an apple like its an egg. Grab it in my hand and bust'em like nothing. She can't. Why? Its not that we have different muscles, its that mine are more apt and buil;t for the job at hand....




Not to mention that as a guy, you regularly condition those muscles by beating your meat like it owes you money http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rotflol.gif

Hey, Pitbull, that was a pretty good post there. I was claiming http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bs.gifon the locking jaw thing, too.

Akitas are not for beginners, they can be stubborn and require some work while they are growing up. I'm on my second one and he is very similar to my first one. Neither of them barked until provoked, were very calm, not flighty, very courageous, loyal, aggressive toward other dogs, leery of strangers and both of them were house trained in what seemed like over night. My yard is 130 feet by 60 feet and they both went to the bathroom in the same little 10x10 foot corner of the yard, no where else. A large secured fenced in yard is a must for Akitas or they will attack any other dog they see strolling to close to their property. As far as the hair goes, they will need a lot of brushing when they are blowing out their puppy coat. You will also need to brush them every few days for about a month when they start to shed at the beginning of each summer, after that they only need brushed once every week or two.
They can be trusted alone with kids of your family but I would never leave one alone with a kid from down the street. They are very strong and can do a lot of damage, my first one killed a pitbull that was released by a wannabe gangster who thought it would be a good idea to see if Akitas could fight.
Also, Akitas do not have lock jaw, no dogs have lock jaw. Some can just bite harder and longer than others, just like some dogs can run faster and jump higher than other dogs. I was walking my first Akita one day and some guy asked me "Does that dog got lock jaw?" sort of like you might ask someone about a factory option on a car they bought, it was funny.

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/CIMG0141.JPG
Puma, about 3 months old

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/DSCF00023.JPG
About a year

If you want a super loyal, smart, intimidating breed, get an Akita. They are very clean (my old boy shit in one spot in the yard--trained himself). They have great personalities and get pretty big if you get the American standard of the breed. In Japan, they are a symbol of loyalty and are used for babysitting (people know better than to mess with kids in a yard that have an Akita. They were originally bred for hunting bears and used as fighting dogs (they have a locking jaw like a pit). Here is a pic of our old boy Kuma (had to be put down because of bloat):
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/Kuma_3.jpg

Here's a pic of the new guy I picked up 3 weeks ago. He's now 11 weeks old and weighs 35 pounds. His name is Zooki Gixxer


Here is his father at 135 lbs:

Akitas are loving loyal smart and have great personalities. They also don't bark unless absolutely necessary and it is very deep and scary sounding. If you want more info or a good breeder, PM me.

Baldy




OK, my 2c.....




Akita. Hmmm. Sorry NOT a family dog. NOT a beginner dog either. They are EXTREMEMLY aggresive and MUST be socialized to an extra degree than say your chesapeake bay retirever.

Yes, they were bred for hunting and dog fighting. So does its history and lineage compboine for a happy go lucky " beat on me" type of dog? Not in the least they WILL, without training not hesitate to bite someone that IT feels a threat. I mean NOT IN THE LEAST BIT. Sometimes excessive.

What you have to do with them is watch the living hell with it around strangers in your house.

You can't leave little johnny and the akita running loose in the house with the neighborhood kids. Sorry, not happening. Not that trustworthy. With your fmaily, yes, with others not in the househjold, no.

They are, if socialized, are reserved. Meaning, even though I am a stranger, that dog will not want much to do witrh me. He'll be watching the living hell out of me.

Its their nature.

Next, the HAIR factor. Too much, groom, brushing, etc. If you don't mind brushing daily and at the VERY LEAST every 4 days other wise your house will be a dander factory.

Hmm, Akitas. They are nice looking. In fact I personally would take one of them over a malamute ANYDAY, BUT. BUT BUT. They are VERY stubburn. They need a VERY firm hand. They are NOT very useful. Keep the negatives in mind as well bro.

Ask yourself, why don't the worlds forces from police all the way down to militray use Akitas? They have not the mental capacity nor the abiliuty to control its aggresion once in the "mode"......

I say , NAY, in caps, for the breed unless you are planning on having a dog that does what it wants as it has that stubburn streak, and is HIGHLY aggressive. Forget what they say, those dogs are like chows. Bred from the Orient, bred for fighting, but chows were bred for guarding junk yrads and Akitas were bred to hunt. Size factor, not intellegence.


I say, with a family, being married, etc, NO. For me, that is a different story. ahhaha.

Me working with him at the military training academy, could NEVER expect that dog to EVER do very well at ANYTHING. If he is great being aggresive he'd have problems letting go when told, when you tell him to sit and stay for 30min, he'dget up and walk away... USeless dog to me. Not my cup of tea. Too stubburn, not recepotive enough.


As for the locking jaw. Sorry but that is a damn myth and I HATE how people keep spreading bullshit.

Listen. My job is to work side by side with Veterinarian students and professors until my ass gets my doctirtes in Vet Med. I work cattle, horses, pigs, llamas, etc EVERYDAY. and do my dog training on the side for fun as with my reptiles, amphibians, my freeshwater tank and my salt water species in my aqwuariums.

This is just one of those weird things that people seem to be born good at asnd accel faster than someone who is not as passionate.

Anyhow, there is NO evdience that a pit bull or an "Akita", or a chow, or an Argewntino dogo, or a Presa, or a rottie, or a ANYTHING has A LOCKING JAW. That is the most utter bullshit i have ever heard. In fact you cauysed mne to laugh and drop my beer which my dog so quickly lapped what he could before I cleaned the mess.

Listen. Not jumping on you, I hear it ALLLLLL the time.

The musculature in a pit bulls mandibular processes are no different than ANY canine or even FELINE species for that matter.

What it comes down to is this. The structure may be a tad different but the same muscles are present. Its like the body builder versus the marathon runner. Both have the same same pectoralis major and minor. But one genetically is more porominent whereas the marithion runners is alot less developed.

Do you see what I am saying?

Bottom line is they all have the same muscles. NO LOCKING MECHANISMS!!!! Its an animal, not a door....

Its just the ability to want to hold on. Its like me being 6'3 275 solid not overweight (8%body fat), and a softball chick ( mm mmmm, I love a thick athletic chick.)

anyhow, she is built and is not your normal anorexic sxtarving girl. She grabs on an apple and squeezes. She bruises it. But take me. I am born without training to be a thick guy. Don't ask me why or how. I was just bron like this. I can grab an apple like its an egg. Grab it in my hand and bust'em like nothing. She can't. Why? Its not that we have different muscles, its that mine are more apt and buil;t for the job at hand....


Ya dig?



Well, this is getting long.

beanfield, I haven't forgot buddy. I was dead tired but saw this and had to get to typing.

I'll get to your tomorrow man. Thanks for your patience.....


Before I get posting, I need to ask you a few questions.



1. What is the max, and min weights you would like? ( consider food, poop, threatening factor, l;awsuit factor, etc)

2. Why do you want a large dog?

3. How much time do you have to work witrh the dog? How much time do you have to work with a trainer who is a professional in protection work (sorry to them but the HELL WITH PETSMART trainers, they don't know SHIT. You read a 50pg book and take a 15question test and you are NOW a certified trainer there, don't get me started)

4. Will money be an issue for training since you on';t have experidnce in intense ovbedience?

5. If only I would get $1 for every person I help the best way I can, how rich would I be? I think I'd own the world.

Any questions you have to ask post them. The ones you posted to me will be posted at your request and will answer them one by one..




I should have known better than to write "locking jaw". I know better than that, my bad. I agree that an Akita can be stubborn and agressive but I wouldn't necessarily say super agressive as long as they are properly trained and raised. I also disagree that they aren't good for anything--once again it comes down to training and raising. Do they need lots of attention when young? yes--tons. Are they aloof or stubborn at times? yes--but all of those things can be overcome with proper raising and training. My old akita used to and my new akita currently plays with my neices (6 of them under the age of 6) when they visit and they have never been bitten or had any other incidents to note. They both have wagged their tales and licked the kids to death. The same for strangers. My old boy was reserved when someone first came in to see if they belonged but after they saw me with them and knew they were accepted, he would bug them to death to get petted. Same with the neighborhood kids.

They are other animal agressive but I am currently trying to socialize and train my boy to not be so.

I am probably not even half of the trainer that Pitbull man is but these are my experiences with Akitas-----I love them and they are great family dogs (for my family at least)

Baldy

1. What is the max, and min weights you would like? ( consider food, poop, threatening factor, l;awsuit factor, etc)



after doing a bit more consideration
min 50 lbs
max 90lbs


2. Why do you want a large dog?

I don't care much for small dogs. Especially the yappy ones. It's just a personal preference. I think larger dogs have better personalities and a better temperment. Also, I go down to the lake of the ozarks a lot. Any dog I would get would have to be big enough to get in and out of the water using a ramp on our dock. It would also need to be big enough to go up and down large flights of stairs without any problems. It would also be nice if it was big enough to play with my parents' chesey or any of my freinds dogs....all of them are about 60 lbs or larger.


3. How much time do you have to work witrh the dog? How much time do you have to work with a trainer who is a professional in protection work (sorry to them but the HELL WITH PETSMART trainers, they don't know SHIT. You read a 50pg book and take a 15question test and you are NOW a certified trainer there, don't get me started)

After I go start working full time this winter, I could probably do about 1 1/2 hours daily during the week to work with a trainer and my weekends would be mostly open.


4. Will money be an issue for training since you on';t have experidnce in intense ovbedience?



somewhat....I will be on a salary and making a decent amount of money, but it won't be growing on trees.


5. If only I would get $1 for every person I help the best way I can, how rich would I be? I think I'd own the world.



I'll send ya a buck if/when I get a dog. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Any questions you have to ask post them. The ones you posted to me will be posted at your request and will answer them one by one..



Would it be possible to socialize a pit bull with my parent's chesey? Also, do pits do well in the water? Do they have any issues with long car rides, about 2-3 hours (my parent's chesey would always get sick and throw up)? Also, how big of a house and back yard would a pit need? I was toying with the idea of getting a dog now for my apartment, but I think I'm just going to wait until this spring/summer. I plan on renting a house with a back yard and a fence. Would it be a good idea to put in a doggie door either for a garage or my house so that the dog isn't cooped up inside all day? If I can provide the ideal living environment for a pit, would it be a good idea to get two pits of different sexes so they don't get lonely ( I do plan on getting any dog(s) I own fixed unless there's a good reason not to)? Lastly, are there any health reasons for cropping a pit's ears, or is it purely asthetics?

thanks again for your help...I want to make sure whatever pet I plan on leads a long, healthly, happy life.

i had an akita as my first dog... i was prob around 6 or 7 y.o.... had it for a few mos, good but very energetic dog. one day i was petting it as it was eating and it damn near took my whole thumb off... aggressive dog to say the least